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(Times of Israel)   Israeli justice minister drafts bill that would block Bibi -- um, any lawmaker charged with a serious crime -- from becoming prime minister in the future. Yofi   (timesofisrael.com) divider line
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2021-10-20 4:46:28 AM  
This is significant.

Right now, Bibi is the head of the Likud and leader of the opposition. If this bill becomes law, then Bibi would not be eligible to become prime minister after an election -- even if his party or coalition gains a majority.

So, if this bill passes, then the Likud will be forced to elect a new leader. And Bibi's career will then almost surely be over.

/ subby
 
2021-10-20 4:52:36 AM  
Voting against something like this should be politically problematic.. 'No!  I love being ruled over by felons!', but I imagine some may run with 'Let the voters decide!'.
 
2021-10-20 4:57:16 AM  

Alphax: Voting against something like this should be politically problematic.. 'No!  I love being ruled over by felons!', but I imagine some may run with 'Let the voters decide!'.


When I asked pro-Bibi (and pro-Trump) brainwashed ex-friends here how someone under indictment for serious crimes should be able to continue to be prime minister, this was their response:

"The allegations are exaggerated, politically motivated, and supported by a hostile media."

There is absolutely no getting through to these people.
 
2021-10-20 6:48:20 AM  
Charged? Or found guilty? The former would be dangerous.
 
2021-10-20 7:06:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: Charged? Or found guilty? The former would be dangerous.


So would the latter
 
2021-10-20 7:17:06 AM  

Alphax: Voting against something like this should be politically problematic.. 'No!  I love being ruled over by felons!', but I imagine some may run with 'Let the voters decide!'.


Yes, let the voters decide, but you find the one thing that happens again and again in corrupt democracies, is that the corrupt politicians get to decide who votes for them.  In America it is gerrymandering and voter suppression.  In Israel, they go so far as to deny certain blocks of people the right to meaningful representation based on their religion.
 
2021-10-20 7:24:55 AM  

winedrinkingman: In Israel, they go so far as to deny certain blocks of people the right to meaningful representation based on their religion.


Every citizen of the State of Israel -- whether Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Druze, or anything else -- has the full right to vote.

Again:

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2021-10-20 7:25:36 AM  
Walla
 
2021-10-20 7:25:46 AM  
Having the barrier be an indictment, at least if Israel's system is anything like the US, seems pretty low and open to future abuse. It would be fairly easy for a corrupt government to just charge serious challengers with crimes to remove them from the running.
 
2021-10-20 7:27:15 AM  

bostonguy: This is significant.

Right now, Bibi is the head of the Likud and leader of the opposition. If this bill becomes law, then Bibi would not be eligible to become prime minister after an election -- even if his party or coalition gains a majority.

So, if this bill passes, then the Likud will be forced to elect a new leader. And Bibi's career will then almost surely be over.

/ subby


Good.

Netanyahu's policies have helped extremists find two generations worth of recruits for their causes. I personally feel like he is responsible for the deaths of far more Israeli citizens than any of the "terrorists" I've heard him screaming about for most of my life.

I'm sure there are plenty of other monsters in Likud, but hopefully something like that happening would push some more of them into retirement.
 
2021-10-20 7:38:48 AM  
All I know is my f*cking Christmas lights better not be tangled this year or else.
 
2021-10-20 7:40:36 AM  

Shaggy_C: Charged? Or found guilty? The former would be dangerous.


The law's current draft states: a parliament member who was officially charged with a 3 years or more jail time offense can't become Prime Minister and form a government.
But there are some conditions: the offense must be of the 'Kalon' type (something ethics/morals relates). Also the head of the Central Elections Committee can still allow this person to form a government based on specific circumstances of his charges as this can be obviously abused by political rivals.
There are already laws preventing people with these types of offenses from holding public office, just not Prime Minister. it's nothing new. I personally think this law should have passed years ago.
 
2021-10-20 7:45:18 AM  
Good. Now do that in the US.
 
2021-10-20 7:56:19 AM  
bostonguy:

Every citizen of the State of Israel

The problem is there's a population of people living in territory Israel has de facto control over whom they do not allow to vote.
 
2021-10-20 8:00:53 AM  
Here's hoping Gideon Sa'ar doesn't get done the way Bibi did Rabin.
 
2021-10-20 8:03:22 AM  

Murkanen: bostonguy:

Every citizen of the State of Israel

The problem is there's a population of people living in territory Israel has de facto control over whom they do not allow to vote.


Those people vote in elections for the Palestinian Authority -- well, whenever the PA decides to hold elections. They were supposed to have them almost a decade ago, I think.
 
2021-10-20 8:05:09 AM  
Charged or convicted?  Because I can forsee a way to eliminate your opponent in the future.  Especially if you've got favours owed by the legal system.
 
2021-10-20 8:07:19 AM  
Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.
 
2021-10-20 8:26:48 AM  

bostonguy: winedrinkingman: In Israel, they go so far as to deny certain blocks of people the right to meaningful representation based on their religion.

Every citizen of the State of Israel -- whether Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Druze, or anything else -- has the full right to vote.

Again:

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2021-10-20 8:29:01 AM  

wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.


Jinx
 
2021-10-20 8:29:23 AM  
Why is this a thing?  Shouldn't Bibi and his wife be in prison by now?
 
2021-10-20 8:34:17 AM  
Can they block his son, Yair as well?
 
2021-10-20 8:47:32 AM  

wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.


Yes a ban on convicted criminals holding office is such a great idea. We need to make sure we don't get any more Nelson Mandelas or Mahatma Gandhis running around.
 
2021-10-20 9:03:45 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.

Yes a ban on convicted criminals holding office is such a great idea. We need to make sure we don't get any more Nelson Mandelas or Mahatma Gandhis running around.


At no point did Gandhi hold elected office.  All his work was on his own dime.
 
2021-10-20 9:40:21 AM  

geggy: Can they block his son, Yair as well?


Between that racist loudmouth prick and Bolsonaro, they're really poisoning the well on the name Yair.

// Hebrew for "shine" or "enlighten" (3rd person, future tense)
 
2021-10-20 9:51:56 AM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.

Jinx


I blame my phone for slowing down my typing.
 
2021-10-20 9:54:16 AM  

phalamir: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.

Yes a ban on convicted criminals holding office is such a great idea. We need to make sure we don't get any more Nelson Mandelas or Mahatma Gandhis running around.

At no point did Gandhi hold elected office.  All his work was on his own dime.


D'oh, you're right. He was elected President of the Indian National Congress but stepped aside and Nehru was the first PM. Who, I might point out, would also have been ineligible to hold office as he too was a convicted criminal.
 
2021-10-20 10:22:30 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: phalamir: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.

Yes a ban on convicted criminals holding office is such a great idea. We need to make sure we don't get any more Nelson Mandelas or Mahatma Gandhis running around.

At no point did Gandhi hold elected office.  All his work was on his own dime.

D'oh, you're right. He was elected President of the Indian National Congress but stepped aside and Nehru was the first PM. Who, I might point out, would also have been ineligible to hold office as he too was a convicted criminal.


You do realize there is a difference between being convicted of being a peacenik and being charged with so much corruption even Boss Tweed thinks you're shady, right?  For your example to have more weight, you need to compare Bebe to Indira Gandhi - or Eichmann
 
Juc
2021-10-20 11:02:03 AM  
So long as "serious" crime doesn't degrade to like jaywalking or something during negotiations, I'm surprised they didn't have stuff like this already.
having a criminal as a leader isn't really great for any group, well maybe it's ok for the mafia, sorta baked in with that group.
 
2021-10-20 11:32:53 AM  
They should draft and pass a bill blocking Bibi from holding any gov positions in the future because he's an asshole.

//haha your god hates you
 
2021-10-20 12:53:56 PM  
[MV] BIBI(비비) _ BAD SAD AND MAD
Youtube q36iGiqoCXM
 
2021-10-20 1:02:25 PM  

Be polite walk on the right: They should draft and pass a bill blocking Bibi from holding any gov positions in the future because he's an asshole.


Just to be fair, some assholes have done good things.

LBJ brought civil rights in the 1960s, but he also liked literally pissing on the Secret Service agents with him in bathrooms. And there was more stuff.

/ a US history major told me that once
 
Juc
2021-10-20 1:22:26 PM  

bostonguy: Be polite walk on the right: They should draft and pass a bill blocking Bibi from holding any gov positions in the future because he's an asshole.

Just to be fair, some assholes have done good things.

LBJ brought civil rights in the 1960s, but he also liked literally pissing on the Secret Service agents with him in bathrooms. And there was more stuff.

/ a US history major told me that once


LBJ was in love with his dick and figured everybody else should be as well.
An odd one for sure.
 
2021-10-20 2:10:16 PM  

bostonguy: Murkanen: bostonguy:

Every citizen of the State of Israel

The problem is there's a population of people living in territory Israel has de facto control over whom they do not allow to vote.

Those people vote in elections for the Palestinian Authority -- well, whenever the PA decides to hold elections. They were supposed to have them almost a decade ago, I think.


The PA is no more in charge of that territory than the NA are in charge of Afghanistan.

People who have sovereign control over their own territory don't have to beg for access to water because some bureaucrat is scared that kids might throw water balloons at tanks, nor are they limited to shallow coastal areas out of fear of getting blown up by war ships put there to prevent any one from escaping and/or getting supplies.
 
2021-10-20 2:21:48 PM  

phalamir: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: phalamir: Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: wage0048: Charged or actually convicted?

If it's a ban on convicted criminals for holding office, I'm all for it, but if it bars people who are only chargedwith serious crimes from holding office, I'd have a problem with that as it would become a political weapon rather than being used to actually fight corruption.

Yes a ban on convicted criminals holding office is such a great idea. We need to make sure we don't get any more Nelson Mandelas or Mahatma Gandhis running around.

At no point did Gandhi hold elected office.  All his work was on his own dime.

D'oh, you're right. He was elected President of the Indian National Congress but stepped aside and Nehru was the first PM. Who, I might point out, would also have been ineligible to hold office as he too was a convicted criminal.

You do realize there is a difference between being convicted of being a peacenik and being charged with so much corruption even Boss Tweed thinks you're shady, right?  For your example to have more weight, you need to compare Bebe to Indira Gandhi - or Eichmann


You do realize that neither the bill in the article nor the comment to which I was replying talk about a "peacenik" crime exemption list?

If you want a good example of these laws in action, head to Russia. Opposition leader Alexei Navalny is barred from running against Putin after being convicted of embezzlement and given a 5-year suspended sentence in a trial that was completely fraudulent.

Of course, I can't imagine any other government like the US or Israel framing an opposition leader. It's not like the FBI was heavily involved with efforts to discredit the Civil Rights Movement.

Nope, you're right. It's entirely safe to trust that no government would ever abuse the justice system with false convictions just to eliminate a political rival.
 
2021-10-20 10:57:40 PM  
RIP Gideon Sa'ar.

Place your bets:
Bullet
Car bomb
Airplane "accident"
 
2021-10-21 8:17:16 AM  

NephilimNexus: RIP Gideon Sa'ar.

Place your bets:
Bullet
Car bomb
Airplane "accident"


D. All of the above
 
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