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    More: Followup, Epidemiology, Bone, Milk, Osteoporosis, Geriatrics, Relative risk reduction, Randomized controlled trial, Bone fracture  
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2021-10-21 12:06:01 PM  
As a lifetime milk drinker this sounds like good news to me. There's been a lot of negative stories about milk lately.
 
2021-10-21 1:04:10 PM  
No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?
 
2021-10-21 1:07:13 PM  
"among older care home residents... Extra daily milk, yoghurt, and cheese led to a 33% lower risk of all fractures"

In other news, over the course of the study, 33% of old care home residents died.
 
2021-10-21 1:18:18 PM  

gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?


The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"
 
2021-10-21 1:29:52 PM  

Randrew: "Got Teeth? Eat some damn proper food!"


Some cheese then?
 
2021-10-21 1:55:59 PM  

Randrew: gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?

The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"


And do you know why some of us can digest lactose after infancy?  It worked well enough to be selected for by evolution.
 
2021-10-21 2:17:49 PM  

stamped human bacon: Randrew: "Got Teeth? Eat some damn proper food!"

Some cheese then?


Ha, I was snacking on Fritos and Rico's nacho cheese sauce while typing my missive.  If you're patient and salivating enough, there's no need for teeth ;)
 
2021-10-21 2:43:50 PM  
I made a decision to take these with my multivitamin, even though they are more aimed at old women as opposed to almost-old men.  I do eat a fair amount of cheese and even drink milk from time to time, but I figure a little Calcium (and Vitamin D) more can't hurt.

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2021-10-21 3:08:18 PM  

Randrew: gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?

The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"


My point was not that they needed dairy, but that eating something that provides a nutrient their diet currently seems to lack produces beneficial results.  They can get calcium, vitamin D, and the rest of them anywhere they can.
 
2021-10-21 5:05:44 PM  

gnosis301: Randrew: gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?

The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"

My point was not that they needed dairy, but that eating something that provides a nutrient their diet currently seems to lack produces beneficial results.  They can get calcium, vitamin D, and the rest of them anywhere they can.


I agree, but I've read enough of history and biology to suspect that most new studies like this get funding from sources with "special interest" in the topic.  I really do like yogurt and well aged cheeses and my digestive system tolerates them reasonably well.  In fact my gut has more trouble with refined starches (bread, noodles).  I don't have much use for straight milk, though.

For aged people, I doubt milk has anything they can't get elsewhere.  Vitamin D in milk isn't natural anyway - it's been added in since some time in the '30s to lessen widespread D deficiency causing rickets.  If you can add vitamin D to milk and be good, you can add it straight to your gullet and be good.  Calcium is naturally available in many foods, though you (or your dietitian) may have to seek them out specifically.
 
2021-10-21 5:12:28 PM  
The problem of bone density loss in aging humans is also evolution...  as in, once you've past basic child-bearing and child-rearing age, Nature juss don' care no mo.  Very little selection pressure for strong bones in old age.
 
2021-10-21 5:41:06 PM  

Randrew: The problem of bone density loss in aging humans is also evolution...  as in, once you've past basic child-bearing and child-rearing age, Nature juss don' care no mo.  Very little selection pressure for strong bones in old age.


There is a grandparent effect on survival rates.  You can be too old to hunt or gather and still be able to take care of kids while their parents do the more physically demanding stuff.  And there's the boost to generational knowledge transmission pre-literacy when having someone around longer gave them more time to teach their kids and grandkids.

Hell, some of that still applies today even though we have books and such.  I know my wife and I enjoyed some help from our parents when we had little kids running around.
 
2021-10-21 6:26:53 PM  

Randrew: The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.
That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.
"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"
Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.
"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"


But that is hard.

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2021-10-21 6:40:26 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Randrew: The problem of bone density loss in aging humans is also evolution...  as in, once you've past basic child-bearing and child-rearing age, Nature juss don' care no mo.  Very little selection pressure for strong bones in old age.

There is a grandparent effect on survival rates.  You can be too old to hunt or gather and still be able to take care of kids while their parents do the more physically demanding stuff.  And there's the boost to generational knowledge transmission pre-literacy when having someone around longer gave them more time to teach their kids and grandkids.

Hell, some of that still applies today even though we have books and such.  I know my wife and I enjoyed some help from our parents when we had little kids running around.


True enough, but selection doesn't seem to have been strong in that direction.

However, true evolution mostly happens so slowly that (a) we don't really know what selection brought us to our current biology and (b) current medical/health technology may be skewing Selection pressures such that the old idea of "Natural" may no longer go with it.
 
2021-10-21 9:41:00 PM  
We've already been warned what happens when you don't drink your milk.

My only regret is.. That I have.. Boneitis
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2021-10-21 9:43:15 PM  

stamped human bacon: Randrew: "Got Teeth? Eat some damn proper food!"

Some cheese then?


A block of cheese is a loaf of milk.
 
2021-10-22 3:36:31 AM  
"Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy."

We're also the only ones to write literature and go to the Moon.
 
2021-10-22 3:55:41 AM  

Randrew: gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?

The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"


Honestly that bolded sentence could end with anything.

Chocolate
Granola bars
Corn
Broccoli
Beer
Kombucha
Rice
Mouldy cheese
 
2021-10-22 5:37:28 AM  

Randrew: Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.


Do you think that might be because we're the only ones smart enough to obtain it ourselves? My adult cat would drink all the milk he could get if I gave it to him. We're the only mammals who do lots of things, that doesn't mean we should stop doing them. "Humans are the only mammals who get vaccinations!"
 
2021-10-22 1:27:50 PM  

Skyfrog: Randrew: Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.

Do you think that might be because we're the only ones smart enough to obtain it ourselves? My adult cat would drink all the milk he could get if I gave it to him. We're the only mammals who do lots of things, that doesn't mean we should stop doing them. "Humans are the only mammals who get vaccinations!"


Sorry if it felt like I was dissing your dairy fetish, but I was just commenting on the biological innecessity of milk products for adults in general.  Those who push dairy as a lifestyle the hardest usually have a financial interest in your consumption.

I don't doubt that calcium and (added) vitamin D are good for old folks' bones and muscles. I also don't doubt that cheese, yogurt and ice cream are yummy treats.  I do doubt that dairy is the only or most efficient way for to get the health benefits.
 
2021-10-22 1:30:46 PM  

dyhchong: Randrew: gnosis301: No shiat?  Getting nutrients helps your body?

The general health topic of what we ingest is not really a "no shiat?" one.  And the diary consumption topic is even less clear.

That famous "Got Milk?" campaign of the near past?   That was a government + industry funded effort specifically designed to improve the financial prospects of dairy producers.

"Milk.  It does someone elses pocketbook good!"

Humans are freak outliers in the mammal world for consuming milk past infancy.  A majority of adult humans (globally) don't even have enzymes needed to digest lactose.  Because Nature figured once you got teeth, you no longer need that inefficient food source.

"Got Teeth?  Eat some damn proper food!"

Honestly that bolded sentence could end with anything.

Chocolate
Granola bars
Corn
Broccoli
Beer
Kombucha
Rice
Mouldy cheese


Not the same and you know it.  But obviously I've tickled some lactophilia nerves here so I'll just step back now and let you guys whip up the cream in your jeans.
 
2021-10-22 3:23:38 PM  
You don't see many old, healthy, vegans.

No, that one example is not statistically significant. 10,000 examples would be starting to get there.
 
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