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2021-10-19 2:46:19 PM  
"Stoned Hominids" just does not roll off the tongue.

Like a half-digested fungus.
 
2021-10-19 2:57:51 PM  
I didn't read all of that, but it sounds like the authors were doing some special pleading.  "We know mushrooms can treat certain mental disorders in certain cases, and they also contain chemicals people use for mental processes - so the only way humans could have evolved is to have been scarfing down mushrooms like Phish concert attendees."  Well, (1) you looked at one possible mechanism and deemed it the only cause by fiat, (2) if mushrooms were that essential to human development, we ought to be so hardwired to consume them as our primary food that they would be the most abundant agricultural product ever, and (3) Phish fans should be solving cryptographic prime factoring almost instantaneously.  At least (2) and (3) are manifestly not true, and you need to show actual evidence beyond a nice just-so story to prove (1).
 
2021-10-19 3:05:08 PM  
Bill Hicks - The stoned ape- theory in 3 minutes
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2021-10-19 3:27:55 PM  
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2021-10-19 3:48:15 PM  
FTFA: "this highly speculative hypothesis has no hard supporting evidence..."

And that's all you need to know.
 
2021-10-19 3:50:48 PM  
...the challenge of survival created a need for greater intelligence, cooperative communications, and social learning.

So 'shroom tripping for cavemen was sort of like Facebook but in reverse?
 
2021-10-19 3:51:07 PM  
"I'm starring in what..?"

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2021-10-19 3:51:15 PM  
More of a wet fart, really
 
2021-10-19 3:51:18 PM  
The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.
 
2021-10-19 3:51:21 PM  
Hey man that skips a lot of steps; we haven't even watched "Epoch of Reionization" yet.
 
2021-10-19 3:52:19 PM  

phalamir: I didn't read all of that, but it sounds like the authors were doing some special pleading.  "We know mushrooms can treat certain mental disorders in certain cases, and they also contain chemicals people use for mental processes - so the only way humans could have evolved is to have been scarfing down mushrooms like Phish concert attendees."  Well, (1) you looked at one possible mechanism and deemed it the only cause by fiat, (2) if mushrooms were that essential to human development, we ought to be so hardwired to consume them as our primary food that they would be the most abundant agricultural product ever, and (3) Phish fans should be solving cryptographic prime factoring almost instantaneously.  At least (2) and (3) are manifestly not true, and you need to show actual evidence beyond a nice just-so story to prove (1).


I think the only way we can settle this is to get chimps and gorillas really high and record videos of the results.
 
2021-10-19 3:53:11 PM  
It worked for me.
 
2021-10-19 3:53:12 PM  
McKenna had some goofball ideas. This was one of them.
 
2021-10-19 3:54:43 PM  
Yeah hippies have been spouting this story for ages. My favorite is that the Bible is translated incorrectly and the apple of the tree of knowledge referred not to an "apple" put to the fruit under the tree aka mushrooms and that the psychedelic experience caused by psilocybin is the true "apple of knowledge." So the snake (on the ground) should us the "fruit of the tree" mushrooms and that's how humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil. It's a good STORY.
 
2021-10-19 3:55:58 PM  
While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.
 
2021-10-19 3:56:58 PM  
I've met a lot of hippies in my time who have been suggesting shiat like this for decades.

/stfu and enjoy the psy trance
 
2021-10-19 3:58:44 PM  

Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.


Isn't that how Family Guy is written?
 
2021-10-19 3:59:41 PM  

thanksagainandagain: McKenna had some goofball ideas. This was one of them.


I dunno - the notion that agriculture grew out of a desire for regular access to intoxicants (religious significance) carries more weight for me than growing staple crops.

After that, it makes sense to start growing community and food.
 
2021-10-19 4:00:19 PM  

RTOGUY: The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.


You probably didn't like Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football either, did you?
 
2021-10-19 4:00:43 PM  
Also: The theory doesn't fly when it's pointed out that animals also eat psychedelic mushrooms in abundance (and fermented fruit -- they enjoy them, and actively seek them out a lot of the time) and didn't acquire anywhere near the neurological advances that humans did.

But I do like the anthropological theory that agriculture was developed specifically so humans could make beer.
 
2021-10-19 4:00:45 PM  
So what they claimed about LSD back when

What's the new "enlightener"?
 
2021-10-19 4:00:54 PM  

DRTFA: Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.

Isn't that how Family Guy is written?


I thought they used manatees.  What gets a watercow high?
 
2021-10-19 4:01:32 PM  
It's just Tree-of-life.

Or so the Pak says.
 
2021-10-19 4:02:09 PM  
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2021-10-19 4:02:45 PM  

talkyournonsense: Yeah hippies have been spouting this story for ages. My favorite is that the Bible is translated incorrectly and the apple of the tree of knowledge referred not to an "apple" put to the fruit under the tree aka mushrooms and that the psychedelic experience caused by psilocybin is the true "apple of knowledge." So the snake (on the ground) should us the "fruit of the tree" mushrooms and that's how humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil. It's a good STORY.


Uh, you do realize that the story of the garden of Eden is fan-fic, right?
 
2021-10-19 4:02:59 PM  

Ishkur: Also: The theory doesn't fly when it's pointed out that animals also eat psychedelic mushrooms in abundance (and fermented fruit -- they enjoy them, and actively seek them out a lot of the time) and didn't acquire anywhere near the neurological advances that humans did.

But I do like the anthropological theory that agriculture was developed specifically so humans could make beer.


Neither had they developed opposable thumbs to advantage themselves of insight, nor cranial volume to accomodate larger cortices.
 
2021-10-19 4:04:09 PM  
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2021-10-19 4:04:36 PM  

jackandwater: RTOGUY: The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.

You probably didn't like Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football either, did you?


I wouldn't know because I don't watch football.
 
2021-10-19 4:04:46 PM  

DRTFA: Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.

Isn't that how Family Guy is written?


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2021-10-19 4:06:26 PM  
MAYBE psyc's promoted certain human *advancements*... but the notion that these compounds changed something so fundamental that it kickstarted species-wide evolution?  Gotta be pert near shroomed to the gills to hold onto that theory.

It's one step away from ancient farking astronauts.

No extra-special mechanism is needed to go from our common ancestor to us.  Hell, certain other primate species are believed to be entering their own kind of 'stone-age'.  It's being looked into, anyway, as we observe more tool use and larger community sizes.  And the answer to the question of why no other primate species has managed to do what we did, I point to the fact that we keep farking murdering them.  If we "came of age" in an environment that was being completely destroyed by the very existence of a more advanced species, I dare say we would be LUCKY to be banging rocks together by now.
 
2021-10-19 4:06:47 PM  
It's something we likely won't ever be able to prove or disprove unless we force it to happen on some other primate manually(unlikely since millions of years of evolution cannot be accelerated in such a fashion and computer modeling would be purely speculative and biased by those making the model)
 
2021-10-19 4:07:02 PM  

Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.


Just make sure to be really, really thorough when scoping out possible test locations...

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2021-10-19 4:08:59 PM  
BeesNuts:

Feedback can have near-magical effects. Some of them wildly unpredictable.
 
2021-10-19 4:09:22 PM  

dionysusaur: DRTFA: Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.

Isn't that how Family Guy is written?

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I thought they used manatees.  What gets a watercow high?

life, baby.
 
2021-10-19 4:11:12 PM  

MagicBoris: Snapper Carr: While all of this may sound plausible, the fact remains that there is no solid evidence proving that early hominins consumed mind-altering substances.


Sounds like a grant proposal in the making.

Give me 100k, a dozen chimps and half a ton of fresh psylocybin.

Just make sure to be really, really thorough when scoping out possible test locations...

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An arts and crafts show sounds perfect
 
2021-10-19 4:11:24 PM  

Ishkur: I've met a lot of hippies in my time who have been suggesting shiat like this for decades.

/stfu and enjoy the psy trance


PSY-TRANCE ◉ Tiësto - The Business (2ContexX & Lewii Remix)
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2021-10-19 4:15:35 PM  

phalamir: I didn't read all of that, but it sounds like the authors were doing some special pleading.  "We know mushrooms can treat certain mental disorders in certain cases, and they also contain chemicals people use for mental processes - so the only way humans could have evolved is to have been scarfing down mushrooms like Phish concert attendees."  Well, (1) you looked at one possible mechanism and deemed it the only cause by fiat, (2) if mushrooms were that essential to human development, we ought to be so hardwired to consume them as our primary food that they would be the most abundant agricultural product ever, and (3) Phish fans should be solving cryptographic prime factoring almost instantaneously.  At least (2) and (3) are manifestly not true, and you need to show actual evidence beyond a nice just-so story to prove (1).


What if... and keep with me here... what if #3 actually is true and we just can't understand the steady stream of universal answers coming from their mouths because we're not smart enough?

/woah
 
2021-10-19 4:22:46 PM  

phalamir: I didn't read all of that, but it sounds like the authors were doing some special pleading.  "We know mushrooms can treat certain mental disorders in certain cases, and they also contain chemicals people use for mental processes - so the only way humans could have evolved is to have been scarfing down mushrooms like Phish concert attendees."  Well, (1) you looked at one possible mechanism and deemed it the only cause by fiat, (2) if mushrooms were that essential to human development, we ought to be so hardwired to consume them as our primary food that they would be the most abundant agricultural product ever, and (3) Phish fans should be solving cryptographic prime factoring almost instantaneously.  At least (2) and (3) are manifestly not true, and you need to show actual evidence beyond a nice just-so story to prove (1).


Yeah, I love me some mushrooms, but that sounded like something someone would come up with after eating mushrooms.

Psilocybin is great. But just like weed, people are trying to give them magical properties when the ones they have are plenty.
 
2021-10-19 4:23:08 PM  
I mean i'm not a biologist or someone who pretends to know everything about evolution, but i don't see how this would gel with natural selection, unless somehow you tie it to dudes who really got blitzed being able to pass on their traits more likely.

And having toured with the dead and phish, i can tell you, yeah, you might get laid, but society never would have progressed out of the parking lot if that was the case.
 
2021-10-19 4:23:53 PM  

RTOGUY: The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.


I mean, assuming it was written by people and not some shiatty AI, it was written by apes.
 
2021-10-19 4:24:54 PM  

talkyournonsense: Yeah hippies have been spouting this story for ages. My favorite is that the Bible is translated incorrectly and the apple of the tree of knowledge referred not to an "apple" put to the fruit under the tree aka mushrooms and that the psychedelic experience caused by psilocybin is the true "apple of knowledge." So the snake (on the ground) should us the "fruit of the tree" mushrooms and that's how humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil. It's a good STORY.


Uh, if Rosie Perez says it was a quince, it was.
 
2021-10-19 4:31:26 PM  

dionysusaur: thanksagainandagain: McKenna had some goofball ideas. This was one of them.

I dunno - the notion that agriculture grew out of a desire for regular access to intoxicants (religious significance) carries more weight for me than growing staple crops.

After that, it makes sense to start growing community and food.


I still can't figure out how they knew to grow grain to make booze. All the stuff I can find says that beer production began I'm 5000 BCE but we've only known how it works for about 200 years.

Like did somebody find some grain that had mouldered and fermented and think, "yeah, ill just eat this mush"?
 
2021-10-19 4:31:59 PM  
Well, humans have been using cannabis since they first ventured out of Africa and onto the Hindu Kush and alcohol long before that!  As is often said: "a mind once expanded never returns to its original state"  So who knows what else may have influenced the development of complex language, tool usage and an expanded cranium!  Unfortunately, it probably also gave us religion and sociopaths such as our ex-Dear Leader so nothing good ever comes without an expansion of evil.
 
2021-10-19 4:32:07 PM  

jackandwater: RTOGUY: The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.

You probably didn't like Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football either, did you?


Dennis Miller didn't explain the jokes when the laugh track was done.
 
2021-10-19 4:33:11 PM  

Ishkur: Also: The theory doesn't fly when it's pointed out that animals also eat psychedelic mushrooms in abundance (and fermented fruit -- they enjoy them, and actively seek them out a lot of the time) and didn't acquire anywhere near the neurological advances that humans did.

But I do like the anthropological theory that agriculture was developed specifically so humans could make beer.


It's been a while since college, but isn't the commonly accepted theory that cooking meat resulted in much better nutrition and allow for more brain development in the species?
 
2021-10-19 4:34:21 PM  
Mushrooms (Salt City Orchestra Remix) - Marshall Jefferson vs Noosa Heads
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2021-10-19 4:34:50 PM  

chitownmike: talkyournonsense: Yeah hippies have been spouting this story for ages. My favorite is that the Bible is translated incorrectly and the apple of the tree of knowledge referred not to an "apple" put to the fruit under the tree aka mushrooms and that the psychedelic experience caused by psilocybin is the true "apple of knowledge." So the snake (on the ground) should us the "fruit of the tree" mushrooms and that's how humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil. It's a good STORY.

Uh, you do realize that the story of the garden of Eden is fan-fic, right?


The story of the garden of eden is a meh story, the talking snake is pretty cool, the fan fic is the hippy version which is far more entertaining imo than the original.
 
2021-10-19 4:36:29 PM  
I farking hate "I farking love science!"!
 
2021-10-19 4:39:19 PM  
Will it have a grunttrack?
 
2021-10-19 4:41:23 PM  

RTOGUY: The writers for Big Bang Theory may as well have been apes.


All humans are apes, dear.
 
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