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2021-10-18 7:43:56 PM  
Deliciousness was bred out of that apple to promote color, size and shelf life... maybe the video/ article says that too but... it's that.
 
2021-10-18 7:54:59 PM  
Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.
 
2021-10-18 7:56:18 PM  
The red and yellow delicious was mainly kept around for shelf life and consistent sweetness. Consistency was a hallmark of the era it rose to popularity in because it was a movement towards longer shelf life in general for processed food production.

So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree just like we plant thousands of acres of russet burbank potatoes. It has nothing to do with quality and always to do with the largest buyers which create the biggest and easiest payday for the farming co-ops that grow them.

I am not sure my literature is up to date enough on apples to say which is the most popular now. It might be fuji or gala.

That said if you're looking for a good table apple you need to sample a lot of varieties to find out what you specifically like. For me there's nothing better than a newtown pippin for how I like apples.
 
2021-10-18 8:03:04 PM  
I have had red delicious apples that were in fact delicious, but they came from the restaurant produce distributor rather than a grocery store. The ones at the store are garbage, obviously.
 
2021-10-18 8:04:42 PM  
Apples suck
 
2021-10-18 8:11:53 PM  
Honeycrisp is the biggest seller in my department by a long ways.

/produce manager at the local grocery
 
2021-10-18 8:16:12 PM  

Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.


Try Cosmic Crisp.
 
2021-10-18 8:16:44 PM  
Personally I like Galas - we've got a couple of them in our little orchard along the driveway.

/Got  a dozen or so apple trees
//Couple pear trees
///home made hard cider is the slashiest
 
2021-10-18 8:18:31 PM  

cretinbob: Apples suck


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2021-10-18 8:19:08 PM  

Bootleg: Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.

Try Cosmic Crisp.


Thanks, I have. Liked the Honeycrisp more.
 
2021-10-18 8:22:59 PM  

Bootleg: Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.

Try Cosmic Crisp.


Right now the cosmic crisp on shelf are mostly last years. Right now there are new crop (as in 2021) honeycrisp, fuji, granny smith, jonagold, and ambrosia. The new crop of cosmic crisp will be on the market in the second week of November. I would encourage anyone wanting to try that particular brand variety to wait until then.
 
2021-10-18 8:28:37 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: Apples suck

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Oranges are best

Honestly I'm certain it's because I could go in the backyard and pick oranges and apples came from the store.

Cooked apples are a whole different story.
 
2021-10-18 9:10:29 PM  
Where's our favorite open-source advocate to tell us about how honeycrisps are patent-encumbered fruit that should be forsaken in favor of open-source varieties of crab-apples?
 
2021-10-18 9:11:37 PM  
The name is half correct. They are red.
 
2021-10-18 9:17:42 PM  
My favorites are Pink Ladies and Granny Smiths. Macintosh reminds me of my childhood in New England, which is nice; Galas and Honey-crisps are pretty good too.
 
2021-10-18 9:19:22 PM  

Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.


I like Honeycrisp. Try Sugarbee or Pazazz. I saw them for the first time this fall, and they were good. The 4 year old likes them too.
 
2021-10-18 9:24:59 PM  

Kat09tails: So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree


You don't plant apples like that.  You graft them.  Apples are hilariously variable.  Seeds from an apple will never produce the same fruit as the one they come from.  It's like playing with a RNG.  If you find a good apple, you take cuttings from its parent tree and graft them to any old rootstock - that is the only way to produce that apple reliably.  It also allows for changing apple varieties relatively quickly; cut off the old and busted and just regraft with the new hotness.
 
2021-10-18 9:30:24 PM  

Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.


I suppose it's just a mere coincidence that the sense of taste is diminished by Covid.
 
2021-10-18 9:31:32 PM  

cretinbob: ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: Apples suck

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Oranges are best

Honestly I'm certain it's because I could go in the backyard and pick oranges and apples came from the store.

Cooked apples are a whole different story.


So you are LITERALLY comparing apples to oranges...
 
2021-10-18 9:38:24 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: Apples suck

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Oranges are best

Honestly I'm certain it's because I could go in the backyard and pick oranges and apples came from the store.

Cooked apples are a whole different story.

So you are LITERALLY comparing apples to oranges...


Pink Floyd - Apples and Oranges
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2021-10-18 9:41:27 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: Apples suck

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Oranges are best

Honestly I'm certain it's because I could go in the backyard and pick oranges and apples came from the store.

Cooked apples are a whole different story.

So you are LITERALLY comparing apples to oranges...


I am
 
2021-10-18 9:42:37 PM  
My current favorite is Liberty, great flavor, good for cooking and sauces. Shelf life measured in days, so either you get lucky at a farmer's market or grow* your own.  For store-bought Fuji, Gala, Granny Smith (although my wife does not like tartness), and Honeycrisp.

*It's very disease resistant, so it's good for a home orchard.  We moved and have re-planted, although I plan on grafting some scions to an older tree this winter.
 
2021-10-18 9:42:46 PM  
And Granny Smith gonna whoop your ass!
 
2021-10-18 9:43:19 PM  
I grew up on Red Delicious apples. It wasn't until I was a young adult that I discovered that Honeycrip apples were far superior. I almost felt lied to (but it wasn't Mom's fault, she didn't know either!). It probably was a big contributor to my branching out and trying new and different foods.

Ugh, now I'm remembering the leathery tasteless skin and mealyness of a bad Red Delicious apple.
 
2021-10-18 9:48:04 PM  
I don't know about apples, I just randomly buy them. But never red delicious. They suck.

When I was in middle school, we sold fruit boxes from Texas. Those oranges were the best ever MFERS ever. I wish I could find those again.
 
2021-10-18 9:52:01 PM  

cretinbob: ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: ParallelUniverseParking: cretinbob: Apples suck

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Oranges are best

Honestly I'm certain it's because I could go in the backyard and pick oranges and apples came from the store.

Cooked apples are a whole different story.

So you are LITERALLY comparing apples to oranges...

I am


Well allrighty then
 
2021-10-18 9:54:39 PM  

phalamir: Kat09tails: So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree

You don't plant apples like that.  You graft them.  Apples are hilariously variable.  Seeds from an apple will never produce the same fruit as the one they come from.  It's like playing with a RNG.  If you find a good apple, you take cuttings from its parent tree and graft them to any old rootstock - that is the only way to produce that apple reliably.  It also allows for changing apple varieties relatively quickly; cut off the old and busted and just regraft with the new hotness.


You still plant the grafted rootstock in the ground. When you buy commercial apple stock you buy hundreds of that graft at a time and plug a cross pollinator every 10 - 20 trees.
When I was a kid my relatives in Chelan had 80 acres of golden delicious that was contracted to del monte.
 
2021-10-18 10:02:51 PM  

phalamir: Kat09tails: So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree

You don't plant apples like that.  You graft them.  Apples are hilariously variable.  Seeds from an apple will never produce the same fruit as the one they come from.  It's like playing with a RNG.  If you find a good apple, you take cuttings from its parent tree and graft them to any old rootstock - that is the only way to produce that apple reliably.  It also allows for changing apple varieties relatively quickly; cut off the old and busted and just regraft with the new hotness.


I have an orchardist friend who grows heirloom varieties of apples.  He has more varieties of apples than he has trees, a number of his trees have several different varieties..  He'll try a new-to-him variety of 3-4 years to see how it performs here.  If it isn't a reliable producer, he'll try something different the next year.
 
2021-10-18 10:27:51 PM  

phalamir: Kat09tails: So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree

You don't plant apples like that.  You graft them.  Apples are hilariously variable.  Seeds from an apple will never produce the same fruit as the one they come from.  It's like playing with a RNG.  If you find a good apple, you take cuttings from its parent tree and graft them to any old rootstock - that is the only way to produce that apple reliably.  It also allows for changing apple varieties relatively quickly; cut off the old and busted and just regraft with the new hotness.


Same with avocados. I forget the name for this but it means random seed genetics. Good for keeping the species alive, not so good for a hominid trying to grow seeds from one particular tasty piece of fruit. That's also why we get so many Hass avocados as it's been grafted for decades.

Do not confuse with Hoss from Bonanza, he's been dead awhile. Sorry to be the one to tell ya.
 
2021-10-18 10:28:53 PM  

Kat09tails: The red and yellow delicious was mainly kept around for shelf life and consistent sweetness. Consistency was a hallmark of the era it rose to popularity in because it was a movement towards longer shelf life in general for processed food production.

So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree just like we plant thousands of acres of russet burbank potatoes. It has nothing to do with quality and always to do with the largest buyers which create the biggest and easiest payday for the farming co-ops that grow them.

I am not sure my literature is up to date enough on apples to say which is the most popular now. It might be fuji or gala.

That said if you're looking for a good table apple you need to sample a lot of varieties to find out what you specifically like. For me there's nothing better than a newtown pippin for how I like apples.


The difference is the Russet is actually a good potato, enough firmness that it can make a good fry but also soft enough to work well as a baked potato or in creamy soups, the delicious apples are not a good apple. Another one is the Cavendish, it's an above average sweet banana that transports well and was resistant to banana blight. So dominant cultivar doesn't have to suck, they just chose a crappy one when it came to apples =)
 
2021-10-18 10:29:11 PM  
I can't tell the difference in apples from Fall through Summer but I know they've been stored for months.
 
2021-10-18 10:32:40 PM  

Fizzy_Pop: I grew up on Red Delicious apples. It wasn't until I was a young adult that I discovered that Honeycrip apples were far superior. I almost felt lied to (but it wasn't Mom's fault, she didn't know either!). It probably was a big contributor to my branching out and trying new and different foods.

Ugh, now I'm remembering the leathery tasteless skin and mealyness of a bad Red Delicious apple.


I didn't eat an apple for many years until the honey crisp came out. Those friggin red not-so-delicious turned me off for a long time. I'll eat any kind of pear any day though. They don't travel well so I get that they're not big sellers.

Try a walnut and gorgonzola dip for pear slices some day. It's very tasty.
 
2021-10-18 10:38:50 PM  
WTH? Red Delicious is definitely both, but y'all don't have Macintoshes? Honey crisp tastes alien. Must all your apples be so sweet?
 
2021-10-18 10:39:59 PM  

baxterdog: Fizzy_Pop: I grew up on Red Delicious apples. It wasn't until I was a young adult that I discovered that Honeycrip apples were far superior. I almost felt lied to (but it wasn't Mom's fault, she didn't know either!). It probably was a big contributor to my branching out and trying new and different foods.

Ugh, now I'm remembering the leathery tasteless skin and mealyness of a bad Red Delicious apple.

I didn't eat an apple for many years until the honey crisp came out. Those friggin red not-so-delicious turned me off for a long time. I'll eat any kind of pear any day though. They don't travel well so I get that they're not big sellers.

Try a walnut and gorgonzola dip for pear slices some day. It's very tasty.


Drizzle honey over that pear combo and you've got an incredible plate of food =)
 
2021-10-18 10:42:44 PM  

robodog: Kat09tails: The red and yellow delicious was mainly kept around for shelf life and consistent sweetness. Consistency was a hallmark of the era it rose to popularity in because it was a movement towards longer shelf life in general for processed food production.

So people planted hundreds of acres of that tree just like we plant thousands of acres of russet burbank potatoes. It has nothing to do with quality and always to do with the largest buyers which create the biggest and easiest payday for the farming co-ops that grow them.

I am not sure my literature is up to date enough on apples to say which is the most popular now. It might be fuji or gala.

That said if you're looking for a good table apple you need to sample a lot of varieties to find out what you specifically like. For me there's nothing better than a newtown pippin for how I like apples.

The difference is the Russet is actually a good potato, enough firmness that it can make a good fry but also soft enough to work well as a baked potato or in creamy soups, the delicious apples are not a good apple. Another one is the Cavendish, it's an above average sweet banana that transports well and was resistant to banana blight. So dominant cultivar doesn't have to suck, they just chose a crappy one when it came to apples =)


I'll argue that the russet burbank is only useful as a baked potato and a frenchfry until the end of time, just as the red delicious works in industrial applications like applesauce or juice, and sucks as a fresh or stored apple because it turns into mealy sandy garbage. The body of the russet spud is kind of the same, blanches well and consistently and happens to be blight resistant as well.

The burbank potato and delicious apple are actually very similar in the sense that they were both developed and marketed to greater popularity by the same people Luther Burbank and Stark. Burbank and the Stark Bros have a huge hand in what is available in the supermarket and what plant types dominate agriculture everywhere 100 years later.
 
2021-10-18 10:45:19 PM  
Any apple is tasty if you eat a pear first.
 
2021-10-18 11:37:01 PM  
Granny Smith FTW
 
2021-10-18 11:47:20 PM  
Not sure if any of you have tried First Kiss apples, but it's a new variety that dethroned honey crisp for me.  It was Developed at University of Minnesota (the same people who bred the 1st honeycrisp).

They can be hard to find.  But it's my new favorite for when I'm just eating a plain apple.
 
2021-10-18 11:56:19 PM  

Bootleg: Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.

Try Cosmic Crisp.


This is the way
 
2021-10-18 11:56:43 PM  
Galas are nice but the problem with some grocery stores (HEB in Texas for instance) is that they store them at a temp that is right at the "damage" point.  It was getting to the point where every time I bought Gala apples, all of them would have the weird brown on the inside.

Fuji are my go-to apple - not too tangy...sweet...thin skin...
 
2021-10-18 11:59:36 PM  

Kat09tails: Bootleg: Badmoodman: Honeycrisp are my favorite but it seems that over the Covid era the taste of those has been sorely lacking.

But for the last month or so, they seem (usually) to have recaptured their distinctive flavor. I'm keeping my fingers crossed cuz I have apple slices from these almost every morning.

Try Cosmic Crisp.

Right now the cosmic crisp on shelf are mostly last years. Right now there are new crop (as in 2021) honeycrisp, fuji, granny smith, jonagold, and ambrosia. The new crop of cosmic crisp will be on the market in the second week of November. I would encourage anyone wanting to try that particular brand variety to wait until then.


That being said, cosmic crisp have insane longevity. At the beginning of Covid, I bought about a dozen cc apples. Knowing they are supposed to have great longevity, I decided to keep them on the counter, open to the air, near a window. So they got light. 3 months later they were still decent. Not nearly so good as when they were fresh, of course, but good. And they still had some crispness to their texture. Absolutely bonkers.
 
2021-10-19 12:16:34 AM  

baxterdog: I'll eat any kind of pear any day though. They don't travel well so I get that they're not big sellers.


Costco's flats of pears (not the bags of pears) are just amazing, head and shoulders above any pear I've gotten anywhere else.
 
2021-10-19 12:33:23 AM  

Enigmamf: baxterdog: I'll eat any kind of pear any day though. They don't travel well so I get that they're not big sellers.

Costco's flats of pears (not the bags of pears) are just amazing, head and shoulders above any pear I've gotten anywhere else.


I wonder if they're Doyenne du Comice, that's what Harry and David use and those are absolutely delightful.
 
2021-10-19 1:54:02 AM  
A few weeks ago, Super 1 had large cartons - 15 - 20 lbs. - of honeycrisps on sale for $5. We got a box and I decided to finish them off today today.  I made three apple crisps that I put in the freezer and an apple fritter cake. Given that I've spent my day up to my elbows in honeycrisps, I'm getting a kick.
 
2021-10-19 2:17:38 AM  

Porous Horace: WTH? Red Delicious is definitely both, but y'all don't have Macintoshes? Honey crisp tastes alien. Must all your apples be so sweet?


This. McIntosh apples are the correct kind of apple.
 
2021-10-19 4:21:15 AM  
Honeycrisp are so last year the new one is SweeTango, a mix of Honeycrisp and Zestar (I am not being serious here Honeycrisp are good and so are lots of varieties of apples).
 
2021-10-19 5:58:38 AM  
I love apples but I can't stand the prices for these designer apples. So I normally just get golden Delicious.
Red delicious is garbage.

About 5 years ago I moved from MI to GA. The apple selection here is sad. Obviously here the main fruit is peaches which my GA born wife is an expert in but no matter how good peaches are just ok to me.
 
2021-10-19 6:58:25 AM  

aimtastic: I have had red delicious apples that were in fact delicious, but they came from the restaurant produce distributor rather than a grocery store. The ones at the store are garbage, obviously.


someone mentioned a similar thing, in one of the more recent apple-ranking threads. (it may have even been you?)

since then, I've been honestly curious to have a proper try, 'cos I've never once in my life had one that was anywhere near approaching "delicious"

/grew up with Granny Smith trees on our land, now thems were in fact delicious
 
2021-10-19 7:55:19 AM  

CFitzsimmons: My favorites are Pink Ladies and Granny Smiths. Macintosh reminds me of my childhood in New England, which is nice; Galas and Honey-crisps are pretty good too.


Heck yes.
 
2021-10-19 8:12:16 AM  
A good apple should be crisp and have some tartness to it. You pretty much have to go to an orchard to get that these days. Those tasteless things they sell at the grocery store are an insult to the name apple.
 
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