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(Guardian)   If you had COVID over a year ago, and don't need a vaccine because you now have immunity through natural antibodies, scientists say "um, about that"   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-10-20 7:52:09 AM  
So, it'll be like annual flu shots, then.
 
2021-10-20 8:00:05 AM  
This is my trainer, and surprisingly, most fitness professionals. The intersection of health and fitness is very slim. It's wild because she has a master's degree in exercise science.
 
2021-10-20 8:03:03 AM  
Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.
 
2021-10-20 8:04:43 AM  
 
2021-10-20 8:38:32 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.


That's cool, at least I know I got 14 months B4 I get it again

/Vaccinated
//Pfizer
///Got it anyway, kicked my ass
 
Xai [recently expired TotalFark]
2021-10-20 8:57:03 AM  
let them die off.

Darwin in action.
 
2021-10-20 9:13:50 AM  

question_dj: This is my trainer, and surprisingly, most fitness professionals. The intersection of health and fitness is very slim. It's wild because she has a master's degree in exercise science.


"Exercise Science". Bwah.

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2021-10-20 9:24:00 AM  
Just get the farking shot, already, you farking snowflakes.
 
2021-10-20 9:26:08 AM  

IlGreven: So, it'll be like annual flu shots, then.


Yes.  Because people refused to do the bare minimum to not make it annual.
 
2021-10-20 9:58:02 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.


difficulty, alberta
 
2021-10-20 10:10:19 AM  
Not only haven't I gotten COVID-19, I don't know anyone who has* - in my very small circle of friends. Wife and I have received both Moderna shots and it sounds like I'll be able to get a booster soon. I probably don't need it, but I wouldn't skip it any more than I would skip annual flu shots.  Vaccines are war games for your immune system.

*One person I knew may have died from it, but she had so many health problems, that without a definite test (this was Jan 2020) who's to know?
 
2021-10-20 10:12:10 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.


It's a global world, covid is not going away.
Just get your shots when you're told to, it's all you can do considering the vast number of worldwide  anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, covid deniers, etc.
 
2021-10-20 10:12:59 AM  
FTFA: ""The major implications are that if you haven't been vaccinated, you should get vaccinated, and if you've been infected, you should go ahead and get vaccinated anyway, because that will extend the duration of your protection"

Annual shots, like flu.

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Juc
2021-10-20 10:48:33 AM  
Pfft, everybody knows that when you get a cold, you never get another cold for as long as you live.
Like the various poxes.
 
2021-10-20 11:10:41 AM  

lindalouwho: Bennie Crabtree: Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.

It's a global world, covid is not going away.
Just get your shots when you're told to, it's all you can do considering the vast number of worldwide  anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, covid deniers, etc.


Well, you could support mandatory vaccination in the face of a serious public health threat.

Otherwise what we're facing is a world where when you get old or really sick, you wait for COVID to finish you off when pre-COVID you might have lived quite a bit longer.
 
2021-10-20 11:14:57 AM  
Last I read they called the coupling of immunity from infection and immunity from the vaccination "Super human levels of immunity".

Get your damn shot!

//My mother is still, STILL dragging her feet. She's closing in on 70 as well, so I am naturally worried about her.
 
2021-10-20 11:22:56 AM  
I had a "breakthrough" case about 7 months of getting my second moderna vaccination and I'm winding if that means I should need or don't need a booster if they become a requirement. Good luck on finding reliable information on that. Thanks plague rats.
 
2021-10-20 12:40:22 PM  
I think the takeaway is that we found the cure for the common cold, and people will still turn it down. Which is roughly like turning down free bacon. You could have that wonderful bacon, but you can up with some bullshiat reason to turn it down.
 
2021-10-20 1:42:01 PM  
This has been established for a very long time. It's why the natural immunity people are totally full of crap, because there isn't any lasting natural immunity. This is nothing new, but the mouth breathers don't listen to no fancy book learnin'!
 
2021-10-20 1:42:53 PM  
This is nothing new. We have known this for quite some time. This is why the natural immunity folks are full of crap. It doesn't exist, but they don't listen to any fancy book learnin'!
 
2021-10-20 2:54:33 PM  

iaazathot: This has been established for a very long time. It's why the natural immunity people are totally full of crap, because there isn't any lasting natural immunity. This is nothing new, but the mouth breathers don't listen to no fancy book learnin'!


I tell people I get my natural immunity the modern way: no risky viruses needed.
 
2021-10-20 3:57:20 PM  

Unsung_Hero: lindalouwho: Bennie Crabtree: Well, we've known since mid-2020 that doctors were already observing reinfections (despite the breathless lectures on the Fark STEM tab that was impossible). A 16 month immunity limit is a new plot twist, though. A general limit on the population's antibodies is a worst-case scenario. This is why we needed to prevent Covid from becoming endemic.

The implications for public policy should lead to some sort of prosecutions. For instance, this summer, Alberta's provincial government decided to switch strategy to governing as if Covid was endemic, contained, and mild. It was not endemic, yet; the efficacy of immunity was uncertain; they let Covid spread again. Now that we know the limit on immunity is a mere 16 months, it is time to get medieval on government cabinet ministers who chose to let Covid become endemic instead of choosing to eradicate it by enforcing quarantines and lockdowns.

It's a global world, covid is not going away.
Just get your shots when you're told to, it's all you can do considering the vast number of worldwide  anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, covid deniers, etc.

Well, you could support mandatory vaccination in the face of a serious public health threat.

Otherwise what we're facing is a world where when you get old or really sick, you wait for COVID to finish you off when pre-COVID you might have lived quite a bit longer.


I do support it. I am old. And I know that, at least in the US, it would take a miracle to get past all of the hurdles already known to succeed with implementing "mandatory" precautions.
Mandatory is in quotes because of of the backlash, refusal, defiance, and lawsuits already associated with trying mandates to control this beast.
 
2021-10-20 7:12:07 PM  

lindalouwho: Unsung_Hero: 

Well, you could support mandatory vaccination in the face of a serious public health threat.

Otherwise what we're facing is a world where when you get old or really sick, you wait for COVID to finish you off when pre-COVID you might have lived quite a bit longer.

I do support it. I am old. And I know that, at least in the US, it would take a miracle to get past all of the hurdles already known to succeed with implementing "mandatory" precautions.
Mandatory is in quotes because of of the backlash, refusal, defiance, and lawsuits already associated with trying mandates to control this beast.


Oh, whee, lawsuits by people who haven't heard of the precedent of Jacobson v. Massachusetts all the way back in nineteen-ought-five.  In which the Supreme Court held that yes, the government does have a compelling interest in protecting public health, including by vaccine mandates, and that someone who refused could face actual penalties.  It's been settled law for over a century.

Justice Breyer denied review of a lawsuit by medical workers in Maine just yesterday.  He knows the precedent.
Justice Sotomayor denied review of a lawsuit by teachers in New York three weeks ago.  She knows the precedent.
Even Trump-appointed Justice Barrett denied review of a lawsuit by people at Indiana University all the way back in August.

It's only even a partisan issue in the mind of death-cultists.
 
2021-10-20 8:01:38 PM  

dbirchall: lindalouwho: Unsung_Hero: 

Well, you could support mandatory vaccination in the face of a serious public health threat.

Otherwise what we're facing is a world where when you get old or really sick, you wait for COVID to finish you off when pre-COVID you might have lived quite a bit longer.

I do support it. I am old. And I know that, at least in the US, it would take a miracle to get past all of the hurdles already known to succeed with implementing "mandatory" precautions.
Mandatory is in quotes because of of the backlash, refusal, defiance, and lawsuits already associated with trying mandates to control this beast.

Oh, whee, lawsuits by people who haven't heard of the precedent of Jacobson v. Massachusetts all the way back in nineteen-ought-five.  In which the Supreme Court held that yes, the government does have a compelling interest in protecting public health, including by vaccine mandates, and that someone who refused could face actual penalties.  It's been settled law for over a century.

Justice Breyer denied review of a lawsuit by medical workers in Maine just yesterday.  He knows the precedent.
Justice Sotomayor denied review of a lawsuit by teachers in New York three weeks ago.  She knows the precedent.
Even Trump-appointed Justice Barrett denied review of a lawsuit by people at Indiana University all the way back in August.

It's only even a partisan issue in the mind of death-cultists.


I know the lawsuits are bullshiat, especially the ones from fricken governors. But, they take time to be settled, appealed, etc.
Real mandates only work as well as the people willing to listen to them, that sucks. I'm lucky enough to live in a city that doesn't complain, and most of us never stopped wearing masks when around other people. The city proper is a little over 70% vaccinated so far.
 
2021-10-21 6:10:15 AM  

Juc: Pfft, everybody knows that when you get a cold, you never get another cold for as long as you live.
Like the various poxes.


Actually, it's kinda true.

The problem is there's hundreds of rhinoviruses and ?? coronaviruses that cause "the" common cold.  You kinda have to catch dozens before you notice, but doctors, nurses, teachers, etc eventually get pretty inoculated.
 
2021-10-21 2:00:16 PM  
I support vaccines and science, but this is why I've self-exiled from society for the last two years. I can't trust the idiots on the Right because 'Murica, and I can't trust the Left because I DON'T like being misled, even if I understand the very childish reason why so many keep doing it. For the group that was all too happy to throw around the phrase "bootlicker" when the Trumpians were all up on that Thin Blue Line--seems like a pot and kettle situation nonstop, now.

A bunch of people all too happy to agree with "comparative" research that actually points towards a risk between 3 and 60 months rather than "16" quoted by the newsbois. The other paper seems to have some wide confidence ratios. I hope everyone is reading the actual research, and not just going by the "journalism" that follows. I'll post some important bits as follows;

Reinfection by SARS-CoV-2 under endemic conditions would likely occur between 3 months and 5·1 years after peak antibody response, with a median of 16 months. This protection is less than half the duration revealed for the endemic coronaviruses circulating among humans (5-95% quantiles 15 months to 10 years for HCoV-OC43, 31 months to 12 years for HCoV-NL63, and 16 months to 12 years for HCoV-229E). For SARS-CoV, the 5-95% quantiles were 4 months to 6 years, whereas the 95% quantiles for MERS-CoV were inconsistent by dataset.

This research was completed with comparative evolutionary analysis of related viruses SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, human coronavirus (HCoV)-229E, HCoV-OC43, and HCoV-NL63.
Link to Research

Then we have this;

The number of reinfections is low overall, and reinfections with a high viral load (which are more likely to cause illness) are even lower. The estimated rate for all reinfections including those with a lower viral load was 11.8 per 100,000 participant days at risk (95% confidence interval: 10.5. to 13.2) over the entire at-risk period.

.01% total risk of reinfection during the testing interval, and .005% risk of of causing "illness" which is probably about the same as vaccination (and likely means continual, updated antibody response without illness). This paper doesn't doesn't do a great job accounting for vaccination status as noted;

Improvements to our modelling approach apply to reinfections analysis based on the COVID-19 Infection Survey, published from 6 October 2021 onwards. Previously, when the number of reinfections was low, we estimated the number of reinfections over time and were unable to consider factors, such as vaccination status, that can influence an individual's risk of experiencing a possible reinfection event. Since we first began monitoring reinfections, they have increased allowing us to estimate reinfection rates in the context of vaccination status, patient-facing occupations, and what type of variant was dominant at the time, as well as other factors.

Details are available in this paper.

You want more of the "middle" on your side? Then don't be dishonest, misleading, or biased in your response to the idiots on the Right. Taking the low road to fight your battles makes you just as much of a problem. You are validating their fears, even if you think you're doing it for the greater good. If OP followed this advice, then the scientists would say, "you might have protection for another 6 months, and maybe as much as 4 years, but it's still a good idea to get vaccinated because it should give you even better protection if you've been naturally infected AND get the shot."

That would be honesty. A half-truth is a whole lie.
 
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