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(Talking Points Memo)   Supreme Court may actually try to curtail foreigners from legally bribing American politicians   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2021-10-20 5:54:36 PM  
No they won't.
 
2021-10-20 5:55:37 PM  
They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.
 
2021-10-20 5:58:07 PM  
Corporations are people.
 
2021-10-20 6:00:07 PM  
Someone keep an eye on Thomas' wife's banks accounts
 
2021-10-20 6:04:40 PM  
LOL. Sure, Jan.
 
2021-10-20 6:05:53 PM  

Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.


Nah, people who are obliged to obey crossing guards generally do so. The FEC has less power.
 
2021-10-20 6:07:10 PM  
I don't like it.

That's why the Open Society II case is so important: it indicates that foreign corporations cannot raise First Amendment objections to U.S. laws or policies.

So, the government can shut down or censor any foreign news source because the first amendment doesn't apply to them?  Say, do an nationwide IP block on The Guardian?

Nope, I don't like it one bit.
 
2021-10-20 6:10:29 PM  

freetomato: Corporations are people.


Persons. Not people. Persons.

And really only maybe. As far as I know no one has ever tested it.
 
2021-10-20 6:10:47 PM  
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2021-10-20 6:11:30 PM  
Dammit this double-tap-equals-posting thing is really beginning to chap my ass. I was going to include this story.
 
2021-10-20 6:15:58 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: freetomato: Corporations are people.

Persons. Not people. Persons.

And really only maybe. As far as I know no one has ever tested it.


I was attempting cynicism.
 
2021-10-20 6:17:13 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: Dammit this double-tap-equals-posting thing is really beginning to chap my ass. I was going to include this story.


Double tap post trips me up too.

Article bookmarked for later.
 
2021-10-20 6:17:45 PM  

Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.


And yet President Biden is in no hurry to fix that problem.
 
2021-10-20 6:20:03 PM  
If they were serious, then Ted Cruz would be ejected from the Senate.
 
2021-10-20 6:21:34 PM  

Heliodorus: No they won't.


Came here to say this.  If there's anything that the current SC stands for it's corporate ownership of the American government.
 
2021-10-20 6:28:50 PM  
Citations needed
 
2021-10-20 6:31:31 PM  

WithinReason: Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.

And yet President Biden is in no hurry to fix that problem.


Dammit.  Biden didn't fix XYZ in the first year of his first term!!  Failure!!!
 
2021-10-20 6:35:20 PM  
Lol.
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2021-10-20 6:46:29 PM  
:...they would violate the First Amendment rights of corporations under Citizens United to spend money in politics."

This is what I find so frustrating about Citizen's United:  every board member that approves every dollar of spending "on behalf of the corporation's 1A rights" -- but each one of those Americans on the boards -- if they're even Americans -- already has individual 1A rights that they are entitled to exercise individually.

Citizen's United allows double-dipping at the 1A trough  - like as if one "dip" was with an 8oz cup -- and the other "dip" is front end loader bucket.

It's illogical that a corporate board of individual American citizens has this much additional influence, so vastly and proportionately far and above every other citizen.

Obama was right and Alito was wrong.
 
2021-10-20 6:51:20 PM  
Does that include family members, like fathers-in-law?   Asking for Mitch McConnell.
 
2021-10-20 6:53:59 PM  
Key word being "may," subby.
 
2021-10-20 6:54:56 PM  
Not this court
 
2021-10-20 7:02:37 PM  
"But they'll leave the door open for bribing judges"
 
2021-10-20 7:03:42 PM  

Geotpf: I don't like it.

That's why the Open Society II case is so important: it indicates that foreign corporations cannot raise First Amendment objections to U.S. laws or policies.

So, the government can shut down or censor any foreign news source because the first amendment doesn't apply to them?  Say, do an nationwide IP block on The Guardian?

Nope, I don't like it one bit.


Yeah, it's a dumb idea.  The Constitution protects people in America, not just citizens.  That's gone through the courts a zillion times.
 
2021-10-20 7:03:43 PM  

RasIanI: :...they would violate the First Amendment rights of corporations under Citizens United to spend money in politics."

This is what I find so frustrating about Citizen's United:  every board member that approves every dollar of spending "on behalf of the corporation's 1A rights" -- but each one of those Americans on the boards -- if they're even Americans -- already has individual 1A rights that they are entitled to exercise individually.

Citizen's United allows double-dipping at the 1A trough  - like as if one "dip" was with an 8oz cup -- and the other "dip" is front end loader bucket.

It's illogical that a corporate board of individual American citizens has this much additional influence, so vastly and proportionately far and above every other citizen.

Obama was right and Alito was wrong.


These are the same people that are convinced that taxing capital gains is "double taxing"
 
2021-10-20 7:05:56 PM  

Northern: WithinReason: Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.

And yet President Biden is in no hurry to fix that problem.

Dammit.  Biden didn't fix XYZ in the first year of his first term!!  Failure!!!


I know!  Utopia delayed is Utopia betrayed!  Who knew he was a secret fascist Republican?
 
2021-10-20 7:09:24 PM  

whither_apophis: RasIanI: :...they would violate the First Amendment rights of corporations under Citizens United to spend money in politics."

This is what I find so frustrating about Citizen's United:  every board member that approves every dollar of spending "on behalf of the corporation's 1A rights" -- but each one of those Americans on the boards -- if they're even Americans -- already has individual 1A rights that they are entitled to exercise individually.

Citizen's United allows double-dipping at the 1A trough  - like as if one "dip" was with an 8oz cup -- and the other "dip" is front end loader bucket.

It's illogical that a corporate board of individual American citizens has this much additional influence, so vastly and proportionately far and above every other citizen.

Obama was right and Alito was wrong.

These are the same people that are convinced that taxing capital gains is "double taxing"


I talked to a kinda drunk guy at a bar one afternoon who was griping that if he won thousands of dollars at a casino he'd have to pay taxes on what he won.  But if he lost thousand of dollars in a casino he doesn't get tax money back.  That's just not fair.  So I had the bartender change the channel to Batman the Animated Series and we watched Catwoman be all sexy and he shut up.
 
2021-10-20 7:11:17 PM  
Have politicians take vows of poverty and chastity.  Don't vote for people who won't. Included in the vows should be vows of bloody painful suicide if they break the other cows.

Problem solved.
 
2021-10-20 7:11:45 PM  
I guess we will see how many pee tapes the Russians have on the supreme court.
 
2021-10-20 7:13:43 PM  

Northern: WithinReason: Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.

And yet President Biden is in no hurry to fix that problem.

Dammit.  Biden didn't fix XYZ in the first year of his first term!!  Failure!!!


There are some things that can wait.  Protecting elections is not on that list.  That includes making sure enforcement of current campaign laws isn't toothless.  The House and Senate are in precarious positions and there's an election next year.  If protections aren't in place in time, Republicans will do everything they can to ensure protections are never put in place and that elections will be purely performative to maintain the illusion of legitimacy.

Procrastination isn't acceptable in this.
 
2021-10-20 7:14:17 PM  

My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: freetomato: Corporations are people.

Persons. Not people. Persons.

And really only maybe. As far as I know no one has ever tested it.



Texas hasn't executed one yet...
 
2021-10-20 7:15:18 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have politicians take vows of poverty and chastity.  Don't vote for people who won't. Included in the vows should be vows of bloody painful suicide if they break the other cows.

Problem solved.


Counterpoint:  Those farking cows deserved to be broken.  They know what they did.
 
2021-10-20 7:21:46 PM  
Blahphukingblah. Money is NOT speech and Corporations are not "persons". I don't care what the court fascists say.
 
2021-10-20 7:23:09 PM  
Good lord.  What have the Irish done now?
 
2021-10-20 7:25:56 PM  

Aquapope: whither_apophis: RasIanI: :...they would violate the First Amendment rights of corporations under Citizens United to spend money in politics."

This is what I find so frustrating about Citizen's United:  every board member that approves every dollar of spending "on behalf of the corporation's 1A rights" -- but each one of those Americans on the boards -- if they're even Americans -- already has individual 1A rights that they are entitled to exercise individually.

Citizen's United allows double-dipping at the 1A trough  - like as if one "dip" was with an 8oz cup -- and the other "dip" is front end loader bucket.

It's illogical that a corporate board of individual American citizens has this much additional influence, so vastly and proportionately far and above every other citizen.

Obama was right and Alito was wrong.

These are the same people that are convinced that taxing capital gains is "double taxing"

I talked to a kinda drunk guy at a bar one afternoon who was griping that if he won thousands of dollars at a casino he'd have to pay taxes on what he won.  But if he lost thousand of dollars in a casino he doesn't get tax money back.  That's just not fair.  So I had the bartender change the channel to Batman the Animated Series and we watched Catwoman be all sexy and he shut up.


He's also wrong. You can deduct gambling losses if you itemize, you just also have to have gambling winnings to offset them.

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419
 
2021-10-20 7:27:15 PM  
Only registered voters should be allowed to contribute to politicians.
 
2021-10-20 7:28:58 PM  

bluenovaman: Only registered voters should be allowed to contribute to politicians.


All registered voters?  I can think of 70 million or so that should be barred.
 
2021-10-20 7:32:27 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Have politicians take vows of poverty and chastity.  Don't vote for people who won't. Included in the vows should be vows of bloody painful suicide if they break the other cows.

Problem solved.


You posted blithering nonsense that will never happen and declare problem solved?

Oh, username checks out.
 
2021-10-20 7:33:29 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: bluenovaman: Only registered voters should be allowed to contribute to politicians.

All registered voters?  I can think of 70 million or so that should be barred.


Not saying I want the GQP folks to have any sway but if they're legally registered they should be allowed.

The Republican party should be RICO'd as they're nothing but criminals IMHO.
 
2021-10-20 7:34:56 PM  

bluenovaman: AmbassadorBooze: bluenovaman: Only registered voters should be allowed to contribute to politicians.

All registered voters?  I can think of 70 million or so that should be barred.

Not saying I want the GQP folks to have any sway but if they're legally registered they should be allowed.

The Republican party should be RICO'd as they're nothing but criminals IMHO.


Just have them made illegal.  The Insurrectionists are a health danger, therefore the CDC has authority.  Have the CDC Gitmo the danger.

Problem solved.
 
2021-10-20 7:37:41 PM  

3rd world republipuke: Blahphukingblah. Money is NOT speech and Corporations are not "persons". I don't care what the court fascists say.


No one said corporations are people. That's a talking post made up by people who don't understand the ruling. The issue at hand is a company like AT&T-Time Warner could dedicate limitless airtime on CNN shilling for its corporate interests because "freedom of the press!" but if Sprint bought the equivalent amount of ad time on CNN to shill for its interests, it would be breaking all kinds of finance laws.

Effectively the court said that there is no difference between opinion journalism and outright advocacy, and that trying to restrict one but not the other because a transfer of money pays for it is not a fair distinction.

And if you want to argue that money and speech are not interrelated, let's see how many people you reach with word of mouth while I use my printing press.
 
2021-10-20 7:44:17 PM  

Shaggy_C: 3rd world republipuke: Blahphukingblah. Money is NOT speech and Corporations are not "persons". I don't care what the court fascists say.

No one said corporations are people. That's a talking post made up by people who don't understand the ruling. The issue at hand is a company like AT&T-Time Warner could dedicate limitless airtime on CNN shilling for its corporate interests because "freedom of the press!" but if Sprint bought the equivalent amount of ad time on CNN to shill for its interests, it would be breaking all kinds of finance laws.

Effectively the court said that there is no difference between opinion journalism and outright advocacy, and that trying to restrict one but not the other because a transfer of money pays for it is not a fair distinction.

And if you want to argue that money and speech are not interrelated, let's see how many people you reach with word of mouth while I use my printing press.


Corporations aren't people?  In CA the person known as PG&E pled guilty to burning people alive.  Sure, its lawyer did the actual uttering of the words, but it did plead guilty.  If it wasn't a person, how could it plead guilty?  Do non persons have the ability to plead guilty to murder?
 
2021-10-20 7:59:56 PM  
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2021-10-20 8:04:27 PM  
Are they trying to put Hunter Biden out of work? That just doesn't seem right.
 
2021-10-20 8:05:03 PM  

KCinPA: Are they trying to put Hunter Biden out of work? That just doesn't seem right.


Artists can be out of work?
 
2021-10-20 8:05:30 PM  

Shaggy_C: No one said corporations are people. That's a talking post made up by people who don't understand the ruling.


Romney: Corporations Are People, My Friend.
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2021-10-20 8:10:39 PM  
Wow - the "progressive" strategy of voting Republican to punish the Democrats for not being radical enough sure has paid off!
Too bad about all those dumb biatches losing their reproductive rights - but they should have voted for Bernie.
Oh well - I'm just happy to be a smug, comfortable white man, who will not personally suffer from any of this.
I am very intelligent.
 
2021-10-20 8:20:04 PM  

uknesvuinng: Northern: WithinReason: Snapper Carr: They can safely make that ruling because the FEC currently has about as much power as a crossing guard.

And yet President Biden is in no hurry to fix that problem.

Dammit.  Biden didn't fix XYZ in the first year of his first term!!  Failure!!!

There are some things that can wait.  Protecting elections is not on that list.  That includes making sure enforcement of current campaign laws isn't toothless.  The House and Senate are in precarious positions and there's an election next year.  If protections aren't in place in time, Republicans will do everything they can to ensure protections are never put in place and that elections will be purely performative to maintain the illusion of legitimacy.

Procrastination isn't acceptable in this.


Forgive my potential misunderstanding... isn't Biden effectively the head of the executive branch?  My understanding is that while the President has the power of enforcement of current laws, the President doesn't get to MAKE law.  Or force states to play be certain rules, except maybe by withholding Federal funding, and that is a biiiiiiiiiiiiig nasty step, and unlikely to gain support.

So...  Biden can indeed fix certain things, namely stuff like how ICE or other executive functions work, and should be roundly excoriated for bad things that happen under his watch, though frankly the long term damage from Trump is ridiculous, effectively institutional, and much of it now protected by law.  Biden tends to play by the rules, such as they are, so fixing stuff will be SLOW.

Its actually rather nice to have a President who doesn't think he should be an absolute dictator, and I would NOT want that much power to accrue to that office, since, regrettably, the orange, fatfingered shiategibbon might actually win the next one.  The less LEGAL power he has, the more he can be slowed down when he tries to set ALL THE THINGS on farking fire.
 
2021-10-20 8:21:19 PM  

mithras_angel: My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: freetomato: Corporations are people.

Persons. Not people. Persons.

And really only maybe. As far as I know no one has ever tested it.


Texas hasn't executed one yet...


They are a few months from killing Planned Parenthood.
 
2021-10-20 8:31:50 PM  

dsmith42: mithras_angel: My Klezmer Metal Cover Band: freetomato: Corporations are people.

Persons. Not people. Persons.

And really only maybe. As far as I know no one has ever tested it.


Texas hasn't executed one yet...

They are a few months from killing Planned Parenthood.


Is PP a person?  Like the same way PG&E is a person just like you and me?  Or is PP just a business entity?  If so, PP should become a real person, just like PG&E.  In doing so they get all the benefit but none of the downside.  Real corporate people cannot be executed or even imprisoned.  But they can give money to govoners so that they real corporate person stays out of prison, even if they burn people alive and are on probation and then burn more peole alive.

Every corporation should trans substantiate into a real person .
 
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