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(Al Jazeera)   Russia welcomes Taliban efforts to stabilize Afghanistan, will next offer praise to cigarette companies for their attempts to cure cancer and Brian Laundrie's work in feeding alligators   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-10-20 11:25:34 AM  
Russia is the arms dealer for the Taliban, so they are getting a kick back out of this.
 
2021-10-20 5:38:03 PM  
Have the Russians praised Biden Pelosi for such a good job handling the US economy?
 
2021-10-20 5:39:02 PM  
Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Iran and formerly Soviet Central Asian states Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan joined the Taliban

Where's my fainting couch?
 
2021-10-20 5:41:40 PM  
Well repressive theocracies are usually stable.
 
2021-10-20 5:49:54 PM  

RepoManTSM: Well repressive theocracies are usually stable.


Except for that one time when uncles and nephews couldn't agree on the succession.  Or all during the centuries from about 700 to 1500 when caliphates and popes would come and go.
 
2021-10-20 6:06:14 PM  
The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.
 
2021-10-20 6:09:19 PM  

Stantz: Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Iran and formerly Soviet Central Asian states Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan joined the Taliban

Where's my fainting couch?


They sell them on Talibanistan.com
 
2021-10-20 6:09:37 PM  
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Happy to see David Cross getting work.
 
2021-10-20 6:10:14 PM  
I've been slow on the uptake - like 45 years slow - but I'm starting to think the Mujahadeen/Taliban are playing both sides.
 
2021-10-20 6:11:34 PM  
Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Iran and formerly Soviet Central Asian states Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan joined the Taliban in calling for the UN to convene such a conference as soon as possible to help rebuild the country.

They said it should take place "with the understanding, of course, that the main burden ... should be borne by the forces whose military contingents have been present in this country over the past 20 years"

Translated:

"After creating a failed government and artificially propping it up for 20 years, the US and NATO need to fund the replacement Afghan failed government forever!"


This is why it was necessary to leave Afghanistan. Russia and China routinely criticized how American kept occupying Afghanistan.  Now Afghanistan can be run by Afghans like the Taliban, Russia, and China wanted. Afghanistan is your problem now.
 
2021-10-20 6:17:40 PM  

A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.


The Taliban has held power before, and they never "pray all their problems away". They try to blow them up or shoot them. Don't think their religious extremist trappings keeps them from behaving like the fascist warlords they actually are.
 
2021-10-20 6:26:01 PM  

EdgeRunner: A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.

The Taliban has held power before, and they never "pray all their problems away". They try to blow them up or shoot them. Don't think their religious extremist trappings keeps them from behaving like the fascist warlords they actually are.


Which is different from conservatives in any country anywhere forever....how?  Conservatives in America are little different, and only our laws against rape, torture, civil rights and human trafficking prevent them from behaving in the exact same manner as the Taliban.

Conservatives ALL trade in fear and violence.  It's all they know.  Accepting blame for their own failures simply isn't in their vocabulary, no matter what country or religion they're in.
 
2021-10-20 6:27:18 PM  
Can you buy ammo for M-4 from Russia?

Russia:. We see all these photos of your soldiers and they're carrying M-4s. Whatever did we do to make you lose faith in the AK? Was it too reliable? Too easy to use?  Was it too maintenance free?  Please. We need to know the answers.
 
2021-10-20 6:31:14 PM  

A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.


Are you not aware that these people used to rule Afghanistan? The ignorance of Western leftists is surpassed only by their belief that the rest of the world requires their wisdom.
 
2021-10-20 6:34:59 PM  
Hey, you think we can dupe Russia into bringing bellbottoms back if we all loudly proclaim how against them we are?
 
2021-10-20 6:52:17 PM  
I'm horrified at how much of the world is willing to ignore the fact that these people are terrorists. Legit terrorists.
 
2021-10-20 6:54:39 PM  
You broke it, you bought it Taliban.
 
2021-10-20 7:05:38 PM  
It's funny reading the racist comments here after reading a non-racist take on the whole situation, written by an actual Afghani.

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/tariq-​a​li-afghan-war-us-imperialism
 
2021-10-20 8:24:56 PM  
We should have won the Afghanistan war.  One way or the other.  We should have either made Afghanistan a sausage party and evacuated all the women and girls or nuked the place.

No more losing wars.  Either sausage party the enemy or nuke the enemy.
 
2021-10-20 8:25:31 PM  

austerity101: I'm horrified at how much of the world is willing to ignore the fact that these people are terrorists. Legit terrorists.


The Russians?
 
2021-10-20 8:30:08 PM  

guinsu: It's funny reading the racist comments here after reading a non-racist take on the whole situation, written by an actual Afghani.

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/tariq-a​li-afghan-war-us-imperialism


Wow, he starts out with a flat-out lie.

It's the fact that the United States, together with its NATO allies, occupied a relatively small country in Asia, stayed there for twenty years, and ultimately were forced to leave after a six- or seven-day offensive by the Taliban

You must be pretty pleased with having found a source that tells you exactly what you want to hear.
 
2021-10-20 8:49:04 PM  

A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.


Authoritarian conservatives are fundamentally incapable of governing, by definition. Because the problems we face in objective reality do not respond to being screamed at to go away because Daddy Authority says to.
 
2021-10-20 10:23:49 PM  

A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.


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2021-10-21 12:14:34 AM  

erik-k: A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.

Authoritarian conservatives are fundamentally incapable of governing, by definition. Because the problems we face in objective reality do not respond to being screamed at to go away because Daddy Authority says to.


That sounds very similar to the childish view of authority that anti-vaxxers take towards vaccine mandates. Objective reality is nowhere near as simplistic nor as easily categorized as you seem to believe.
 
2021-10-21 12:56:51 AM  
so can the US taxpayers have their 5.8 trillion back from the US fedmilgov trying to 'stabilize' Afghanistan for the last 20 years?
 
2021-10-21 8:55:36 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: We should have won the Afghanistan war.  One way or the other.  We should have either made Afghanistan a sausage party and evacuated all the women and girls or nuked the place.

No more losing wars.  Either sausage party the enemy or nuke the enemy.


And that's the reason why we've lost wars in recent history.  Everyone seems to think we can have a nice, clean war with no casualties outside of the actual people shooting at us.  While that's a nice thought and all, it's pretty simplistic and childish.  The only way you "win" a war is by making sure that the other group is either to weak, or too scared to ever try again.  The only reason we "won" WWII is because we were bombing the crap out of everything, both military and civilian.  And, after nearly all men of fighting age from Germany had been either killed or captured, they just didn't have the ability to put up a meaningful fight anymore.  On the other side, we lost in Vietnam because we tried to play nice (officially).  Yes, I know there were a lot of atrocities that happened, but on the official side, we were trying to limit all military actions to military targets.  But, once you kill some kid's dad, then the kid wants to fight.  When you kill him, then his mother, sister, brother, etc. wants to fight.  The only way we could have won was with a scorched earth policy.  Same thing in Afghanistan.  You really want the Taliban gone?  Scorched earth anywhere that supports them.  Leave no animals, people, crops, infrastructure or anything else.  When they're hungry enough, they'll either give up or leave.

Heliodorus: Russia, China, Pakistan, India, Iran and formerly Soviet Central Asian states Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan joined the Taliban in calling for the UN to convene such a conference as soon as possible to help rebuild the country.

They said it should take place "with the understanding, of course, that the main burden ... should be borne by the forces whose military contingents have been present in this country over the past 20 years"

Translated:

"After creating a failed government and artificially propping it up for 20 years, the US and NATO need to fund the replacement Afghan failed government forever!"


This is why it was necessary to leave Afghanistan. Russia and China routinely criticized how American kept occupying Afghanistan.  Now Afghanistan can be run by Afghans like the Taliban, Russia, and China wanted. Afghanistan is your problem now.


Yep.  Fully agree with you there.  We spent a bunch of money improving life over there as best we could, and build infrastructure and everything else.  Now the Taliban has blown up a bunch of it, and wants us to keep paying them to rebuild it.  That's like some teenager who got a car from dad, who grows up and moves out.  Then he totals the car, and tells his dad that he has to buy him a new car, because he wouldn't have had the old car without dad getting it in the first place.  Total bullshiat.


guinsu: It's funny reading the racist comments here after reading a non-racist take on the whole situation, written by an actual Afghani.

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/tariq-a​li-afghan-war-us-imperialism


Ah, yes.  Anti-vaxxer logic here.  Let's ignore all the facts and news articles from 100 different organizations, and just go with the one single article that supports MY opinion on it.  After all, if I agree with it, I must be right.  And no, I didn't make it all the way through.  Once I read enough of the bullshiat and lies that have easily verifiable facts, I decided it wasn't worth my time.
 
2021-10-21 10:14:29 AM  

Klyukva: A Cave Geek: The Taliban has become the dog that caught the bumper.  They're facing all the issues conservatives always face when they gain power.  They think they can pray it all away, and do whatever they want ind "god" will magically save them, all the while having no clue how finance, diplomacy, strategy, and economics actually work.

Conservatives.  Failures since time immemorial.

Are you not aware that these people used to rule Afghanistan? The ignorance of Western leftists is surpassed only by their belief that the rest of the world requires their wisdom.


I'm saying let them fail.  Let them find out.  Stop feeding the conservative trolls.  Let them 'bootstrap' their way out.  We've wasted enough money on conservatives.

// I'm also of the opinion we do the same thing with red states here at home.  Take all their 'lib' money away, and let them figure it out for themselves.
 
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