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2021-10-19 11:38:24 PM  
Well, Breyer's  emergency red phone picked up, anyway.
 
2021-10-20 2:07:28 AM  
Promising?
 
2021-10-20 2:07:50 AM  
Ayuh. Having to find a new job's a wicked pissah.
 
2021-10-20 2:10:03 AM  
Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.
 
2021-10-20 2:12:00 AM  

Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.


Maybe we could find alternative work for them that won't endanger the public. I think we should have them dig shallow graves for their fellow anti-vaxxers.
 
2021-10-20 2:18:55 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.

Maybe we could find alternative work for them that won't endanger the public. I think we should have them dig shallow graves for their fellow anti-vaxxers.


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2021-10-20 2:19:15 AM  

Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.


Sounds like a lot of good job openings for people who aren't stupid plague rats.
 
2021-10-20 2:19:32 AM  
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/ass
 
2021-10-20 2:19:54 AM  
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2021-10-20 2:21:04 AM  
Anti-vaxxers and conservative propaganda mills are dragging down society with their obstinate BS. Health or food workers who refuse to wash their hands get fired, it's no different with a pandemic vaccine.
 
2021-10-20 2:21:32 AM  
Good.

Regular testing doesn't necessarily prevent the spread of the virus, since a positive result would mean that a person already has it at detectable levels, and likely has already had a chance to unknowingly infect others.
 
2021-10-20 2:26:25 AM  
Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers
 
2021-10-20 2:34:01 AM  

MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers


They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.
 
2021-10-20 2:50:00 AM  
"Justice Stephen Breyer rejected the emergency appeal"

He was on duty and decided not to decide anything. SCOTUS didn't weigh in at all on this.
 
2021-10-20 3:13:42 AM  
Y'know, if I was morally* unable to do a fundamental part of my job (like 'take precautions so I don't farking infect people, especially those at their most vulnerable, you farking twats'), I would just...leave that job, or not have taken it in the first place, rather than demand everyone ELSE just deal with it. But then, I'm not a selfish prick of a death cultist.

/*Not that morals have anything to actually do with it. It's just "virtue"-signaling/attention whoring.
 
2021-10-20 3:21:54 AM  

recondite cetacean: "Justice Stephen Breyer rejected the emergency appeal"

He was on duty and decided not to decide anything. SCOTUS didn't weigh in at all on this.


Rejecting an emergency appeal is still a decision.  Not a full court ruling of law decision, but an important decision nonetheless considering this was a statewide action, differing from earlier emergency appeal rejections regarding a city (NY teachers) and university (Indiana university).
 
2021-10-20 3:31:20 AM  

Bukharin: Gordon Bennett: Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.

Maybe we could find alternative work for them that won't endanger the public. I think we should have them dig shallow graves for their fellow anti-vaxxers.

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How much longer will it be before these are autonomous?

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2021-10-20 3:32:24 AM  
The idea of RWNJs in health care is terrifying. Wonder how many libs they subtly cull every year.
 
2021-10-20 3:37:41 AM  

dark brew: recondite cetacean: "Justice Stephen Breyer rejected the emergency appeal"

He was on duty and decided not to decide anything. SCOTUS didn't weigh in at all on this.

Rejecting an emergency appeal is still a decision. Not a full court ruling of law decision, but an important decision nonetheless considering this was a statewide action, differing from earlier emergency appeal rejections regarding a city (NY teachers) and university (Indiana university).


"The lower court's decision was obviously correct.  That is the official SCOTUS decision.  Also, several of us are busy butt-chugging beer, sexually harassing women, being Evangelical cultists, and NOT RETIRING SO BIDEN CAN APPOINT SOMEONE YOUNGER."
 
2021-10-20 3:58:10 AM  
Good. Let them rot.
And then they can tot in their own personal hell for eternity,
Fark any healthcare professional that is not professional, do you want some echinacea?
No I want to punch you in the face.
 
2021-10-20 3:58:13 AM  
There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.
 
2021-10-20 3:59:34 AM  

SpecialSnowFlake: Ayuh. Having to find a new job's a wicked pissah.


Speaking of tell your mom I said hi.
 
2021-10-20 4:07:46 AM  

recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.


you tell Um lawer law or guy
Umjection🌈
 
2021-10-20 4:19:40 AM  
I still don't get how anyone can object to the vaccine.
 
2021-10-20 4:30:00 AM  

rubi_con_man: I still don't get how anyone can object to the vaccine.


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That's how.
 
2021-10-20 5:17:17 AM  
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2021-10-20 5:38:30 AM  
I cannot imagine many medical doctors or nurses refusing the vaccine and I'm pretty sure they're no loss if they get fired.
 
2021-10-20 5:40:14 AM  

recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.


My god you are stupid. If SCOTUS refuses to take it up it means the appeal failed and the lower court ruling stands. IT IS A LEGALLY BINDING ACTION you shiatbrained monkey
 
2021-10-20 5:41:33 AM  

Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.


All those quacks in "America's Frontline Doctors" and "Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance"betraying the trust of their profession by selling scrips for ivermectin and other antivax scams.
 
2021-10-20 6:09:21 AM  

rubi_con_man: I still don't get how anyone can object to the vaccine.


No one really does. The contrarian right is pissypants about it solely and only because they believe if the pfizervax had been released a week before ... Twumpy would have won re-election.

"They shafted my president. They can keep their medicine."
 
2021-10-20 6:41:13 AM  

recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.


It's a doorway TO the Supreme Court, that just got slammed in the antivaxxer's faces.  Sure, it MIGHT open later...but not this time.

/good to know at least ONE high-ranking judge isn't a suicidal moron
 
2021-10-20 6:48:35 AM  

lifeslammer: recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.

My god you are stupid. If SCOTUS refuses to take it up it means the appeal failed and the lower court ruling stands. IT IS A LEGALLY BINDING ACTION you shiatbrained monkey


Who is the shiatbrained monkey here? All Breyer did was deny an emergency order. The only "ruling" that stands is the lower Courts' similar denial of emergency orders. However, they also fast tracked arguments to be heard before the vaccination deadline, making such an emergency order possibly unnecessary. And the article notes that relief may be still be available from SCOTUS if those circumstances change. No decision of any kind was made yet on the merits by any Court. You have no idea what you're talking about and are just another Fark GED in Law trying to "correct" someone who actually does. You know, like a shiatbrained monkey.
 
2021-10-20 6:56:15 AM  

BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.


Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.
 
2021-10-20 7:13:06 AM  
I hear Amazon is hiring.
 
2021-10-20 7:35:14 AM  

PunGent: recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.

It's a doorway TO the Supreme Court, that just got slammed in the antivaxxer's faces.  Sure, it MIGHT open later...but not this time.

/good to know at least ONE high-ranking judge isn't a suicidal moron


This really shouldn't have to be explained to people, but being opposed to any particular state and/or federal vaccine mandate is not at all the same as being anti-vax. And Breyer's decision really doesn't affect the status of this case in any meaningful way at this point. But how exactly would he have presumably been a "suicidal moron" had he granted it?
 
2021-10-20 7:42:26 AM  
maybe they can take their vast medical expertise and start up a big new chiropractic office
 
2021-10-20 8:04:16 AM  
As someone in contact with the management-level in parts of the healthcare/biotech industry, don't think they don't know that this is also a wonderful opportunity to eliminate some of the bigger idiots & behavior problems in their employ.

That ~0.5% or so of antivaxxers can be a good quarter or third of your HR nightmares in general.
 
2021-10-20 8:12:41 AM  
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2021-10-20 8:13:02 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.

Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.


Live in Maine and while I don't work in the Heath care area.  Been lots of talk bout what happen when/if OHSA gets the vaccine mandate going. Out of bout 50 employees at my location.(one store of a bigger company so we be covered by it)  only 7 people that I know of are not vaccinated. 5 are saying things like.

1. they feel that it wasn't tested enough and feel that it to soon for it to be out there. One of them is a mother with kids who has said that she is not anti-vax but she don't trust the gov when they say that its safe and non long term stuff. She said there need to be years worth of test data to show what could happen say a 1 year or so after taking it. And that once that info is know then she get it.

2.  they don't agree with the court saying that the gov can mandate you getting something you don't trust.

3.  2 of them are saying to them start with a mandate for a vaccine and then it snowball into the gov using it to find ways to force other types of stuff to take away our rights.

the other 2 have said they don't really care and just being lazy bout getting it.

its going be fun to watch when it hits how those 5 deal with it.  are they going be willing to pay out $50-100+ a week for the fast test so they don't miss any days of work or get the free test that takes 48-72 hours and miss a few days of work costing them $200+ a week in pay.  will they quit or break and get the vaccine.  one is a the only working for a family of 6.
 
2021-10-20 8:45:38 AM  

lifeslammer: recondite cetacean: There were no arguments and no opinion was written. It's not SCOTUS and it has no weight on future decisions of this nor any other court.

My god you are stupid. If SCOTUS refuses to take it up it means the appeal failed and the lower court ruling stands. IT IS A LEGALLY BINDING ACTION you shiatbrained monkey


One of the SCOTUS justices (Breyer) refused to take up an emergency appeal directly to the court. One justice cannot deny cert but they can deny an emergency appeal. This can still be appealed the normal way, it does not end the case legally. It may well end the case in reality because they're going to shut up and get vaccinated except for the two-three real shiatheads, and Maine should be thankful those two will no longer be harming people.

Emergency stays and appeals are only issued when there are two things - real irreversible harm to the appellant if the current action continues and a good chance that the appellant will succeed in court. Getting fired is not irreversible harm, the court can order rehiring at previous wage and back pay, so if the appellants feel the vaccine is too risky, they can accept termination, prevail in court, and have that termination completely undone.

So, this decision is not final (can be appealed in the normal way) and does not set precedent. It does hint that they probably won't win in the end, but that's it.

Remember: ONE justice cannot set precedent or refuse cert. Any time one justice makes a rulings, it's on an emergency or procedural motion, that's it.
 
2021-10-20 8:47:18 AM  

GregInIndy: As someone in contact with the management-level in parts of the healthcare/biotech industry, don't think they don't know that this is also a wonderful opportunity to eliminate some of the bigger idiots & behavior problems in their employ.

That ~0.5% or so of antivaxxers can be a good quarter or third of your HR nightmares in general.


Just because HR doesn't like them doesn't mean they're not doing good. Try being a union organizer and see how much HR likes you.

HR doesn't work for you, they work for the company. When it was Personnel, it dealt with people. Now it's Human Resources, and resources are meant to be exploited.
 
2021-10-20 8:47:21 AM  
Wanting to be a doctor without getting vaccinated is like wanting to be in the infantry without the possibility of going to war.
 
2021-10-20 9:15:03 AM  

dark brew: recondite cetacean: "Justice Stephen Breyer rejected the emergency appeal"

He was on duty and decided not to decide anything. SCOTUS didn't weigh in at all on this.

Rejecting an emergency appeal is still a decision.  Not a full court ruling of law decision, but an important decision nonetheless considering this was a statewide action, differing from earlier emergency appeal rejections regarding a city (NY teachers) and university (Indiana university).


Based on over 115 years of legal precedence, there was absolutely no reason to waste the SCOTUS' time on this case.  It is constitutional for the government to mandate vaccines and masks.
 
2021-10-20 9:18:37 AM  

BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.


In all the reports I've read on this, the "HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE" biatching about it turn out to be more like tens.  ...and then it's usually only 1 or 2 that lose their jobs.

The largest number I've seen was the nurses at the big hospital company earlier this year.  Something like 12,000 total employees, and a grand total of 300 biatched about it, iirc, and only like 12 actually quit or got fired.
 
2021-10-20 9:19:37 AM  

natazha: dark brew: recondite cetacean: "Justice Stephen Breyer rejected the emergency appeal"

He was on duty and decided not to decide anything. SCOTUS didn't weigh in at all on this.

Rejecting an emergency appeal is still a decision.  Not a full court ruling of law decision, but an important decision nonetheless considering this was a statewide action, differing from earlier emergency appeal rejections regarding a city (NY teachers) and university (Indiana university).

Based on over 115 years of legal precedence, there was absolutely no reason to waste the SCOTUS' time on this case.  It is constitutional for the government to mandate vaccines and masks.


Everyone keeps saying this like precedent matters to the Roberts Court
 
2021-10-20 9:22:49 AM  

My Sober Alt: Bukharin: Gordon Bennett: Smoking GNU: Losing those doctors and nurses might be a loss in terms of manpower but it'd be an absolute win to get these cretins out of the healthcare system.

Maybe we could find alternative work for them that won't endanger the public. I think we should have them dig shallow graves for their fellow anti-vaxxers.

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2021-10-20 9:29:13 AM  

jumac: White_Scarf_Syndrome: BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.

Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.

Live in Maine and while I don't work in the Heath care area.  Been lots of talk bout what happen when/if OHSA gets the vaccine mandate going. Out of bout 50 employees at my location.(one store of a bigger company so we be covered by it)  only 7 people that I know of are not vaccinated. 5 are saying things like.

1. they feel that it wasn't tested enough and feel that it to soon for it to be out there. One of them is a mother with kids who has said that she is not anti-vax but she don't trust the gov when they say that its safe and non long term stuff. She said there need to be years worth of test data to show what could happen say a 1 year or so after taking it. And that once that info is know then she get it.

2.  they don't agree with the court saying that the gov can mandate you getting something you don't trust.

3.  2 of them are saying to them start with a mandate for a vaccine and then it snowball into the gov using it to find ways to force other types of stuff to take away our rights.

the other 2 have said they don't really care and just being lazy bout getting it.

its going be fun to watch when it hits how those 5 deal with it.  are they going be willing to pay out $50-100+ a week for the fast test so they don't miss any days of work or get the free test that takes 48-72 hours and miss a few days of work costing them $200+ a week in pay.  will they quit or break and get the vaccine.  one is a the only working for a family of 6.


No testing option for us. Huge company, factory setting. Not our factory. Factory owners declaring mandatory would be huge. I feel that it's coming down the line.

"I know you gentlemen have been through a lot. And when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS farkING MASK!!!"

Yeah I've had enough. I've explained that they are considered a liability now. For the company and the rest of society. Go be risky somewhere else. I'm done with this damn mask for 12 hours a day.
 
2021-10-20 9:35:07 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: jumac: White_Scarf_Syndrome: BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.

Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.

Live in Maine and while I don't work in the Heath care area.  Been lots of talk bout what happen when/if OHSA gets the vaccine mandate going. Out of bout 50 employees at my location.(one store of a bigger company so we be covered by it)  only 7 people that I know of are not vaccinated. 5 are saying things like.

1. they feel that it wasn't tested enough and feel that it to soon for it to be out there. One of them is a mother with kids who has said that she is not anti-vax but she don't trust the gov when they say that its safe and non long term stuff. She said there need to be years worth of test data to show what could happen say a 1 year or so after taking it. And that once that info is know then she get it.

2.  they don't agree with the court saying that the gov can mandate you getting something you don't trust.

3.  2 of them are saying to them start with a mandate for a vaccine and then it snowball into the gov using it to find ways to force other types of stuff to take away our rights.

the other 2 have said they don't really care and just being lazy bout getting it.

its going be fun to watch when it hits how those 5 deal with it.  are they going be willing to pay out $50-100+ a week for the fast test so they don't miss any days of work or get the free test that takes 48-72 hours and miss a few days of work costing them $200+ a week in pay.  will they quit or break and get the vaccine.  one is a the only working for a family of 6.

No testing option for us. Huge company, factory setting. Not our factory. Factory owners declaring mandatory would be huge. I feel that it's coming down the line.

"I know you gentlemen have been through a lot. And when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS farkING MASK!!!"

Yeah I've had enough. I've explained that they are considered a liability now. For the company and the rest of society. Go be risky somewhere else. I'm done with this damn mask for 12 hours a day.


It's also seriously a money thing. It doesn't take that many workers going down with COVID to start having a noticeable impact on production.

Also, the day will come soon when workplaces without mandates get to pay higher insurance premiums.
 
2021-10-20 9:38:20 AM  

qorkfiend: White_Scarf_Syndrome: jumac: White_Scarf_Syndrome: BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.

Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.

Live in Maine and while I don't work in the Heath care area.  Been lots of talk bout what happen when/if OHSA gets the vaccine mandate going. Out of bout 50 employees at my location.(one store of a bigger company so we be covered by it)  only 7 people that I know of are not vaccinated. 5 are saying things like.

1. they feel that it wasn't tested enough and feel that it to soon for it to be out there. One of them is a mother with kids who has said that she is not anti-vax but she don't trust the gov when they say that its safe and non long term stuff. She said there need to be years worth of test data to show what could happen say a 1 year or so after taking it. And that once that info is know then she get it.

2.  they don't agree with the court saying that the gov can mandate you getting something you don't trust.

3.  2 of them are saying to them start with a mandate for a vaccine and then it snowball into the gov using it to find ways to force other types of stuff to take away our rights.

the other 2 have said they don't really care and just being lazy bout getting it.

its going be fun to watch when it hits how those 5 deal with it.  are they going be willing to pay out $50-100+ a week for the fast test so they don't miss any days of work or get the free test that takes 48-72 hours and miss a few days of work costing them $200+ a week in pay.  will they quit or break and get the vaccine.  one is a the only working for a family of 6.

No testing option for us. Huge company, factory setting. Not our factory. Factory owners declaring mandatory would be huge. I feel that it's coming down the line.

"I know you gentlemen have been through a lot. And when you find the time I'd rat ...


already happening some places.  you see the story now and then bout places saying anyone without a vaccine get to pay x amount extra each month to make up the cost of the medical insurance.
 
2021-10-20 9:48:45 AM  

qorkfiend: White_Scarf_Syndrome: jumac: White_Scarf_Syndrome: BafflerMeal: MaliFinn: Just get the motherfarking vaccine, losers

They will. Almost no one is actually going to stand their ground over this.

Got about 2 weeks until deadline at my job. Hearing a lot of noise, but I doubt they'll leave.

Live in Maine and while I don't work in the Heath care area.  Been lots of talk bout what happen when/if OHSA gets the vaccine mandate going. Out of bout 50 employees at my location.(one store of a bigger company so we be covered by it)  only 7 people that I know of are not vaccinated. 5 are saying things like.

1. they feel that it wasn't tested enough and feel that it to soon for it to be out there. One of them is a mother with kids who has said that she is not anti-vax but she don't trust the gov when they say that its safe and non long term stuff. She said there need to be years worth of test data to show what could happen say a 1 year or so after taking it. And that once that info is know then she get it.

2.  they don't agree with the court saying that the gov can mandate you getting something you don't trust.

3.  2 of them are saying to them start with a mandate for a vaccine and then it snowball into the gov using it to find ways to force other types of stuff to take away our rights.

the other 2 have said they don't really care and just being lazy bout getting it.

its going be fun to watch when it hits how those 5 deal with it.  are they going be willing to pay out $50-100+ a week for the fast test so they don't miss any days of work or get the free test that takes 48-72 hours and miss a few days of work costing them $200+ a week in pay.  will they quit or break and get the vaccine.  one is a the only working for a family of 6.

No testing option for us. Huge company, factory setting. Not our factory. Factory owners declaring mandatory would be huge. I feel that it's coming down the line.

"I know you gentlemen have been through a lot. And when you find the time I'd rat ...


Yep. My kid missed a week of school because of an ear infection. He was fine. Too many symptoms. I had to miss a week of work because of some 24 hour virus thingy that wasn't covid. Too many symptoms. The company has had to shell out hundreds and hundreds of hours of pay for people who did not have covid but weren't allowed on site because of too many symptoms. That's not even counting the people who did get covid. They think they are protected now. For now they are. A year from now?

Babies. Manbabies, all of them.
 
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