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(Ars Technica)   Before the new 'Dune' movie comes out, let's have a look back at the 1984 David Lynch glorious trainwreck of an original   (arstechnica.com) divider line
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2021-10-21 9:25:14 AM  
The only redeeming quality of this movie is the scene with the Guild Navigator visiting the Emperor.
 
2021-10-21 9:28:26 AM  
I have a deep and abiding love for Lynch's version. I don't care what anyone else thinks. The production design (those sets!) alone is worth the price of admission.
 
2021-10-21 9:29:22 AM  
I've just watched the Spice Diver recut. It's still a mess as a movie, with huge plot points just skipped over in narration/montage, but it actually makes sense and is coherent. I understand the plot. I get to enjoy the production design.
 
2021-10-21 9:38:17 AM  
I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.
 
2021-10-21 9:38:50 AM  
I love the Lynch version, always have. It was the ultimate "catch it on the SciFi Network at 1AM and stay up til 3AM watching it" movie. It encompasses the entire first book succinctly and looks good doing it; the ruddiness and lack of futuristic tech gives it a feel of a timeline that's been worn smooth of sharp edges, an analog future where tech is uncomplicated and effective.
 
2021-10-21 9:39:25 AM  

Great_Milenko: The only redeeming quality of this movie is the scene with the Guild Navigator visiting the Emperor.


So I assume you stopped watching before the scene with Sting in a Speedo?
 
2021-10-21 9:40:21 AM  
"Glorious trainwreck" is accurate. I confess I love this movie. A group of high school friends and I saw it in the theater when it came out. We left the theater kinda bewildered by weirding modules and Lynchian weirdness, but overall it was fun. It's one of those movies I have to watch if I run across it while flipping channels.
 
2021-10-21 9:42:43 AM  

FlashHarry: The production design (those sets!) alone is worth the price of admission.


The look of the film is primarily due to the fact that they extensively consulted with Herbert during pre-production on sets, costumes and the like.

It's why the Bene Gesserit look like this

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instead of this

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2021-10-21 9:44:22 AM  

log_jammin: I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.


I can't get over the idea that it's the far future. But because of personal shields, all fighting must be done with a knife, moving slowly.

Or did I just not understand that part of the book.
 
2021-10-21 9:47:50 AM  
I saw it in the theater. Even being a fan of the book, I couldn't tell what was going on half the time.
 
2021-10-21 9:53:24 AM  
I saw it in a theater on it's first run, where you got a handout that tried to explain the back story. And I had read the book only 10 years earlier. I mostly hated the costumes, how the Harkonnens were portrayed, and the climax scene with Alia giving her "Kwisatz Haderach" reveal. The wierding modules were a big WTF and the rest of the movie was just OK.
 
2021-10-21 9:55:52 AM  

Snapper Carr: FlashHarry: The production design (those sets!) alone is worth the price of admission.

The look of the film is primarily due to the fact that they extensively consulted with Herbert during pre-production on sets, costumes and the like.

It's why the Bene Gesserit look like this

[media.agonybooth.com image 481x260]

instead of this

[duneinfo.com image 600x364]


So you're saying boldness, weirding modules, etc are based on original notes?
 
2021-10-21 9:56:27 AM  
I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage
 
2021-10-21 9:58:54 AM  
My Dad and I, and 3 of my buddies went to see that movie on opening day.  We were all huuuuuuuge Dune fans.  When it was over nobody said anything for about a minute.  Then my Dad said really loudly, loud enough for most of the house to hear, "Well, Dino really blew his wad on that shiat, huh?"

I haven't seen more than 5 minutes at a time of that movie since then.  I just can't stand it, especially Sting and dingbat Sean Young.
 
2021-10-21 9:59:11 AM  
I saw the film a few times in the theater and loved it. I had read the books, but wasn't a huge fanboi.

The film covered all of the important bits. I ignored the weirding modules and the rain at the end. I guess they needed to make the story more Hollywood (and Star Wars).

Turning the love story into a voiceover was brilliant. I do wish they included the gladiatorial fight at the beginning between Feyd and the half-shielded Atreides prisoner.
 
2021-10-21 10:02:37 AM  

Tarl3k: I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage


I know.  I've been saying the same thing about "I Robot".  It would make a good movie, a better mini-series.  Somebody should do that.  This time next year I'll be saying the same thing about "Foundation" and "Wheel of Time."
 
2021-10-21 10:03:18 AM  
Frank Herbert approved of the Lynch version and the changes made. But I liked it even before I knew that. I'll watch this one on streaming with munchies and smoke breaks.

/A friend of mine who's already seen the new one says it could be subtitled "I Dream of Zendaya." Which, Chani is a very important character in the book, but not in a cinematic way.
//So expecting more faithfulness to the novel from the new one is a forlorn hope.
 
2021-10-21 10:03:21 AM  
Gubbo:

I can't get over the idea that it's the far future. But because of personal shields, all fighting must be done with a knife, moving slowly.

Or did I just not understand that part of the book.


The book explanation is dumb as hell. If a lasgun shoots a shield there is a risk of a nuclear explosion either at the shield or at the lasgun. Later in the books they drop bombs onto shielded troops that just shoot lasers in every direction trying to trigger an explosion like that. It's pretty terrible.
 
2021-10-21 10:03:38 AM  
The scene where the baron starts floating around had me concerned
 
2021-10-21 10:04:27 AM  

Tarl3k: I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage


Oddly enough, there was a Sci-fi channel version that was pretty good. I mean, there are points where the backdrop is obviously a painting, but it was surprisingly good.
 
2021-10-21 10:07:33 AM  
I don't understand how anyone who has seen the Lynch film can ignore the elephant in the phone booth - the horrible, gargling, hissing, roaring, thrumming, incomprehensible mess of  a soundtrack.
It literally had the worst sound of any modern film I have ever seen, and it rendered the film unwatchable - I literally could not watch it. I was forced to walk out of the theater.
I have seen recorded versions, briefly since - and it's the same.
Unbelievable.
 
2021-10-21 10:09:16 AM  
No snark, the Lynch movie is a masterpiece.
 
2021-10-21 10:09:33 AM  
The movie is far easier to follow than that article which was tripping over its own smarm every third line.
 
2021-10-21 10:10:27 AM  

Aquapope: My Dad and I, and 3 of my buddies went to see that movie on opening day.  We were all huuuuuuuge Dune fans.  When it was over nobody said anything for about a minute.  Then my Dad said really loudly, loud enough for most of the house to hear, "Well, Dino really blew his wad on that shiat, huh?"

I haven't seen more than 5 minutes at a time of that movie since then.  I just can't stand it, especially Sting and dingbat Sean Young.


I don't see how anyone can tolerate five minutes of that sound. It's like sticking your head in a toilet bowl and flushing it.
 
2021-10-21 10:11:43 AM  

GameSprocket: Oddly enough, there was a Sci-fi channel version that was pretty good. I mean, there are points where the backdrop is obviously a painting, but it was surprisingly good.


I think my favorite thing about that version was, what I thought, the weirdly affected Eastern European accents.  Turns out it's because most of the cast was from Eastern Europe.
 
2021-10-21 10:15:00 AM  

jso2897: I don't understand how anyone who has seen the Lynch film can ignore the elephant in the phone booth - the horrible, gargling, hissing, roaring, thrumming, incomprehensible mess of  a soundtrack.
It literally had the worst sound of any modern film I have ever seen, and it rendered the film unwatchable - I literally could not watch it. I was forced to walk out of the theater.
I have seen recorded versions, briefly since - and it's the same.
Unbelievable.


The ending song about how Paul blessed the rains down in Arrakis is pretty catchy, though.
 
2021-10-21 10:26:30 AM  

padraig: Great_Milenko: The only redeeming quality of this movie is the scene with the Guild Navigator visiting the Emperor.

So I assume you stopped watching before the scene with Sting in a Speedo?


You mean the guy who can't act wearing space pants?
 
2021-10-21 10:28:09 AM  

log_jammin: I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.


No, the Princess Irulan introduction was in the original theatrical release. The "Alan Smithee" TV cut has a longer, suckier, introduction using some of the concept art.

Heck, I love Lynch's version. It's not perfect, but what in this life is?
 
2021-10-21 10:28:15 AM  

GameSprocket: Tarl3k: I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage

Oddly enough, there was a Sci-fi channel version that was pretty good. I mean, there are points where the backdrop is obviously a painting, but it was surprisingly good.


Is this version available anywhere?  I looked for it a while back, and it seems to have fallen down the memory hole.
 
2021-10-21 10:29:20 AM  
Sir Patrick yelling, "ATOMICS!"

That is all.
 
2021-10-21 10:30:39 AM  
Lynch's movie is FAR better than the book it's based on.
 
2021-10-21 10:31:27 AM  
Not sure I can watch any Dune adaption after seeing what David Lynch shat out through his colon onto everyone's heads in the 80's.
 
2021-10-21 10:31:52 AM  

Gubbo: log_jammin: I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.

I can't get over the idea that it's the far future. But because of personal shields, all fighting must be done with a knife, moving slowly.

Or did I just not understand that part of the book.



If you shoot a laser into the shield, both the laser and the shield blow up spectacularly.

It was Herbert's deus ex machina to get around the impersonal slaughter of modern warfare.
 
2021-10-21 10:34:15 AM  

GameSprocket: Tarl3k: I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage

Oddly enough, there was a Sci-fi channel version that was pretty good. I mean, there are points where the backdrop is obviously a painting, but it was surprisingly good.


agreed, which is why I specified movie. ;)
 
2021-10-21 10:35:48 AM  

Great_Milenko: GameSprocket: Tarl3k: I'm not sure what TFA is talking about...there's never been a Dune movie before, this is the first real pass at it.  I mean, there was a movie that was set on a desert planet, with something called "weirding modules" (whatever TF that means) but there's never actually been an attempt to make a movie based on book Dune.

/I know, I know, but that movie was a hot pile of garbage

Oddly enough, there was a Sci-fi channel version that was pretty good. I mean, there are points where the backdrop is obviously a painting, but it was surprisingly good.

Is this version available anywhere?  I looked for it a while back, and it seems to have fallen down the memory hole.


Frank Herbert's Dune [Episode 1]
Youtube wXEkoO35MyI


I assume all the episodes are there.
 
2021-10-21 10:36:42 AM  
Don't care, love the original
 
2021-10-21 10:37:15 AM  
Anybody remember when the original Sci-Fi Channel would play the long version of Dune on the weekends because they didn't have much of other content to show?
 
2021-10-21 10:41:08 AM  

Gubbo: log_jammin: I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.

I can't get over the idea that it's the far future. But because of personal shields, all fighting must be done with a knife, moving slowly.

Or did I just not understand that part of the book.


All *dueling* and personal combat is done with knives, but for war you have sand worms, artillery, and the "stone burners"- tactical neutron bombs that burn and blind thousands.  It's... weird and alien, like anything set after a gap of thousands of years should be.
 
2021-10-21 10:44:14 AM  
I like Dune through God Emperor.  I liked this movie.
 
2021-10-21 10:44:53 AM  
The set designs and costumes were, for the most part, awesome

The story and acting... not so much.

I admit, I still watch it from time to time, if it pops up on HBO

What I find more entertaining is the documentary about what Jodorowsky's Dune would have looked like.  If he'd released his version of the movie, it would have been 2-3 hour of "OMG, WTF?"
 
2021-10-21 10:46:01 AM  
Loved the Lynch movie. Yes it changes stuff from the book, yes the theatrical cut is an editing disaster, but holy shiat does that movie just encompasse 80's scifi imagination. It's amazingly atmospheric and memorable from a visual sense, even if the plot is loopy.
 
2021-10-21 10:48:45 AM  

jso2897: I don't understand how anyone who has seen the Lynch film can ignore the elephant in the phone booth - the horrible, gargling, hissing, roaring, thrumming, incomprehensible mess of  a soundtrack.
It literally had the worst sound of any modern film I have ever seen, and it rendered the film unwatchable - I literally could not watch it. I was forced to walk out of the theater.
I have seen recorded versions, briefly since - and it's the same.
Unbelievable.


Whaaaaaaat? In any version, it's the only part that's completely good! Between the actual soundrack and the Lynchian-hum-drone that permeates the film. I mean, the sound is always my favorite part of any Lynch movie.
 
2021-10-21 10:50:29 AM  

FlashHarry: I have a deep and abiding love for Lynch's version. I don't care what anyone else thinks. The production design (those sets!) alone is worth the price of admission.


HIGH FIVE.
Love the sets, costumes, and music.
The casting was great.
The writing and delivery left much to be desired, but a lot of scenes stick with me today.

/Bought my kids a jump rope and immediately thought about climbing a worm.
 
2021-10-21 10:50:51 AM  
Why do people keep trying to stuff Dune into a movie? There's enough in the book for a 6 season series.

/Although I do love Lynch's version
//Tell me of your home world, Usul
///Third slashie was eaten by a sandworm
 
2021-10-21 10:53:02 AM  

deadsanta: Gubbo: log_jammin: I like the voice over thing where they basically explain the setting, what spice is and what it means, who the great houses are, etc... I think it was added after the movie flopped so they made it for TV or something.

Much like the book, I like, almost love, a lot of the ideas and concepts and even some characters, but I hate the execution of it all.

I can't get over the idea that it's the far future. But because of personal shields, all fighting must be done with a knife, moving slowly.

Or did I just not understand that part of the book.

All *dueling* and personal combat is done with knives, but for war you have sand worms, artillery, and the "stone burners"- tactical neutron bombs that burn and blind thousands.  It's... weird and alien, like anything set after a gap of thousands of years should be.


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2021-10-21 10:53:09 AM  
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2021-10-21 10:55:58 AM  
We used to smoke the marijuana and watch Dune a lot in college.  We were huge fans of the book.  The book is weird enough on its own without any Lynchisms.  My biggest problem, which I think they've rectified in the new one, is the book is too much for one movie.  You can't intro characters, move to Arakis, get attacked by Harkonen/Emporer, go into hiding, learn your the universe's super being, rally an army, get a newborn sister, nail Chani, and win the planet back in 2 hours.
 
2021-10-21 10:58:37 AM  
(NO SPOILERS AHEAD!)

Having seen the new Dune twice now (yeah it was leaked recently) I can say it exceeded every expectation I could imagine. But don't expect the entirety of Lynch's movie. It will be a trilogy-plus treatment of the books from what I've heard.

I don't go searching for Dune stuff as I'm only a movie guy. Never read the books, btw. But I watched it with a friend who had the equivalent of a PhD in Dune and couldn't believe how much it finally looks like the descriptions from the series. So it should please many of the rigid adherents of the source material too. It is a gorgeous movie through and through. Worth all of the eye candy even if it doesn't live up to your story expectations.

Fyi, we're both pushing 50 and remember the original. He certainly wasn't watching it to compare to Lynch. He was only discussing book lore in his discussion.
 
2021-10-21 10:58:56 AM  
PS: But... the character's going into battle.

DL: Just hold the pug, Pat.

PS: A... 'Battle Pug'?

DL: [sigh] Just... hold the pug, Pat.


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2021-10-21 11:05:08 AM  
Oh, and for those wondering how long ago this was made....


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This is Alia today.
 
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