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2021-10-19 12:11:48 PM  
Step 3: Protest taxpayer-funded education
 
2021-10-19 12:27:40 PM  
I too oppose CRT being used in schools.  I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now?  It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors.  Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!
 
2021-10-19 12:50:42 PM  
FTA: For parent Will Johnson, the question about who is in charge of his children's education is simple: "What it comes down to for me, and I think for so many other parents, is who owns the education and the moral formation of our kids? Is it the parents or is it the state?"

Neither; the child owns the education, because the education is given to them.

More seriously, under US law the parent is considered to have a natural duty to give such education (Meyer v. Nebraska 1923); however, the state is also considered to have a compelling interest in ensuring that such education prepares the child for life in the society, and may require instruction on various topics -- especially those pertaining to students' future civic roles and duties. The traditional interest of parents with respect to the upbringing of their children "is not totally free from a balancing process" with a State's interest in universal education (Wisconsin v Yoder, 1972).
 
2021-10-19 12:54:59 PM  

Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools. I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now? It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors. Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!


But the question of the headline isn't about use, but being taught. Shouldn't students still be introduced to how analog phosphor screens were used to turn electrical signals back into images, before discussing more modern ways that science is applied to transmit images?
 
2021-10-19 1:28:31 PM  

Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools.  I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now?  It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors.  Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!


I know you don't get out much into the internets, but you're going to be surprised at how the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is being managed these days.  They seem to have their hands in just about every social issue when they should stick to their core of Beef, Lamb and Minerals.
 
2021-10-19 2:02:42 PM  
"It doesn't really matter who the president is, so much for my day-to-day life, but it really matters who my school board, who my governor is," she continued.

Would actually kind of be good to see more of this.  It's a shame that local news has either disappeared, or sucks.

Douglas County School District superintendent Corey Wise refused multiple interview requests from Fox News.

So what we have here is a story that tells me absolutely nothing specific about what the school is going to do.  Let's argue!  Fight!  Controversy!
 
2021-10-19 2:03:55 PM  
Step 3: Steal underwear?
 
2021-10-19 2:05:38 PM  
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2021-10-19 2:05:55 PM  
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2021-10-19 2:06:35 PM  

dionysusaur: Step 3: Protest taxpayer-funded education


Step 4:  Protest teaching at public schools
 
2021-10-19 2:06:56 PM  

Naido: "It doesn't really matter who the president is, so much for my day-to-day life, but it really matters who my school board, who my governor is," she continued.

Would actually kind of be good to see more of this.  It's a shame that local news has either disappeared, or sucks.

Douglas County School District superintendent Corey Wise refused multiple interview requests from Fox News.

So what we have here is a story that tells me absolutely nothing specific about what the school is going to do.  Let's argue!  Fight!  Controversy!


Yeah, that was a very substance free article.  Heck, it was almost an argument-free article.  There were words, but they meant nothing of significance.
 
2021-10-19 2:07:53 PM  
I mean, critical race theory isn't taught in public schools (below the college level), so isn't there some Streisand effect here? More people googling it and learning about it than if conservatives had shut up? I know that's not the point, and it doesn't matter to them--it's just about whatever buzz word gets conservatives what they want; the meaning behind it and facts about it don't matter. But still. I can hardly think of a more effective way to market CRT than by running a campaign against it. It's like an author who gets approached by every publishing company after they write a book that gets banned somewhere.
 
2021-10-19 2:08:02 PM  
"I think with the pandemic, we were stuck at home with our kids, we had to get more involved in our education, listening to Zoom calls, classes, things like that," said Christa Gilstrap, one of the parents. "Parents started realizing, 'Wait, what is happening?'"

"We just anticipated that our children were going to school just like we did, we're going to learn reading, writing and arithmetic," Douglas County parent Matt Cassady told Fox News. "Everything is going to be fine, they're not teaching indoctrination, nobody's talking about their skin color, nobody's talking about their sexual orientation."
"But come to find out, while we weren't paying attention, it appears that they are," he continued.


It's weird how they have the same narrative that they thought everything was hunky dory but suddenly (DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNN) everything changed!
 
2021-10-19 2:08:42 PM  

Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools.  I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now?  It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors.  Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!


Plus, those things are a hazard.  Imagine if one fell on a kid!
 
2021-10-19 2:10:47 PM  

abb3w: FTA: For parent Will Johnson, the question about who is in charge of his children's education is simple: "What it comes down to for me, and I think for so many other parents, is who owns the education and the moral formation of our kids? Is it the parents or is it the state?"

Neither; the child owns the education, because the education is given to them.

More seriously, under US law the parent is considered to have a natural duty to give such education (Meyer v. Nebraska 1923); however, the state is also considered to have a compelling interest in ensuring that such education prepares the child for life in the society, and may require instruction on various topics -- especially those pertaining to students' future civic roles and duties. The traditional interest of parents with respect to the upbringing of their children "is not totally free from a balancing process" with a State's interest in universal education (Wisconsin v Yoder, 1972).


I agree with you wholeheartedly, unfortunately you are wasting your time trying to make a logical argument to someone who wears the United States flag as clothing. They have already completely eschewed logic and fact-based reasoning in order to make more friends on Facebook.
 
2021-10-19 2:11:21 PM  

Aetre: I mean, critical race theory isn't taught in public schools (below the college level), so isn't there some Streisand effect here? More people googling it and learning about it than if conservatives had shut up? I know that's not the point, and it doesn't matter to them--it's just about whatever buzz word gets conservatives what they want; the meaning behind it and facts about it don't matter. But still. I can hardly think of a more effective way to market CRT than by running a campaign against it. It's like an author who gets approached by every publishing company after they write a book that gets banned somewhere.


I would estimate that the vast majority of non-imaginary anecdotes about the "war on Christmas" relating to schools were directly caused by all the hype about the imaginary ones.
 
2021-10-19 2:11:31 PM  

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I will choose here to be the place to jump in.

No, Mike.  The parents can be partially responsible, and should be.  But in most cases, parents are not qualified on any level at all to teach their children.  If they were, we wouldn't need schools.

Schools have an obligation to teach children, to be prepared to deal with the realities of society and culture.  If the parents are the only ones teaching them, they are not given anything like a clear enough picture.

In short, parents need to be involved.  But they do not need to be the ONLY thing.
 
2021-10-19 2:11:41 PM  
All students should learn CRT!

They should also learn how to compose business documents in WordStar, and change the oil on a daisy wheel printer.
 
2021-10-19 2:13:34 PM  

abb3w: Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools. I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now? It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors. Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!

But the question of the headline isn't about use, but being taught. Shouldn't students still be introduced to how analog phosphor screens were used to turn electrical signals back into images, before discussing more modern ways that science is applied to transmit images?


What do they need to be teaching is that LED monitors just aren't as useful as a more robust CRT monitor for lashing to a chair with 10 lb of C4 to drop down an elevator shaft on Christmas.

/ welcome to the party pal
// almost time to dust off that Christmas classic
///rule of three
 
2021-10-19 2:14:19 PM  

oa330_man: Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools.  I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now?  It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors.  Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!

I know you don't get out much into the internets, but you're going to be surprised at how the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is being managed these days.  They seem to have their hands in just about every social issue when they should stick to their core of Beef, Lamb and Minerals.


I really miss light-hearted thread derailments like this. We need more of this in our society so people can get the sticks out of their asses.
 
2021-10-19 2:14:29 PM  
If you passed around a form allowing parents of school children to opt out of Dihydrogen Monoxide.....some of those dumb F-ers would sign it.
 
2021-10-19 2:16:04 PM  
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2021-10-19 2:16:17 PM  

abb3w: Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools. I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now? It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors. Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!

But the question of the headline isn't about use, but being taught. Shouldn't students still be introduced to how analog phosphor screens were used to turn electrical signals back into images, before discussing more modern ways that science is applied to transmit images?


I worry about the inherent economic cost of such a curriculum. It must be very expensive to pay rent and electricity on the facilities to store the needed equipment.

Perhaps that's just my overhead projection.
 
2021-10-19 2:18:08 PM  

durbnpoisn: fiddlehead: [Fark user image 332x197]

I will choose here to be the place to jump in.

No, Mike.  The parents can be partially responsible, and should be.  But in most cases, parents are not qualified on any level at all to teach their children.  If they were, we wouldn't need schools.

Schools have an obligation to teach children, to be prepared to deal with the realities of society and culture.  If the parents are the only ones teaching them, they are not given anything like a clear enough picture.

In short, parents need to be involved.  But they do not need to be the ONLY thing.


Thank you.

Parents can suggest all they like, sometimes the ideas are pretty good.

In the end the decision of what actually is taught needs to be left in the hands of people who spent their lives studying the science of education and dedicating that life to providing the best education for everybody's students, not just their own.

These assholes would walk into the cockpit of The airliner they are on and demand to take the seat simply because they think the flight is taking too long.
 
2021-10-19 2:19:25 PM  

PirateKing: abb3w: Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools. I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now? It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors. Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!

But the question of the headline isn't about use, but being taught. Shouldn't students still be introduced to how analog phosphor screens were used to turn electrical signals back into images, before discussing more modern ways that science is applied to transmit images?

I worry about the inherent economic cost of such a curriculum. It must be very expensive to pay rent and electricity on the facilities to store the needed equipment.

Perhaps that's just my overhead projection.


Think of the money that you are saving on your heating bills with all of those CRTs running all day in that little cramped computer lab.

Suddenly I'm back in my high school in the early 90s. Our computer lab used to be text book storage and had no ventilation.
 
2021-10-19 2:19:31 PM  
Remember when conservatives talked about how they supported equal *opportunities* for everyone, but were careful to specify that it shouldn't be implied that it meant equal *outcomes* for everyone?

Yeah, turns out they were lying. Who knew?
 
2021-10-19 2:19:55 PM  
Every time I read an article like this, it reinforces my decision to not have kids. I can't imagine having to deal with these people.
 
2021-10-19 2:20:29 PM  
"Everything is going to be fine, they're not teaching indoctrination, nobody's talking about their skin color, nobody's talking about their sexual orientation."

So teaching children about what they are already encountering in their lives, such as how this society treats people differently because of how they look or where they came from or what deity the do or do not pray to, or that not everyone is straight is... indoctrination?

This is how we get ignorant people... like these parents.
 
2021-10-19 2:22:12 PM  
Meh. What's a protest meeting without a butt sex lady? I'll tell ya. Boring.

/all meetings need a but sex lady
 
2021-10-19 2:23:29 PM  
The problem is that for every dedicated racist activist there are at least three dopes who just hate teachers for trying to make them read books all those years ago. The fellow travelers are literally useful idiots.
 
2021-10-19 2:23:34 PM  
I must keep my child ignorant or they'll grow up to realize what a petty, stunted, worthless person I am.
 
2021-10-19 2:25:04 PM  
I also think graduate level racial theories should not be taught in grade school.
 
2021-10-19 2:28:44 PM  

Cyberluddite: I too oppose CRT being used in schools.  I mean, come on, old-school tube TVs stopped even being sold in this country, what, close to 15 years ago now?  It's time out kids were shown videos on LCD or LED screens in school, and worked with modern higher-resolution computer monitors.  Our kids deserve updated video equipment now!


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2021-10-19 2:28:48 PM  
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2021-10-19 2:29:49 PM  
"Everything is going to be fine, they're not teaching indoctrination, nobody's talking about their skin color, nobody's talking about their sexual orientation."

That's what I want in education! Just pretend reality doesn't exist and everything will be fine. It's their own damn fault if those loser kids get left behind and fail.
 
2021-10-19 2:30:02 PM  

etoof: Every time I read an article like this, it reinforces my decision to not have kids. I can't imagine having to deal with these people.


Yeah, I thought Common Council and Neighborhood meetings were awful. I've got a couple of years but I'm really, really not looking forward to my first PTA meeting.
 
2021-10-19 2:31:27 PM  
At least FoxNews had an iota of journalistic integrity to bury this in the middle of the article:

"Fox News attended a school board meeting late last month where many voiced support for the policy."

I grew up in an area where public education was valued, and only after I left did I realize how lucky I was.
Now, as a new parent, I know I have to pay very very close attention to these school board races. In my area, I get to vote for 2 seats, call them "D" and "E". 3 candidates are running for each seat.

Seats "D" and "E" each have 1 candidate who is pro-teacher, pro-public-education (these two candidates are running together), and 1 candidate each who is more "parental choice" (these two candidates are also running together, and while they haven't been explicitly racist or anti-mask, my guess is that they fall in that camp).The 3rd candidate for Seat "D" is a complete QAnon anti-masker, whereas the 3rd candidate for Seat "E" is an extremely progressive candidate.My choice for Seat "D" is easy, but unfortunately for Seat "E" I fear that the stealth racist could win by vote-splitting, so I have to vote for the more traditional (less progressive) candidate.Even if you don't have kids, PLEASE pay attention to your school board races.
 
2021-10-19 2:32:14 PM  
I've been kicked out of countless school board and PTA meetings over the past couple years while protesting the teaching of Quantom Physics in the local elementary school. I'm going to be honest with you - I don't know exactly what Quantom Physics is, or even how to spell it properly, but I'm pretty sure it involves Scott Bakula, whom I sometimes confuse with Richard Dean Anderson (who has NOT aged well, let me tell you).  Anyway, the teachers and administrators just keep saying things like "We don't teach that in our school system" or "Please wait your turn to speak" or "Sir, if you don't put your pants back on we will call the police."   So I think I'm a pretty good authority on CRT, and let me tell you, when it comes down to it, I find it is unacceptable to refer to the "three R's " of education. I will not be silenced!  Furthermore, I am not a communist.

Thank you for your time, and god bless America.
 
2021-10-19 2:34:09 PM  
My sis-in-law is a public school teacher in the school system in the article. She's currently dealing with driving to and from work with insane, aggressive parents screaming at her about mask mandates. All she wants is to teach science, and the human shiat she's surrounded by - conservative Christians are screaming lie after lie after lie about what she and her fellow teachers are doing in the classroom.
 
2021-10-19 2:36:04 PM  

etoof: Every time I read an article like this, it reinforces my decision to not have kids. I can't imagine having to deal with these people.


I respect your decision to not have kids. That being said, to reiterate on my previous post, you will have to deal with these people. They get emboldened to run for city council (or worse, Congress), or barring that, they are successful in creating a whole new generation of racist anti-science idiots who will be running the country in a few decades. So please, treat school board elections extremely seriously.
 
2021-10-19 2:38:14 PM  

etoof: Every time I read an article like this, it reinforces my decision to not have kids. I can't imagine having to deal with these people.


Try being a parent and a teacher in the same district.

Really threading the needle here.
 
2021-10-19 2:39:16 PM  
Conservatives have gone from implying they should be treated better than "the others" to explicitly spelling out how they feel they should be treated better than everyone else.
 
2021-10-19 2:40:29 PM  
TFA: The Douglas County school board unanimously passed an equity policy in March, which the district said "will ensure every DCSD student and staff member has access to equitable and rigorous educational opportunities" and will aim to correct any inequities in the school district.

Okay, so this to me reads like they are going to address inequality between schools. Everyone should have equal access to a good education.

These idiot parents read this and thought it meant they would be teaching equality. Like, teaching that blacks and homosexuals are equal to other humans. Furthermore, they thought this was bad.
 
2021-10-19 2:48:43 PM  
i have a 4 y/o in Pre-K, she and all of her classmates wear masks at school even during break.
i guess  what i'm saying is that these people are dumber than 4y/os.

also, i would welcome a couple hours a week of CRT to be taught to these rascally kiddos, if they don't learn history, we are doomed to repeat it.

one more thing, white people are like vaginas, very sensitive.
 
2021-10-19 2:51:58 PM  

Puglio: TFA: The Douglas County school board unanimously passed an equity policy in March, which the district said "will ensure every DCSD student and staff member has access to equitable and rigorous educational opportunities" and will aim to correct any inequities in the school district.

Okay, so this to me reads like they are going to address inequality between schools. Everyone should have equal access to a good education.

These idiot parents read this and thought it meant they would be teaching equality. Like, teaching that blacks and homosexuals are equal to other humans. Furthermore, they thought this was bad.


once that "one" school gets some money to repair something or come up to equal with the other schools, they will fling poo again.
 
2021-10-19 2:52:24 PM  
PARENTSby default.

Always remember to include the last part when describing them to others.
 
2021-10-19 2:52:28 PM  
Not everyone that's against it are Nazis, but all Nazis are against it.
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2021-10-19 2:55:16 PM  

Isitoveryet: i have a 4 y/o in Pre-K, she and all of her classmates wear masks at school even during break.
i guess  what i'm saying is that these people are dumber than 4y/os.

also, i would welcome a couple hours a week of CRT to be taught to these rascally kiddos, if they don't learn history, we are doomed to repeat it.

one more thing, white people are like vaginas, very sensitive.


"...white people are like vaginas...."

White people are like vaginas so we call them c*nts.

Hope that helps.
 
2021-10-19 2:55:37 PM  
I am sick of the equal education crap as well. For far too long we've stolen money from the revenue generating cities to give to the lazy and feckless rural communities. We should stop supporting the lazy rural people, and their entitled lifestyles, by forcing them to pay their fair share for their child's education. As an example, my son and his wife pay US$6,000/yr in property taxes, much of which is for the local schools. On the flip side of that, if you go to someplace rural, someone who owns several acres of land will be paying less than half what he does in property taxes but be whining their kid's school needs state help.

They need to get off their lazy backsides, pay their fair share, and STFU. Cities are tired of giving welfare to rural areas too lazy and cheap to pay for their own children. Let's just get rid of equal education and lets those rural families fend for themselves.
 
2021-10-19 2:55:42 PM  
Problem is once you start talking about equity in outcomes instead of equality of opportunity, you realize it's impossible to bring the bottom to the top - so you have to handicap the top to the bottom.

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