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2021-10-21 6:20:16 AM  
If it looks anything like the recent Lord of the Rings show, no thanks.
 
2021-10-21 6:23:14 AM  
tl;dr

/TFA and the books
 
2021-10-21 6:26:06 AM  
I don't have a lot of hope for this, but I'll give it a go.
 
2021-10-21 6:31:23 AM  
I'm going to watch it, but I have no particular hopes for its adequacy.
 
2021-10-21 6:32:29 AM  
The source material is not particularly good.
 
2021-10-21 6:37:15 AM  

Persnickety: tl;dr

/TFA and the books


I took a go at them a few years ago. I got all the way halfway through book 2. They are not very good. Game of Thrones I only gave up on when it was clear Martin was never going to finish.
 
2021-10-21 6:40:26 AM  
I wonder who's going to play Pat Sajak.
 
2021-10-21 6:58:42 AM  
That reminds me, when does the sixth season of Game of Thrones premiere?
 
2021-10-21 7:01:51 AM  

odinsposse: Persnickety: tl;dr

/TFA and the books

I took a go at them a few years ago. I got all the way halfway through book 2. They are not very good. Game of Thrones I only gave up on when it was clear Martin was never going to finish.


More and more I'm starting to think that the only way to write epic fantasy is the way Tolkein did: spend 20 fleshing out your world, writing and rewriting all the backstory.  Then write the complete outline of your epic tale including all the dates and places.  Only once all that is done can you write your multi-volumed epic.
 
2021-10-21 7:15:47 AM  

kukukupo: If it looks anything like the recent Lord of the Rings show, no thanks.


Wait, you have seen that? Wow you have some serious insider status, share some details!
 
2021-10-21 7:17:23 AM  
And a turgid piss-poor dreary hack from about the first episode.
 
2021-10-21 7:28:04 AM  

Confabulat: The source material is not particularly good.


Hopefully they do things at Brandon Sanderson speed.
 
2021-10-21 7:28:26 AM  
Loved the books, looking forward to the show.
 
2021-10-21 7:38:43 AM  
I was in third or fourth grade when I finished Lord of the Rings. I loved it and started looking for my next fix. I picked up the first Wheel of Time book because it had nifty cover art. The story was disjointed and never went anywhere. I gave it another try in seventh when my English teacher saw me reading Dragonlance books and told me there were subtleties I may not have picked up on when I was younger. The experience was even worse because I recognized it was the opposite of subtle and just clubbed you over the head. Kind of turned me off fantasy novels in general after that.
 
2021-10-21 7:41:49 AM  
As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.
 
2021-10-21 7:55:08 AM  

Ragin' Asian: I picked up the first Wheel of Time book because it had nifty cover art.


Darrell K. Sweet is one of the shiattiest cover artists ever ever ever.  His shiattiness is so complete he's one of the very few cover artists I can immediately identify.
 
2021-10-21 7:56:36 AM  
Wheel of Time is what happens when someone is inspired by all of Tolkien's bad qualities and none of his good qualities.

Horrendous writing. Ridiculously derivative. Long sections - literally hundreds of pages - that don't advance the plot.
 
2021-10-21 7:57:13 AM  

Persnickety: odinsposse: Persnickety: tl;dr

/TFA and the books

I took a go at them a few years ago. I got all the way halfway through book 2. They are not very good. Game of Thrones I only gave up on when it was clear Martin was never going to finish.

More and more I'm starting to think that the only way to write epic fantasy is the way Tolkein did: spend 20 fleshing out your world, writing and rewriting all the backstory.  Then write the complete outline of your epic tale including all the dates and places.  Only once all that is done can you write your multi-volumed epic.


I just started the audio book collection of all of the Robert Howard Conan the Barbarian stories, and the first Conan story was just 40-something minutes of Howard's made-up history, over thousands of years, of the kingdoms and peoples rising and falling that led to the world that Conan inhabits.  He even goes to the trouble of describing a kingdom, only to then have that kingdom so thoroughly destroyed that the memory of it's existence was lost long before Conan was born.  Talk about an epic fantasy world.
 
2021-10-21 8:02:24 AM  

zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.


...said zeroman987, the gun-metal blue of his faded denim and the stately flannel plaid in autumn colors striking a contrast against the more vibrant pale green chenille and blue damask of the upholstery, and forcing the reader, bored with fabric notes, to wonder if Jordan worked at a JoAnnes when he was a kid.
 
2021-10-21 8:14:33 AM  

Aquapope: zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.

...said zeroman987, the gun-metal blue of his faded denim and the stately flannel plaid in autumn colors striking a contrast against the more vibrant pale green chenille and blue damask of the upholstery, and forcing the reader, bored with fabric notes, to wonder if Jordan worked at a JoAnnes when he was a kid.


There must be some episode devoted entirely to the women main characters shopping.  There is only inner dialog examining the qualities of the fabrics and wonder in the men would be smart enough to understand why they bought this wonderous silk and how they were going to show up those other hussys.

All while they tugged at their braids and scowled at the merchants.
 
2021-10-21 8:15:59 AM  
Oh look, it's the weekly WoT hate thread brought to you by people with gnat-like attention spans, who think GRRM is a good author because edgy like bismuth.
 
2021-10-21 8:19:50 AM  
While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.
 
2021-10-21 8:25:08 AM  

neongoats: Oh look, it's the weekly WoT hate thread brought to you by people with gnat-like attention spans, who think GRRM is a good author because edgy like bismuth.


Yeah i'm not gonna pretend that Jordan is an unparalleled author, but this thread is pretty silly.
/Also Sanderson is great
//Just now reading Stormlight Archives.
 
2021-10-21 8:30:40 AM  

HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.


One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.
 
2021-10-21 8:31:30 AM  

Persnickety: More and more I'm starting to think that the only way to write epic fantasy is the way Tolkein did: spend 20 fleshing out your world, writing and rewriting all the backstory.  Then write the complete outline of your epic tale including all the dates and places.  Only once all that is done can you write your multi-volumed epic.


Modern tools make it much easier too keep things straight, so it's more doable than ever. I use Aeon Timeline and Scrivener, and they sync together. Much easier than slabs of paper notes.

'Course, the stuff still has to be good in the first place. XD

Unfortunately, there's active antipathy for worldbuilding in a lot of writing circles. I was spitballing some stuff with someone asking for my help on a writing server, and some biatch flipped out at me and scolded the person asking for help, claiming they'd 'never get any writing done' so shut up and stop worldbuilding and just write story. That's the most stridently I've encountered that attitude, but it ain't the only time. Needless to say, I wished them luck and farking left, because no one else told said biatch to shut up, they acted like a queen bee, and those are baaad signs.

It's farking stupid. The limitations and the niches in a detailed setting can provide all kinds of good material and prompts for story. Most people will never get published unless by themselves, it's unnecessary to piss all over them for failure to comply to format, especially at the composition phase.

Highly evolved sloth: I just started the audio book collection of all of the Robert Howard Conan the Barbarian stories, and the first Conan story was just 40-something minutes of Howard's made-up history, over thousands of years, of the kingdoms and peoples rising and falling that led to the world that Conan inhabits.  He even goes to the trouble of describing a kingdom, only to then have that kingdom so thoroughly destroyed that the memory of it's existence was lost long before Conan was born.  Talk about an epic fantasy world.


Roomie's a big fan of the Conan books, they have that feeling of history to them, plus elements of eldritch horror--Howard knew Lovecraft. He wrote to Lovecraft complaining his ancient Britons spoke the wrong language, because nerrrrrrds. Howard was more evenhanded re: race, except for the stand-ins for North American indigenous people. But he was a Texan, there's a history of Comanche raids, so it's sad but it's not surprising.

The movies and stuff aren't like the written stories at all, though some of the comic adaptations aren't bad. I quite liked The Jewels of Gwahlur by P Craig Russell.

/ The Tower of the Elephant
// one of the earliest giant spiders in fantasy
/// splorch
 
2021-10-21 8:36:00 AM  

Aquapope: zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.

...said zeroman987, the gun-metal blue of his faded denim and the stately flannel plaid in autumn colors striking a contrast against the more vibrant pale green chenille and blue damask of the upholstery, and forcing the reader, bored with fabric notes, to wonder if Jordan worked at a JoAnnes when he was a kid.


So, sort of like when Martin will spend 2-3 paragraphs describing the food in a scene that only lasts a page or two.
 
2021-10-21 8:36:11 AM  

neongoats: Oh look, it's the weekly WoT hate thread brought to you by people with gnat-like attention spans, who think GRRM is a good author because edgy like bismuth.


Originally planned as a six novel series and ends up stretching out to fourteen - I don't think it was the reader's short attention spans that were the problem.  As to GRRM, he wrote three well plotted, well paced books and then decided to take Jordan as his inspiration for the rest.
 
2021-10-21 8:48:30 AM  
At least it's Amazon and not MTV, so it's gotta be better than the Shannara Chronicles.

***clicks link***

Okay, in that photo, I see people over the age of 25 so it is definitely not an MTV series.
 
2021-10-21 8:56:57 AM  

iron_city_ap: Aquapope: zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.

...said zeroman987, the gun-metal blue of his faded denim and the stately flannel plaid in autumn colors striking a contrast against the more vibrant pale green chenille and blue damask of the upholstery, and forcing the reader, bored with fabric notes, to wonder if Jordan worked at a JoAnnes when he was a kid.

So, sort of like when Martin will spend 2-3 paragraphs describing the food in a scene that only lasts a page or two.


Oh, it's ridiculous.  A short conversation between 2 people, with only 1 or 2 key points that need to be conveyed to the reader, turns out to be a whole 25 page chapter.  You know the layout of the room, its furniture, the fabrics, clothing, rugs, clocks, ambient noises and smells... it's like it was written by a scenographer as a proposal to a director.
 
2021-10-21 8:57:11 AM  
I couldn't make it thru book 3.  I tried.  I really did.  After a while, I just stop caring about what happens to any of the characters.  I think with Jordan, he just took way too long for the character development.  I really didn't feel the need to get thru 2000 pages before Perrin finally accepts his transformation, for instance.  It felt like thousands of pages of everyone just complaining the whole time.

I'm looking forward to the TV series, since it will hopefully have a lot less of the brooding, emo inner monologue that turned me off of Jordan's writing.
 
2021-10-21 8:59:13 AM  

HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.


This.
I kind of liked the Sword of Truth books.
I read them while confined to my home after a big time surgery.
Then I found the tv show.....
worst thing ever on tv.
 
2021-10-21 9:09:50 AM  
Can't wait for it! Favorite series I ever read. Not the BEST series I ever read, just my favorite.

*looks in the comments*

I think we have undercover Tad Williams in here.

You want long ass books that go NOWHERE for 80% of the book series go back to that.

/I'll take my 40% of the book describes the surroundings Wheel of Time, thank you very much
 
2021-10-21 9:10:32 AM  

wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.


***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).
 
2021-10-21 9:12:23 AM  
Amazon's upcoming content slate, and the general shiattiness of their physical product selection (is everything on there fake now???) are pushing me to cancel Prime, which I wouldn't even have considered two years ago.
 
2021-10-21 9:12:39 AM  

freddyV: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

This.
I kind of liked the Sword of Truth books.
I read them while confined to my home after a big time surgery.
Then I found the tv show.....
worst thing ever on tv.


I like the pokemon horses they added to the TV show.

Episode 3... oh noes, we have to WALK SO FAR
Episode 4... man these horses are so fast
Episode 5... what's a horse?
Episode 6... Only idiots don't have horses and we've had them FOREVER!!
 
2021-10-21 9:13:20 AM  

HallsOfMandos: wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.

***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).


Anla the Wise = Ann Landers
 
2021-10-21 9:13:31 AM  
I can't type today apparently; ignore my horrendous grammar in above post please.
 
2021-10-21 9:13:42 AM  

HallsOfMandos: wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.

***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).


They would sort of need to do that as the show is not the Line of Time...

Ka is a Wheel ...
 
2021-10-21 9:21:45 AM  

zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.


Per volume.
 
2021-10-21 9:26:50 AM  

InfoFreako: HallsOfMandos: wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.

***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).

Anla the Wise = Ann Landers


Mosk and Merk, giants who fought with lances of fire that reached over the horizon.
 
2021-10-21 9:30:14 AM  

Alphax: InfoFreako: HallsOfMandos: wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.

***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).

Anla the Wise = Ann Landers

Mosk and Merk, giants who fought with lances of fire that reached over the horizon.


Seems there was lots of flashback to Logain's time with things like flying cars, lasers, skyscrapers and all sorts of modern stuff.  Not really 'our' time as much of the build and tech was supplemented or made possible with magic.
 
2021-10-21 9:38:47 AM  

wingnut396: Alphax: InfoFreako: HallsOfMandos: wingnut396: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

One of the largest complaints for most series or movies is that they leave too much out of the books.  There is plenty of material to edit out of Jordan's writing and still have a good story, which is what I hope for.

***MINOR SPOILER BELOW BEWARE***

True.  I just hope they don't leave out all the little clues that the world of WoT is our world far in the future (in one the book's they find a Mercedes ornament in a museum).

Anla the Wise = Ann Landers

Mosk and Merk, giants who fought with lances of fire that reached over the horizon.

Seems there was lots of flashback to Logain's time with things like flying cars, lasers, skyscrapers and all sorts of modern stuff.  Not really 'our' time as much of the build and tech was supplemented or made possible with magic.


By Logain, do you mean Lews Therein?
 
2021-10-21 9:39:53 AM  
Cool.

I wonder if they actually show all the times Nynaeve tugs on her braid. That'll be like 14 hours of "quality" television , right there.

Just like in the books, I guess I'll just skip all the boring Nynaeve and Egwene parts.
 
2021-10-21 9:46:33 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: By Logain, do you mean Lews Therein?


LIkely.  Its been many years.
 
2021-10-21 9:49:04 AM  

freddyV: HallsOfMandos: While I can see where you are all coming from with the criticisms of the books, I still loved them and hope this show actually works.  I am a bit worried, though.

This.
I kind of liked the Sword of Truth books.
I read them while confined to my home after a big time surgery.
Then I found the tv show.....
worst thing ever on tv.


I really liked the SoT series up to the Pillars of Creation. Then every book just became a ridiculously politized rant of bullshiat. I finished the entire series, but have refused to read anything from Goodkind since.
 
2021-10-21 9:59:12 AM  

wingnut396: Jim from Saint Paul: By Logain, do you mean Lews Therein?

LIkely.  Its been many years.


Gotcha. Principle is right though. The "past" they will reference will be more advanced technologically then what we in the real world currently have.
 
2021-10-21 10:01:04 AM  
Yeah, the Wheel of Time.  Both so far in the future and so far in the past from our time, that only a few vague legends survive.  Mat Caulton ends up being an early version of Odin.
 
2021-10-21 10:03:33 AM  
Hopefully they just skip over the Jordan character building and concentrate on Sanderson's interpretation of the characters.  Jordan was way too "she's a girl, so she's bossy" and "he's a boy, so he's stupid" for my taste.  But those Sanderson books (and even the later Jordan ones) were so good.
 
2021-10-21 10:07:34 AM  

zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.


hay! don't forget the Arms Folded Under Breasts...ing.


Muzzleloader: zeroman987: As yes, Wheel of Time.  You know it has an alternative title - One Hundred Pages of Braid Tugging.

Per volume chapter.


ftfy?
 
2021-10-21 10:11:58 AM  
I've read a few of the books, but honestly they aren't for me. They lack the cohesive story telling to keep me interested, and he veered far to often to the mundane. That's what you get when the editor is your wife, instead of a disinterested third party. I think he built an interesting world, and that's what sustained me to book five.

I was describing the writing style to my wife and she summed it up best: "It sounds like a writer with OCD, whose audience also has OCD."
 
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