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(Yahoo)   So why were all of the 11 people we know drowned in basement apartments in NYC of Asian descent? Well, let's just say "Squid Game" and "Parasite" could just as easily be set in NYC as Seoul   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-10-19 8:34:45 AM  
Squid Game - SNL
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2021-10-19 8:41:32 AM  
I'm very sorry.  I don't know any Asians living in basements in NYC.
 
2021-10-19 8:47:03 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I'm very sorry.  I don't know any Asians living in basements in NYC.


Not anymore.
 
2021-10-19 8:51:44 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Harry Freakstorm: I'm very sorry.  I don't know any Asians living in basements in NYC.

Not anymore.


Booooooo!
 
2021-10-19 8:51:59 AM  
unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway
 
2021-10-19 8:53:08 AM  
If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know
 
2021-10-19 8:57:45 AM  

the_rhino: If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know


I had to check it out, as I'm a huge fan of the new Korean cinema scene, their photography in particular. Lots of nice shots and that kickass Gangam lighting going on, but Jesus tits, what a stupid show.  Maybe it's got to do with bad translation but I don't see how it could get any better judging by the sequences of scenes I see. Stupid, implausible premises from one end to the other that cannot be overcome by my normally very accepting suspension of disbelief.
 
2021-10-19 8:59:56 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway


And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.
 
2021-10-19 9:03:14 AM  

Sexy Jesus: the_rhino: If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know

I had to check it out, as I'm a huge fan of the new Korean cinema scene, their photography in particular. Lots of nice shots and that kickass Gangam lighting going on, but Jesus tits, what a stupid show.  Maybe it's got to do with bad translation but I don't see how it could get any better judging by the sequences of scenes I see. Stupid, implausible premises from one end to the other that cannot be overcome by my normally very accepting suspension of disbelief.


They were advertising it recently by showing a clip from the show.  Jesus f*ck, that was hard to watch.  The dialog was bad, the acting was bad...
 
2021-10-19 9:03:23 AM  
Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.
 
2021-10-19 9:05:56 AM  

PickleBarrel: Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.


Are you going to let the displaced renters stay with you?
 
2021-10-19 9:07:07 AM  
NYC is 13 percent asian.

https://furmancenter.org/files/sotc/T​h​e_Changing_Racial_and_Ethnic_Makeup_of​_New_York_City_Neighborhoods_11.pdf

So we either need to drown 1 or 2 more, or they better fess up as to what they know.
 
2021-10-19 9:07:14 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


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2021-10-19 9:08:28 AM  

gar1013: So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?


I see you've leveled up from false dichotomy into false trichotomy.

What about just brining dwellings up to code as much as possible? Could even say the city should pay, since as we've established, landlords be cheap. How about not pricing the new units higher? How about other programs to address homelessness?

You've basically posed that this situation created by unrestricted capitalism has no good solutions under unrestricted capitalism. Nooooooooo Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark.
 
2021-10-19 9:08:32 AM  
woops nevermind, i read that as 11 percent. You can let them up for air now.
 
2021-10-19 9:09:02 AM  
New Yahk - Neew Yahk, itsa Hell town.  Rats eating rats.
 
2021-10-19 9:09:34 AM  
Illegal housing in NYC? The hell you say.

Slumlord. World's second oldest profession.
 
2021-10-19 9:10:50 AM  

gar1013: PickleBarrel: Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.

Are you going to let the displaced renters stay with you?


How about we just enforce the already sensible laws we have on the books and allow the invisible hand of the free market take it from there?
 
2021-10-19 9:11:03 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway


Subby's just trying to point out that he watched a foreign thing. Why aren't you impressed by that?
 
2021-10-19 9:13:25 AM  

wxboy: gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.

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You could post a meme, or you could present a workable solution.

You obviously went with the choice that explains your intelligence level. Which is not high.
 
2021-10-19 9:18:23 AM  
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2021-10-19 9:19:06 AM  

Sexy Jesus: the_rhino: If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know

I had to check it out, as I'm a huge fan of the new Korean cinema scene, their photography in particular. Lots of nice shots and that kickass Gangam lighting going on, but Jesus tits, what a stupid show.  Maybe it's got to do with bad translation but I don't see how it could get any better judging by the sequences of scenes I see. Stupid, implausible premises from one end to the other that cannot be overcome by my normally very accepting suspension of disbelief.


Are you a robot or something?

What a shiatty take.
 
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2021-10-19 9:19:14 AM  

xanadian: Sexy Jesus: the_rhino: If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know

I had to check it out, as I'm a huge fan of the new Korean cinema scene, their photography in particular. Lots of nice shots and that kickass Gangam lighting going on, but Jesus tits, what a stupid show.  Maybe it's got to do with bad translation but I don't see how it could get any better judging by the sequences of scenes I see. Stupid, implausible premises from one end to the other that cannot be overcome by my normally very accepting suspension of disbelief.

They were advertising it recently by showing a clip from the show.  Jesus f*ck, that was hard to watch.  The dialog was bad, the acting was bad...


I'm guessing you saw a trailer for the dubbed version?
 
2021-10-19 9:19:51 AM  

Sexy Jesus: gar1013: PickleBarrel: Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.

Are you going to let the displaced renters stay with you?

How about we just enforce the already sensible laws we have on the books and allow the invisible hand of the free market take it from there?


Cool. I mean, some people will definitely need to leave the area. Or become homeless.

At the end of the day, there are too many people already competing for a finite amount of space in NYC. Meanwhile, Philly ain't cheap but it isn't nearly as expensive.
 
2021-10-19 9:27:29 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


GENTRIFICATION KILLS!! So I blame rich White Millenials and Boomers.
 
2021-10-19 9:31:35 AM  
This goes against the narrative that all Asians are successful and therefore such as.
 
2021-10-19 9:33:50 AM  
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2021-10-19 9:33:53 AM  
I found it interesting that tfa doesn't explain two things:

1. Why aren't poor immigrants from other areas renting illegal conversions? I'm sure they are, just not in the particular neighborhood this particular storm hit particularly hard. As tfa points out, non-english speaking immigrants cluster together in small areas.

2. Whether the regulations would actually have eliminated this safety issue. Bad wiring and shiatty plumbing keep people from going the permit route. But are basement apartments mandated to be flood safe? Is it even possible to achieve for a basement apartment?


It did touch on one important bit: the tenants know they could report the landlord, but because where they live is so far from being a legit apartment they'd be issued orders to vacate. And they don't want to vacate, because they have nowhere else they can afford. That means that they prefer these places to the only alternatives that exist, and that these shiatholes provide an honest to god service to them. The market, regardless of regulation, will never, ever address people like this. Even if all the landlords in question were wonderful people, these apartments would cease to exist. They wouldn't become nice places to live for an equally affordable price. And it's pretty obvious nobody else, Asian or otherwise, who has extra living space is taking these folks in out of charity either. Asking landlords to be charitable but telling everyone else with space they can go ahead and have spare rooms is inconsistent. I guarantee you if the people of queens wanted to share their resources with the immigrants living in illegal conversions they'd have room for them. And having given free room and often board to people more than half my adult life, I don't blame people for not doing so. It is risky, you will eventually get robbed, and honestly even helping friends and family down on their luck is often soul crushing in various ways. I don't know if I have it in me to do it anymore.
 
2021-10-19 9:34:58 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Illegal housing in NYC? The hell you say.

Slumlord. World's second oldest profession.


I assure you, this cave and firepit have been fully inspected and are up to Chief Thakk's exacting standards. You got a problem with it, you take it up with him.
 
2021-10-19 9:36:23 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway


150 years ago it would have been Irish immigrants living and dying there.
 
2021-10-19 9:40:44 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


d) Move out of farking New York.

If the work-from-home situation over the last 18 months has taught us anything, it's that a lot of people don't need to live in Manhattan or commute to Manhattan.  Cut the number of upper- and upper-middle-class professionals working in Manhattan by 30%, and you reduce the demand for service workers of all kinds by roughly the same amount.  Which means those people can live in reasonable housing instead of crowded 5 to a room.
 
2021-10-19 9:41:38 AM  

gar1013: PickleBarrel: Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.

Are you going to let the displaced renters stay with you?


Apparently you don't understand systemic dysfunction. 

Sexy Jesus: the_rhino: If I never hear about Squid Game again, it'll be too soon.

/it's not even about hentai
//I don't watch hentai
///and even if I did, you lot would never know

I had to check it out, as I'm a huge fan of the new Korean cinema scene, their photography in particular.


Korean cinema isn't new; it's just being discovered by Americans now. You should check out some older Korean films, like Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East?, Sopyonje, 2009: Lost Memories, Joint Security Area, Shiri, and A Taxi Driver, just to name a few.
 
2021-10-19 9:43:11 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

150 years ago it would have been Irish immigrants living and dying there.


Wait, a bar got flooded?
 
2021-10-19 9:45:39 AM  

FrancoFile: If the work-from-home situation over the last 18 months has taught us anything, it's that a lot of people don't need to live in Manhattan or commute to Manhattan.  Cut the number of upper- and upper-middle-class professionals working in Manhattan by 30%, and you reduce the demand for service workers of all kinds by roughly the same amount.  Which means those people can live in reasonable housing instead of crowded 5 to a room.


What about all of the service workers who leave? What about the additional number of upper and upper middle class people who leave because now the city doesn't have the same vibrancy?

You also realize the city draws a good chunk of its budget from city income tax and property taxes, not to mention taxes on all of those businesses. So when wealthier people leave, and properties don't have the same value, and 1/3rd your service industry shutters, how do you propose to pay for shiat?
 
2021-10-19 9:45:55 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


Move out of NYC.

As an immigrant, why would you try to make roots in one of the most expensive places to live in your adopted country?

Move to Buffalo or something where you aren't spending $2500 in rent while making $40k (the numbers they used in the article).
 
2021-10-19 9:46:38 AM  

Sexy Jesus: gar1013: PickleBarrel: Go after the farking landlords taking advantage of desperate people.

But of course, the rich and powerful can do no wrong.

Are you going to let the displaced renters stay with you?

How about we just enforce the already sensible laws we have on the books and allow the invisible hand of the free market take it from there?


works with guns. seems legit.
 
2021-10-19 9:47:37 AM  
and by no means am i defending the landlords, if they were in violation of building codes they should be charged, certainly with the building code violations, and possibly even negligent homicide if the case can be made.

But the concept of "NYC should have less people, so the apartments are cheaper" is idiotic.
 
2021-10-19 9:49:21 AM  
Welcome to one of the most liberal cities in the US.

People unable to even master the basics of life are likely gonna die. Just accept it and move on.

Tragic? Absolutely. Sad? Incredibly. Unexpected? Nope.

Those distended bellies in sub-Saharan Africa aren't going to be fed either and no matter how bad you feel eating that Kale salad today, you ate and they didn't because YOU won and they lost. It's okay to win the game of life. Accept it and move on.

Or don't and go starve with them rather than eating. Nobody cares.
 
2021-10-19 9:49:26 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.
 
2021-10-19 9:51:00 AM  

gar1013: And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?


hiding a problem rarely results in it being solved, obviously I'd prefer code enforcement to non-code enforcement, and if it results in a few fewer dwellings, now the city knows it needs that many more built
 
2021-10-19 9:52:34 AM  

Geotpf: The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.


Cool so how do you handle the city services needed to support them? The added public safety resources, the added schools which are already crowded, the added social services that lower income people tend to draw more from? Places of business so that these people can have a job?

You can't just throw more people in a city because you want cheaper rent unless you want to kill that city. It needs to be done in a sustainable way.
 
2021-10-19 9:52:46 AM  

DoganSquirrelSlayer: You've basically posed that this situation created by unrestricted capitalism has no good solutions under unrestricted capitalism. Nooooooooo Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark.


The problem here is not too much capitalism.

The problem here is not enough capitalism and too much government.  IE, loosen zoning laws so it's easier and cheaper to build more, denser buildings.  This doesn't mean loosen safety regulations; exactly the opposite.

If NYC said "Anybody can build an apartment building of any height anywhere in the city, provided they pay all taxes (to cover things like parks and schools) and meet safety regulations," the problem would go away as tons of new, safe housing would be built.
 
2021-10-19 9:53:42 AM  

LineNoise: Geotpf: The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.

Cool so how do you handle the city services needed to support them? The added public safety resources, the added schools which are already crowded, the added social services that lower income people tend to draw more from? Places of business so that these people can have a job?

You can't just throw more people in a city because you want cheaper rent unless you want to kill that city. It needs to be done in a sustainable way.


When you build a housing unit, you pay a variety of fees for police, parks, streets, schools, etc.  Do not eliminate those fees.
 
2021-10-19 9:53:54 AM  

gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.


hey, we have a labor shortage, let's bring back child labor!

yeah, your comment sounds just as stupid
 
2021-10-19 9:55:02 AM  

Geotpf: DoganSquirrelSlayer: You've basically posed that this situation created by unrestricted capitalism has no good solutions under unrestricted capitalism. Nooooooooo Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark.

The problem here is not too much capitalism.

The problem here is not enough capitalism and too much government.  IE, loosen zoning laws so it's easier and cheaper to build more, denser buildings.  This doesn't mean loosen safety regulations; exactly the opposite.

If NYC said "Anybody can build an apartment building of any height anywhere in the city, provided they pay all taxes (to cover things like parks and schools) and meet safety regulations," the problem would go away as tons of new, safe housing would be built.


Nailed it. Also, air rights. Fark the idea of air rights and having to buy them from other land owners.
 
2021-10-19 9:55:17 AM  

Geotpf: LineNoise: Geotpf: The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.

Cool so how do you handle the city services needed to support them? The added public safety resources, the added schools which are already crowded, the added social services that lower income people tend to draw more from? Places of business so that these people can have a job?

You can't just throw more people in a city because you want cheaper rent unless you want to kill that city. It needs to be done in a sustainable way.

When you build a housing unit, you pay a variety of fees for police, parks, streets, schools, etc.  Do not eliminate those fees.


...and for continued services, that's what property taxes are for.  Obviously a tall building with tons of apartments would be worth more than a shorter one.  IE, the more expensive, taller building pays more in property taxes for schools, police, etc.
 
2021-10-19 9:55:49 AM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Geotpf: DoganSquirrelSlayer: You've basically posed that this situation created by unrestricted capitalism has no good solutions under unrestricted capitalism. Nooooooooo Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark.

The problem here is not too much capitalism.

The problem here is not enough capitalism and too much government.  IE, loosen zoning laws so it's easier and cheaper to build more, denser buildings.  This doesn't mean loosen safety regulations; exactly the opposite.

If NYC said "Anybody can build an apartment building of any height anywhere in the city, provided they pay all taxes (to cover things like parks and schools) and meet safety regulations," the problem would go away as tons of new, safe housing would be built.

Nailed it. Also, air rights. Fark the idea of air rights and having to buy them from other land owners.


Air rights is an example of a zoning law that limits density.
 
2021-10-19 9:55:52 AM  

Geotpf: gar1013: Dead for Tax Reasons: unscrupulous landlords victimizing people who feel like they can't complain without losing everything isn't new or restricted to asians

and they lost everything anyway

And yet, what happens if those apartments were properly prevented through code enforcement?

That's right, fewer housing units and the rent goes up further.  So which do YOU prefer:  people rendered homeless, people living in unsafe conditions but still having a roof over their head, or a bunch of lower density housing torn down to build more units that will also be priced higher than what people are paying now?

Finite number of apartments, and you're going to see that number shrink due to landlords getting royally farked by eviction moratoriums that allowed unscrupulous renters to dodge rent for an extended period of time.

The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.


And then in 10 years, the complaint will be city streets are like caves and there's no natural light.

They already did this dance 100 years ago.
 
2021-10-19 9:56:33 AM  

LineNoise: Geotpf: The solution is to allow lots and lots of legal, permitted, safe development.  In NYC, this means cutting red tape and loosening zoning laws so lots of developers will build taller apartment buildings.


Cool so how do you handle the city services needed to support them? The added public safety resources, the added schools which are already crowded, the added social services that lower income people tend to draw more from? Places of business so that these people can have a job?

You can't just throw more people in a city because you want cheaper rent unless you want to kill that city. It needs to be done in a sustainable way.


cool, let's throw more people in the city and do it in a sustainable way (raise taxes on the rich, quickly build out more infrastructure with the money)
 
2021-10-19 9:57:36 AM  

Geotpf: When you build a housing unit, you pay a variety of fees for police, parks, streets, schools, etc.  Do not eliminate those fees.


Yes, but there is a balance there. For instance, my school district pays about 25k a year for my kid to go to school there when you add up all the costs and divide by number of students. And that is with already existing infrastructure and not having to build a bunch of new shiat all at once to handle an influx.

That is more than the average property tax bill in my town. Meaning everyone who sends a kid to our school COSTS our town money. That is also without account for all of the other city services, etc.

Now obviously not everyone sends a kid to school, so that is how you spread it out, and we all reap the benefits of having a great school district in our town in terms of property value and community.

But you bring in a bunch of high density housing, especially if they are affordable or low income, and you start skewing the math on it more and more. Not only do you need to increase your services and infrastructure to account for the people, you have the ongoing cost to manage, which their taxes will probably not cover.
 
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