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2021-10-20 8:54:00 PM  
"Heartland's goal happens to be the belief that Jesus is the answer to every issue individuals face - including addiction, anger, broken homes, and financial crises," the lawsuit says.

As a Presbyterian, let me say this about that: They are a bunch of whackaloons.
 
2021-10-20 9:18:20 PM  
The suit alleges the new law violates numerous constitutional rights, including restricting Heartland from forming an "association of those who share a common commitment to education, addiction recovery and religious faith."

Oh, it's one of THOSE places. Yeah, they definitely beat the kids. Those schools were all around in the 80's and 90's before they finally started closing. I never read a good thing about them, ever. Every article about a closing would locate former students and to a person they all claimed abuse and a shiatty education.
 
2021-10-20 10:35:13 PM  

Lsherm: The suit alleges the new law violates numerous constitutional rights, including restricting Heartland from forming an "association of those who share a common commitment to education, addiction recovery and religious faith."

Oh, it's one of THOSE places. Yeah, they definitely beat the kids. Those schools were all around in the 80's and 90's before they finally started closing. I never read a good thing about them, ever. Every article about a closing would locate former students and to a person they all claimed abuse and a shiatty education.


Yeah, the *actual* treatment option I recall was through the public school system where I grew up. They had an alternative school for various issues not related to disability.
 
2021-10-20 10:37:47 PM  
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It might be nice if the TFA mentioned how these unregulated Christian boarding schools have been agents of genocide for centuries. Unmarked graves and everything. FARK THESE PEOPLE INTO COURT.
 
2021-10-20 11:24:40 PM  

Somacandra: [Fark user image 850x580]

It might be nice if the TFA mentioned how these unregulated Christian boarding schools have been agents of genocide for centuries. Unmarked graves and everything. FARK THESE PEOPLE INTO COURT.


Christian treatment for me, not for thee.
 
2021-10-21 12:09:32 AM  

puffy999: Somacandra: [Fark user image 850x580]

It might be nice if the TFA mentioned how these unregulated Christian boarding schools have been agents of genocide for centuries. Unmarked graves and everything. FARK THESE PEOPLE INTO COURT.

Christian treatment for me, not for thee.


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They were Christianly treated. They were Christianly fed, then Christianly shot.
 
2021-10-21 12:09:49 AM  
Cathoic High School Girls In Trouble
 
2021-10-21 12:10:49 AM  

Lsherm: The suit alleges the new law violates numerous constitutional rights, including restricting Heartland from forming an "association of those who share a common commitment to education, addiction recovery and religious faith."

Oh, it's one of THOSE places. Yeah, they definitely beat the kids. Those schools were all around in the 80's and 90's before they finally started closing. I never read a good thing about them, ever. Every article about a closing would locate former students and to a person they all claimed abuse and a shiatty education.


Yep.
They go after the addicted, homeless, needy, etc. first because such people are desperate and easily controlled.
Same reason Scientologists go after them.
 
2021-10-21 12:11:43 AM  
Ban religious schools.  And all private schooling.  Have all schooling be done by the government.

problem solved.
 
2021-10-21 12:12:06 AM  

Unobtanium: "Heartland's goal happens to be the belief that Jesus is the answer to every issue individuals face - including addiction, anger, broken homes, and financial crises," the lawsuit says.

As a Presbyterian, let me say this about that: They are a bunch of whackaloons.


Doesn't that make every final exam really simple? The answers to questions 1 through 316 are all "Jesus"
 
2021-10-21 12:18:07 AM  
If you have kids' best interest at heart, you should have no problem with being inspected. These ppl are monsters, and you just know stuff like this that we're aware of is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2021-10-21 12:19:56 AM  
Why do such good people so often live in fear of exposure?
 
2021-10-21 12:20:08 AM  

Lady J: If you have kids' best interest at heart, you should have no problem with being inspected. These ppl are monsters, and you just know stuff like this that we're aware of is just the tip of the iceberg.


"The iceberg" being the name of one of the priests?
 
2021-10-21 12:20:21 AM  

Lsherm: The suit alleges the new law violates numerous constitutional rights, including restricting Heartland from forming an "association of those who share a common commitment to education, addiction recovery and religious faith."

Oh, it's one of THOSE places. Yeah, they definitely beat the kids. Those schools were all around in the 80's and 90's before they finally started closing. I never read a good thing about them, ever. Every article about a closing would locate former students and to a person they all claimed abuse and a shiatty education.


At the minimum, the kids are getting beaten. Something tells me a few there are going well beyond that level of abuse.
 
2021-10-21 12:21:57 AM  

king of vegas: Why do such good people so often live in fear of exposure?


Roaches fear the light.
 
2021-10-21 12:24:14 AM  
JesusWeen?

JesusWeen!
 
2021-10-21 12:24:19 AM  
self-regulate
 
2021-10-21 12:24:35 AM  
This place has already been in the news multiple times and has numerous lawsuits by kids that were
held captive and tortured there...This is just going to "Streissand Effect" the scumbag places even more.

The same cliche' these idiots throw out about " If you have nothing to hide.." of course doesn't
apply to themselves..They are also a GREAT way to launder money between their "church" and
their family and friends who  become "employees" of the places..It's all part of the grift..
 
2021-10-21 12:25:38 AM  
"Don't care. Do what I want cuz Jesus" isn't a sufficient MOU for any organization.
 
2021-10-21 12:27:00 AM  

Ragin' Asian: "Don't care. Do what I want cuz Jesus" isn't a sufficient MOU for any organization.


It's worked for the Catholic Church for some time now.
 
2021-10-21 12:29:16 AM  
Heartland's goal happens to be the belief that Jesus is the answer to every issue individuals face - including addiction

But addiction to Jesus is AOK?
 
2021-10-21 12:31:47 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: This place has already been in the news multiple times and has numerous lawsuits by kids that were
held captive and tortured there...This is just going to "Streissand Effect" the scumbag places even more.

The same cliche' these idiots throw out about " If you have nothing to hide.." of course doesn't
apply to themselves..They are also a GREAT way to launder money between their "church" and
their family and friends who  become "employees" of the places..It's all part of the grift..


"We've been mistreating kids for years! Why should we be forced to stop now?"
 
2021-10-21 12:37:49 AM  
Out of left field here, you know what might be interesting? What if a kid tossed into one of these Jesus Concentration Camps filed a lawsuit on religious freedom grounds because they claimed they were a Buddhist and were being prevented from free exorcise of their religion? Would heads explode?
 
2021-10-21 12:40:02 AM  
Why does all the stupid, religious, RWNJ stuff have to happen in Missouri?

Is this state the low spot in the middle of the country where all the stupid settles..?
 
2021-10-21 12:40:05 AM  
They are always the same. Always.

It's all about the Dollars.

All they are are torture camps, and nobody is ever held responsible, because Jesus.

I know someone who went through a Synanon Camp. The founder, was a "former" alcoholic and total sociopath. The woman I know was literally kidnapped at 2 in the morning by a bunch of muscley dudes in black sweatshirts and ski masks, grabbed out of her bed in nothing but her panties and literally dragged kicking and screaming across the front yard and thrown into a van where she was handcuffed with a mans knee resting on her head. All while her parents stood there crying and telling her that it was all for her own good.

All because her parents found out she'd been sleeping with her boyfriend. She was 15 years old, and wasn't allowed to leave even after she'd turned 18. She had to escape and they still tried to drag her back when they tracked her down at her Grandfathers house.

Her parents paid about $100,000 for the service.
 
2021-10-21 12:41:56 AM  
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2021-10-21 12:43:35 AM  
Never saw a Christian boarding-school/summer-camp wasn't a front for idle molestation of children and maybe trafficking of the tots to nearby "pastors".
 
2021-10-21 12:48:40 AM  
Not just a school, but unregulated boarding school. If you ever needed a nicer word for "Uncle Touchy's Casino & Underage Whorehouse."
 
2021-10-21 12:50:50 AM  
wait so trickle- down religion doesnt work?
 
2021-10-21 12:55:20 AM  
We've got to stop letting people use religion as a free pass to get away with abuse, neglect, and otherwise illegal business practices. And the tax exemptions need to be taken away from any group that isn't an active charity that does work everyone can see the value in, like running clean soup kitchens and homeless shelters, as opposed to prayer circles and faith healing, which have questionable results at best and don't require a special building or any funding. All it does is encourage scams and brutality, not religious freedom.

Legitimate Christian churches should especially be open to paying taxes and accepting oversight. Christ famously commanded his followers to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's," and that includes property taxes and safety inspections.
 
2021-10-21 1:04:20 AM  
TFA: "Heartland's goal happens to be the belief that Jesus is the answer to every issue individuals face"

"Who touched my rectum while I was sleeping?
"Jesus."

Cunning plan to make your claimed savior your fall-guy, padre.
 
2021-10-21 1:05:27 AM  

EdgeRunner: We've got to stop letting people use religion as a free pass to get away with abuse, neglect, and otherwise illegal business practices. And the tax exemptions need to be taken away from any group that isn't an active charity that does work everyone can see the value in, like running clean soup kitchens and homeless shelters, as opposed to prayer circles and faith healing, which have questionable results at best and don't require a special building or any funding. All it does is encourage scams and brutality, not religious freedom.

Legitimate Christian churches should especially be open to paying taxes and accepting oversight. Christ famously commanded his followers to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's," and that includes property taxes and safety inspections.


But that would entail Christians following their Christian beliefs.

That's bigotry against Christians or something.
 
2021-10-21 1:06:52 AM  

Somacandra: [Fark user image 850x580]

It might be nice if the TFA mentioned how these unregulated Christian boarding schools have been agents of genocide for centuries. Unmarked graves and everything. FARK THESE PEOPLE INTO COURT.


Given the millions to billions of people murdered by christians over 2,000 years, that is a religion of hate and death.  What's the fact that they are all pathological liars compared to the fact that they are all mass murderers?

Maybe one of them can lie about their lie that they are the religion of peace.
 
2021-10-21 1:07:41 AM  

puffy999: EdgeRunner: We've got to stop letting people use religion as a free pass to get away with abuse, neglect, and otherwise illegal business practices. And the tax exemptions need to be taken away from any group that isn't an active charity that does work everyone can see the value in, like running clean soup kitchens and homeless shelters, as opposed to prayer circles and faith healing, which have questionable results at best and don't require a special building or any funding. All it does is encourage scams and brutality, not religious freedom.

Legitimate Christian churches should especially be open to paying taxes and accepting oversight. Christ famously commanded his followers to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's," and that includes property taxes and safety inspections.

But that would entail Christians following their Christian beliefs.

That's bigotry against Christians or something.


Only if it's solely applied to Christians. All religious exemptions need to be abolished across the board. Of course they'll all complain, but none of them can say they were singled out.
 
2021-10-21 1:13:52 AM  

puffy999: EdgeRunner: We've got to stop letting people use religion as a free pass to get away with abuse, neglect, and otherwise illegal business practices. And the tax exemptions need to be taken away from any group that isn't an active charity that does work everyone can see the value in, like running clean soup kitchens and homeless shelters, as opposed to prayer circles and faith healing, which have questionable results at best and don't require a special building or any funding. All it does is encourage scams and brutality, not religious freedom.

Legitimate Christian churches should especially be open to paying taxes and accepting oversight. Christ famously commanded his followers to "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's," and that includes property taxes and safety inspections.

But that would entail Christians following their Christian beliefs.

That's bigotry against Christians or something.


Christians actually following Christian beliefs would become Muslim.

/ducks
 
2021-10-21 1:15:32 AM  
Meh, these places only exist because of the political cover granted by tens of millions of "moderate" Christians, who have been convinced to support candidates who vote for things like the RFRA and religious exemptions to societal responsibilities. We will be cursed with them until they can no longer use this shield to protect their abhorrent behavior.
 
2021-10-21 1:15:32 AM  

Ragin' Asian: "Don't care. Do what I want cuz Jesus" isn't a sufficient MOU for any organization.


... in any first world country outside the USA".

FTFY
 
2021-10-21 1:16:29 AM  

jerryskid: Somacandra: [Fark user image 850x580]

It might be nice if the TFA mentioned how these unregulated Christian boarding schools have been agents of genocide for centuries. Unmarked graves and everything. FARK THESE PEOPLE INTO COURT.

Given the millions to billions of people murdered by christians over 2,000 years, that is a religion of hate and death.  What's the fact that they are all pathological liars compared to the fact that they are all mass murderers?

Maybe one of them can lie about their lie that they are the religion of peace.


Christianity is absolutely a religion of peace. The lie comes from all the so-called "followers" who do cruel and selfish acts in the name of that religion, despite the religion itself firmly condemning all of those actions.

As he's described in print, the Biblical Christ would have frowned on the crusades, raged against televangelists, and turned a whip against pedophile priests and driven them out of the church. The loudest "Christians" are rarely anything of the sort, and they have as much to do with the actual teachings as horse paste peddlers have to do with actual Covid prevention.
 
2021-10-21 1:17:04 AM  

1funguy: Why does all the stupid, religious, RWNJ stuff have to happen in Missouri?

Is this state the low spot in the middle of the country where all the stupid settles..?


It's what happens when you cross Northern charm with Southern efficiency
 
2021-10-21 1:19:41 AM  
because, you know, nothing bad ever happens in unsupervised Christian schools that self regulate

Just like nothing bad ever happens in government schools that are closely watched and regulated by diligent, hard-working, and honest public servants.
 
2021-10-21 1:22:06 AM  

king of vegas: Why do such good people so often live in fear of exposure?


They don't want us to go blind from all the goodness.
 
2021-10-21 1:26:30 AM  

jjorsett: because, you know, nothing bad ever happens in unsupervised Christian schools that self regulate

Just like nothing bad ever happens in government schools that are closely watched and regulated by diligent, hard-working, and honest public servants.


A really common way to mislead people is by making unquantified statements about quantitatively very different things.
 
2021-10-21 1:58:20 AM  
 
2021-10-21 3:07:31 AM  
Subby's headline assumes that those negative consequences aren't the very reason they want all oversight off their banks to begin with.  Because they actually regard them as net positives.
 
2021-10-21 3:08:39 AM  

jjorsett: because, you know, nothing bad ever happens in unsupervised Christian schools that self regulate

Just like nothing bad ever happens in government schools that are closely watched and regulated by diligent, hard-working, and honest public servants.


STFU.
 
2021-10-21 3:11:02 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Heartland's goal happens to be the belief that Jesus is the answer to every issue individuals face - including addiction

But addiction to Jesus is AOK?


That's the one addiction that is both praised and actively encouraged. To the point of dysfunction, in fact.
 
2021-10-21 3:48:23 AM  

jjorsett: because, you know, nothing bad ever happens in unsupervised Christian schools that self regulate

Just like nothing bad ever happens in government schools that are closely watched and regulated by diligent, hard-working, and honest public servants.


STFU, stupid.
 
2021-10-21 4:16:12 AM  
It's a real shame federal law enforcement got spooked by the negative press when all those kids died in Waco. The only way this country is going to be rid of this sort of abusive, cultish nonsense is to crush it without mercy. Yes, people will die, hopefully mostly those that deserve it, but you've gotta break some eggs to make an omlette and all that.

And yes, this is at least partially because the idea of an armored column of Feds rolling into Clearwater, FL really tickles me.
 
2021-10-21 4:25:57 AM  
If this were a school run my Muslims I suspect they'd feel differently.
 
2021-10-21 4:26:03 AM  
Unregulated christian schools are just like madrassas in Pakistan - radicalizing children while the teachers sexually abuse them without any consequence because god.

/organized religion sucks
 
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