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2021-10-19 5:04:56 PM  
God I'm tired
 
2021-10-19 7:58:27 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2021-10-19 8:14:40 PM  

Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.


Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.
 
2021-10-19 8:19:14 PM  

baka-san: God I'm tired


Dont worry the planet is going to kill us all soon and we can rest
 
2021-10-19 8:21:12 PM  
Several Farkers have repeatedly pointed out over the past few weeks that it isn't just Manchin and Sinema--there are a number of asshole Democrats who would happily step up to torpedo anything that doesn't help corporations and their wallet. Looks like we found another one.

To me, it looks like the centrists are trying to start an intra-party war. Sadly, they'd probably win, despite being vastly outnumbered, because ultimately leadership will side with them and demand once again that progressives give up the things that they want, that would actually help the country, because keeping money flowing to rich people is more important.
 
2021-10-19 8:22:01 PM  
They having a difficult time looking around and seeing what's going on? What's their plan of action when the southwest goes negative water supply in a few years? F*cking assholes.
 
2021-10-19 8:22:35 PM  
Oh, and I bet this is at least partially in response to Sanders' opinion piece.
 
2021-10-19 8:22:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.


To be fair...

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2021-10-19 8:23:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.


Did you get her fifty page canned reply already? God, I hate her.
 
2021-10-19 8:24:23 PM  
Just give it to them
What a farking mess
 
2021-10-19 8:25:26 PM  
First farking thing they were going to drop is some of the environmental stuff.  What with all these other debts, it's always "too soon."
 
2021-10-19 8:26:35 PM  
This will be a fun thread.

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2021-10-19 8:26:51 PM  

Karma Chameleon: baka-san: God I'm tired

Dont worry the planet is going to kill us all soon and we can rest


Oh, you never know. We might have a shot at some sort of post-apocalyptic dystopia, clinging to a thin rim of habitability around the Arctic Circle northern ocean.

ELDERSPEAKER KLEZ: 好的孩子们! 谁准备好今晚的合唱了? 我们将从第 24 页开始:你不可能总是得到你想要的。
 
2021-10-19 8:28:49 PM  
They might as well say they're in favor of burning the planet and every living thing on it.
 
2021-10-19 8:30:08 PM  

Karma Chameleon: baka-san: God I'm tired

Dont worry the planet is going to kill us all soon and we can rest


Not soon enough
 
2021-10-19 8:30:56 PM  
I'm fairly sure this kind of crap is farking up my stomach. Literally killing me.
 
2021-10-19 8:32:14 PM  

SplittingAces: This will be a fun thread.

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Don't worry, we will wait for you and others to start to defend these actions as "Do what Manchin and Tester want so we can get these bills passed", and not caring how it affects the future, just as long as your comfortable now.
 
2021-10-19 8:33:40 PM  

austerity101: Several Farkers have repeatedly pointed out over the past few weeks that it isn't just Manchin and Sinema--there are a number of asshole Democrats who would happily step up to torpedo anything that doesn't help corporations and their wallet. Looks like we found another one.

To me, it looks like the centrists are trying to start an intra-party war. Sadly, they'd probably win, despite being vastly outnumbered, because ultimately leadership will side with them and demand once again that progressives give up the things that they want, that would actually help the country, because keeping money flowing to rich people is more important.


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2021-10-19 8:34:09 PM  

austerity101: Several Farkers have repeatedly pointed out over the past few weeks that it isn't just Manchin and Sinema--there are a number of asshole Democrats who would happily step up to torpedo anything that doesn't help corporations and their wallet. Looks like we found another one.

To me, it looks like the centrists are trying to start an intra-party war. Sadly, they'd probably win, despite being vastly outnumbered, because ultimately leadership will side with them and demand once again that progressives give up the things that they want, that would actually help the country, because keeping money flowing to rich people is more important.


This is really by design. The Democrats want you to focus on Manchin and Sinema so that the other 6 "moderate" Senators don't have to go on record as being overtly obstructionist.

Tester of Montana. Shaheen from New Hampshire. Hassan of New Hampshire. Angus King of Maine. Carper of Delaware. Coons of Delaware.

These are the obstructionists who would be blocking progressive legislation even if Manchin and Sinema were non-factors.
 
2021-10-19 8:35:14 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.


She's already voted for it. Hell, she helped negotiate it. Water infrastructure is in the bill currently waiting in the House for a vote. Currently Democratic Leadership is preventing it from being voted on.

"Makes the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history, delivering clean water to millions of families "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-r​o​om/statements-releases/2021/07/28/fact​-sheet-historic-bipartisan-infrastruct​ure-deal/
 
2021-10-19 8:37:21 PM  

powhound: They having a difficult time looking around and seeing what's going on? What's their plan of action when the southwest goes negative water supply in a few years? F*cking assholes.


The plan is for powerful, wealthy, and influential people to move and for less wealthy people to get the fark outta the way.

Oh you mean their plan for you?  Work, pay taxes, then die...preferably after you pay your taxes.   But the important thing is, you're not their problem.
 
2021-10-19 8:38:55 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: SplittingAces: This will be a fun thread.

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Don't worry, we will wait for you and others to start to defend these actions as "Do what Manchin and Tester want so we can get these bills passed", and not caring how it affects the future, just as long as your comfortable now.


I have never "defended these actions". Mocking Fark "progressives" (not actual progressives) is a completely different sport.

Enjoy your wankfest.
 
2021-10-19 8:39:06 PM  
There is overwhelming consensus among scientists and economists that our climate targets won't be reached without some form of carbon pricing.

There is overwhelming opposition to carbon taxes among the general public, and even here on Fark. Perhaps hatred of Joe Manchin will finally be enough to open some eyes on this?

I spent a lot of time pointing out how a Carbon Tax & Dividend is one of the most effective and progressive ways to address the climate crisis, and MAN did that rustle some jimmies haha
 
2021-10-19 8:41:50 PM  

Avigdore: Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.

She's already voted for it. Hell, she helped negotiate it. Water infrastructure is in the bill currently waiting in the House for a vote. Currently Democratic Leadership is preventing it from being voted on.

"Makes the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history, delivering clean water to millions of families "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-ro​om/statements-releases/2021/07/28/fact​-sheet-historic-bipartisan-infrastruct​ure-deal/


And it will never make it out of the House if BBB dies in the Senate.
 
2021-10-19 8:45:22 PM  

Gaythiest Elitist: Avigdore: Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.

She's already voted for it. Hell, she helped negotiate it. Water infrastructure is in the bill currently waiting in the House for a vote. Currently Democratic Leadership is preventing it from being voted on.

"Makes the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history, delivering clean water to millions of families "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-ro​om/statements-releases/2021/07/28/fact​-sheet-historic-bipartisan-infrastruct​ure-deal/

And it will never make it out of the House if BBB dies in the Senate.


Yes, we're all aware of the current hostage situation.
 
2021-10-19 8:46:14 PM  

SplittingAces: DarkSoulNoHope: SplittingAces: This will be a fun thread.

[Fark user image 316x315]

Don't worry, we will wait for you and others to start to defend these actions as "Do what Manchin and Tester want so we can get these bills passed", and not caring how it affects the future, just as long as your comfortable now.

I have never "defended these actions". Mocking Fark "progressives" (not actual progressives) is a completely different sport.

Enjoy your wankfest.


Right... And I am sure you can explain to us the difference between "Fark "progressives"" and "actual progressives" without us being able to dispute it and/or laugh in your face.
 
2021-10-19 8:46:32 PM  

anjin-san: There is overwhelming consensus among scientists and economists that our climate targets won't be reached without some form of carbon pricing.

There is overwhelming opposition to carbon taxes among the general public, and even here on Fark. Perhaps hatred of Joe Manchin will finally be enough to open some eyes on this?

I spent a lot of time pointing out how a Carbon Tax & Dividend is one of the most effective and progressive ways to address the climate crisis, and MAN did that rustle some jimmies haha


A carbon tax is a great idea, but unfortunately it contains the word tax. Combine that and some senators from coal producing states, and the Democrats needing all 50 senators to agree, and the result seems pretty predictable. The smart moves would be to get what they can now and/or broaden their appeal so they aren't relying on such a thin margin in the future. The dumb move will be advocated for at length in this thread.
 
2021-10-19 8:47:40 PM  
I was born a few years after Halley's Comet passed by. As a kid I thought about how I'd see it when reached retirement age. Now I just hope I die before total ecological collapse makes living on this planet a complete nightmare.

Sigh. I guess I'll call my representatives again.
 
2021-10-19 8:47:48 PM  
If we don't get serious about transferring wealth, this climate change thing is going to get out of control.
 
2021-10-19 8:49:20 PM  

Avigdore: Gaythiest Elitist: Avigdore: Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.

She's already voted for it. Hell, she helped negotiate it. Water infrastructure is in the bill currently waiting in the House for a vote. Currently Democratic Leadership is preventing it from being voted on.

"Makes the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history, delivering clean water to millions of families "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-ro​om/statements-releases/2021/07/28/fact​-sheet-historic-bipartisan-infrastruct​ure-deal/

And it will never make it out of the House if BBB dies in the Senate.

Yes, we're all aware of the current hostage situation.


Hostage situation would have never occurred if Manchin and Sinema stuck to the deal. But unlike Republicans, they aren't Susan Collins where they emote "concern" and then vote with their party anyway, they continuously vote the way Republicans want rather than what Biden is pushing for (or even what they are pushing for, Manchin earlier in the year called for a $4 trillion dollar stimulus bill, now he pulls away the football).
 
2021-10-19 8:50:11 PM  
Everyone American in here voted in support of Joe Biden with full knowledge that he wasn't passing a tax, including a carbon tax, on people making under $400k, right?
 
2021-10-19 8:51:32 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Hostage situation would have never occurred if Manchin and Sinema stuck to the deal


Manchin never made any deal. I'm not sure about Sinema. Got any evidence?
 
2021-10-19 8:51:33 PM  

BigGrnEggGriller: If we don't get serious about transferring wealth, this climate change thing is going to get out of control.


Yes, disingenuous capitalists do like to frame 'holding corporations accountable and making them pay to fix the problems they caused' as just 'transferring wealth'.
 
2021-10-19 8:52:47 PM  
UGH...."any type of a tax is going to be passed on to the people." I'm sick of hearing this. They need to make some sorta law that would prevent this.
 
2021-10-19 8:53:13 PM  

Weatherkiss: austerity101: Several Farkers have repeatedly pointed out over the past few weeks that it isn't just Manchin and Sinema--there are a number of asshole Democrats who would happily step up to torpedo anything that doesn't help corporations and their wallet. Looks like we found another one.

To me, it looks like the centrists are trying to start an intra-party war. Sadly, they'd probably win, despite being vastly outnumbered, because ultimately leadership will side with them and demand once again that progressives give up the things that they want, that would actually help the country, because keeping money flowing to rich people is more important.

This is really by design. The Democrats want you to focus on Manchin and Sinema so that the other 6 "moderate" Senators don't have to go on record as being overtly obstructionist.

Tester of Montana. Shaheen from New Hampshire. Hassan of New Hampshire. Angus King of Maine. Carper of Delaware. Coons of Delaware.

These are the obstructionists who would be blocking progressive legislation even if Manchin and Sinema were non-factors.


I don't think either of them would be as egregious as the duo of Manchinema. They may be conservative Democrats, but they aren't media whores either and a good obstructionist is a media whore by virtue.
 
2021-10-19 8:53:45 PM  

Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Hostage situation would have never occurred if Manchin and Sinema stuck to the deal

Manchin never made any deal. I'm not sure about Sinema. Got any evidence?


It was voted on 50 - 49, along party lines. Manchin and Sinema both voted for the framework, now they are reneging.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/11/senat​e​-passes-3point5-trillion-budget-resolu​tion-after-infrastructure-bill.html
 
2021-10-19 8:54:37 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Manchin earlier in the year called for a $4 trillion dollar stimulus bill, now he pulls away the football


Then he voted for and helped pass a $1.9T stimulus bill passed and he voted for the $1.5T infrastructure bill. Quick math tells me he'd have no problem with a $.6T reconciliation bringing that total to $4T
 
2021-10-19 8:57:21 PM  

Gaythiest Elitist: Avigdore: Nadie_AZ: Walker: This is why we can't have nice things.

Why? I didn't vote for these jackasses and yet I'm stuck with their paid off asses controlling the legislative branch.

I also let Sinema know I thought she was a fool and the state needs that water infrastructure money.

She's already voted for it. Hell, she helped negotiate it. Water infrastructure is in the bill currently waiting in the House for a vote. Currently Democratic Leadership is preventing it from being voted on.

"Makes the largest investment in clean drinking water and waste water infrastructure in American history, delivering clean water to millions of families "
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-ro​om/statements-releases/2021/07/28/fact​-sheet-historic-bipartisan-infrastruct​ure-deal/

And it will never make it out of the House if BBB dies in the Senate.


And the point of shooting the hostage is...?
 
2021-10-19 8:57:52 PM  
FTFA: "I just don't think it works the way it was explained to me" - John Testes, (D)ick Morontana

What that fark does that even mean? How does it work, then? Who explained it to you? Why don't you understand it yourself, you ignorant farkstick. Did an energy company lobbyist explain it to you as you did a line off a hooker's ass? Tell us who explained it to you, so we can ream them, too. Tell us how it was explained to you. You farking coward.

farking 'stupid people will think i'm being pragmatic' bullshiat. Your constituents can't spell pragmatic and thing carbon tax is going to make barbecuing more expensive.
 
2021-10-19 8:58:15 PM  

AlAlvin: UGH...."any type of a tax is going to be passed on to the people." I'm sick of hearing this. They need to make some sorta law that would prevent this.


Corporations are people too, my friend.
 
2021-10-19 8:58:56 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Hostage situation would have never occurred if Manchin and Sinema stuck to the deal

Manchin never made any deal. I'm not sure about Sinema. Got any evidence?

It was voted on 50 - 49, along party lines. Manchin and Sinema both voted for the framework, now they are reneging.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/11/senate​-passes-3point5-trillion-budget-resolu​tion-after-infrastructure-bill.html


The framework provides the basis for the negotiation to generate the actual reconciliation bill. It literally provides the framework for the committees to finalize what can be in the bill. That's the process that is happening right now, Senators are negotiating on the contents of the reconciliation bill. The framework is a MAX, not a given.
 
2021-10-19 8:59:47 PM  
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2021-10-19 9:00:42 PM  

Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Manchin earlier in the year called for a $4 trillion dollar stimulus bill, now he pulls away the football

Then he voted for and helped pass a $1.9T stimulus bill passed and he voted for the $1.5T infrastructure bill. Quick math tells me he'd have no problem with a $.6T reconciliation bringing that total to $4T


The bill only contains $550 billion in new spending ($.55T), alot of the rest is coming from "unused COVID funds" from the $1.9 trillion COVID emergency funds bill. Plus it's a 10 year plan, meaning $150 billion a year, while we currently have put forth $715 billion in one year for 2021 spending on military expenditures, while we just stopped fighting a war (we increased military spending after stop fighting a war).

https://www.investopedia.com/here-s-w​h​at-s-in-the-usd1-trillion-infrastructu​re-bill-passed-by-the-senate-5196817

Manchin is disingenuous about what he's supporting.
 
2021-10-19 9:00:53 PM  

JAGChem82: Weatherkiss: austerity101: Several Farkers have repeatedly pointed out over the past few weeks that it isn't just Manchin and Sinema--there are a number of asshole Democrats who would happily step up to torpedo anything that doesn't help corporations and their wallet. Looks like we found another one.

To me, it looks like the centrists are trying to start an intra-party war. Sadly, they'd probably win, despite being vastly outnumbered, because ultimately leadership will side with them and demand once again that progressives give up the things that they want, that would actually help the country, because keeping money flowing to rich people is more important.

This is really by design. The Democrats want you to focus on Manchin and Sinema so that the other 6 "moderate" Senators don't have to go on record as being overtly obstructionist.

Tester of Montana. Shaheen from New Hampshire. Hassan of New Hampshire. Angus King of Maine. Carper of Delaware. Coons of Delaware.

These are the obstructionists who would be blocking progressive legislation even if Manchin and Sinema were non-factors.

I don't think either of them would be as egregious as the duo of Manchinema. They may be conservative Democrats, but they aren't media whores either and a good obstructionist is a media whore by virtue.


I was told Joe Manchin was a reliable Democratic vote on Legislation That Really Matters™, too. But we've already seen all 8 "moderates" kill the $15 minimum wage, so if they were willing to vote against that kind of common sense legislation, then chances are they are willing to vote against a whole lot more.
 
2021-10-19 9:02:53 PM  
Looks like Tester jumped the gun, he was supposed to wait till Machin fell in line on something so he could rotate in as the obstructionist Dem of the month.
 
2021-10-19 9:02:58 PM  
At this point it's like they want us to race to ecological collapse.
 
2021-10-19 9:03:16 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Manchin earlier in the year called for a $4 trillion dollar stimulus bill, now he pulls away the football

Then he voted for and helped pass a $1.9T stimulus bill passed and he voted for the $1.5T infrastructure bill. Quick math tells me he'd have no problem with a $.6T reconciliation bringing that total to $4T

The bill only contains $550 billion in new spending ($.55T), alot of the rest is coming from "unused COVID funds" from the $1.9 trillion COVID emergency funds bill.


You're right about the repurposing of funds. I guess to reach his $4T you'd need to give him a $1.6T bill for reconciliation. Remind me how much he said was his limit?
 
2021-10-19 9:03:31 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Hostage situation would have never occurred if Manchin and Sinema stuck to the deal

Manchin never made any deal. I'm not sure about Sinema. Got any evidence?

It was voted on 50 - 49, along party lines. Manchin and Sinema both voted for the framework, now they are reneging.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/11/senate​-passes-3point5-trillion-budget-resolu​tion-after-infrastructure-bill.html


Yes, they voted for the framework, but anyone with a brain saw this coming at crunch time. Tester's spouting off now is disappointing, but far from shocking.

/is this me "defending" Manchin again?
 
2021-10-19 9:03:59 PM  
at some point, people will need to deal with environmental terrorists.  And I'm not talking about Greenpeace.
 
2021-10-19 9:04:10 PM  

Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Avigdore: DarkSoulNoHope: Manchin earlier in the year called for a $4 trillion dollar stimulus bill, now he pulls away the football

Then he voted for and helped pass a $1.9T stimulus bill passed and he voted for the $1.5T infrastructure bill. Quick math tells me he'd have no problem with a $.6T reconciliation bringing that total to $4T

The bill only contains $550 billion in new spending ($.55T), alot of the rest is coming from "unused COVID funds" from the $1.9 trillion COVID emergency funds bill.

You're right about the repurposing of funds. I guess to reach his $4T you'd need to give him a $1.6T bill for reconciliation. Remind me how much he said was his limit?


I'd rather give him a kick in the balls, because Manchin is Lucy holding the football, you're just falling for his "concern".
 
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