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(Guardian)   As the child of divorced parents, Northern Ireland is getting lavish gifts, guilt trips, and is playing one side off the other. But now, abusive Dad is petitioning for full custody   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-10-18 5:50:08 PM  
Yes, NI has been relatively insulated from the worst effects. So, naturally, the Tory instinct is to fark things up there, too.

Also:
Frost ended his jingoistic party conference speech with ludicrous bombast: "The long bad dream of our EU membership is over.

Always worth remembering what David Frost was saying before he was bought off with a peerage:
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2021-10-18 6:34:18 PM  
The Good Friday Agreement fostered economic success, and, with that, peace.

Fark up the economy, and you bring back the Troubles.
 
2021-10-18 8:17:14 PM  
StareDad.com wanted for questioning
 
2021-10-18 8:22:49 PM  
Scotland seen giving Northern Ireland a look that says, "We're getting out of here, you coming?"
 
2021-10-18 8:26:38 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Scotland seen giving Northern Ireland a look that says, "We're getting out of here, you coming?"


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2021-10-18 8:28:08 PM  
I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.
 
2021-10-18 8:28:31 PM  
What about SECOND Brexit?
 
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2021-10-18 8:30:20 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: The Good Friday Agreement fostered economic success, and, with that, peace.

Fark up the economy, and you bring back the Troubles.


Yep.  Even if they somehow try to make it only economic in scope, since those born in Northern Ireland are Irish citizens if they so claim, trying to put limits on what they can do on the Island of Ireland won't go over well.

Even if it doesn't lead to violence, it could lead to a whole generation of people born after the Good Friday Agreement that blame the new problems on the UK and suddenly would be inclined to vote in favor of a referendum to leave the UK entirely.
 
2021-10-18 8:34:43 PM  
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2021-10-18 8:48:30 PM  

austerity101: I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.


I think the best Tory I can think of is Robert Peel, who set up the Met Police working under a particular set of principles and repealed the Corn Laws, which was some kind of mad tariff system on grain.
 
2021-10-18 8:51:36 PM  

Glicky: [Fark user image 850x566]


The Irish Solution Unity To Brexit?  Does that mean they want to Irishexit and stand strong with the UK?
 
2021-10-18 8:53:05 PM  

iheartscotch: What about SECOND Brexit?


I don't think they know about second brexit.
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2021-10-18 8:57:45 PM  

RogermcAllen: Glicky: [Fark user image 850x566]

The Irish Solution Unity To Brexit?  Does that mean they want to Irishexit and stand strong with the UK?


No, it would mean forming a sovereign government with the other nation on the Island of Ireland, and telling wankers from Westminster to piss off.
 
2021-10-18 8:57:45 PM  
You're joking right, subby?

The argument mum and dad are having is over who gets to not have to take the little monster.

Westminster doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland and never has. The English parties just want it to go away.

It's been a very long time, as well, since anybody in a position to do much about it as genuinely interested in Irish unification. Not only did the Free State overtake the North economically long ago, but the Six Counties would be as difficult to govern by an all-Ireland government now as in 1913. The Ulster-Scots "loyalists" simply won't recognize any government they don't control---just like their Scotch-Irish cousins in America.
 
2021-10-18 9:04:11 PM  

Spice Must Flow: iheartscotch: What about SECOND Brexit?

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Why is Flea in that picture?
 
2021-10-18 9:08:36 PM  
and exactly who didn't see this coming?
 
2021-10-18 9:15:21 PM  
Everything has gone downhill since the Irish got rid of Bilbo

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2021-10-18 9:16:59 PM  

MikeyFuccon: You're joking right, subby?

The argument mum and dad are having is over who gets to not have to take the little monster.

Westminster doesn't give a damn about Northern Ireland and never has. The English parties just want it to go away.

It's been a very long time, as well, since anybody in a position to do much about it as genuinely interested in Irish unification. Not only did the Free State overtake the North economically long ago, but the Six Counties would be as difficult to govern by an all-Ireland government now as in 1913. The Ulster-Scots "loyalists" simply won't recognize any government they don't control---just like their Scotch-Irish cousins in America.


I'm pretty sure the EU would be more than happy to have a united Ireland for the simple reason that it means Boris and the Tories can't use the border deal to start brush fires that Brussels has to put out.
 
2021-10-18 9:28:35 PM  

austerity101: I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.


Churchill and the War?
 
2021-10-18 9:42:41 PM  

somedude210: austerity101: I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.

Churchill and the War?


The wartime government was a unity government. When the war ended, the Tories were voted out and Labour started the NHS.

In the '60s, when the Tories were in power, they introduced major cuts to the rail network.

You like your Twitter, don't you? Have you seen the stuff about Johnson taking a holiday to Marbella while Britain burns, but doing publicity shots that show him painting because Churchill used to like to paint?

/I think it might have been Matt Hancock that spent £40,000 on a holiday recently and claimed he couldn't have got the full enjoyment of it because the sea was closed.
//What a bunch of c*nts.
///Without the warmth and depth.
 
2021-10-18 9:54:09 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Scotland seen giving Northern Ireland a look that says, "We're getting out of here, you coming?"


I would love for there to be a new United Kingdom of Scotland, Northern Ireland (and hopefully Wales)  governed from Edinburgh with a Wittelsbach on the throne, as they hold the Stewart claim.
 
2021-10-18 9:55:12 PM  

iron de havilland: RogermcAllen: Glicky: [Fark user image 850x566]

The Irish Solution Unity To Brexit?  Does that mean they want to Irishexit and stand strong with the UK?

No, it would mean forming a sovereign government with the other nation on the Island of Ireland, and telling wankers from Westminster to piss off.


Possibly.
 
2021-10-18 9:56:41 PM  

FullofMT: The Irresponsible Captain: Scotland seen giving Northern Ireland a look that says, "We're getting out of here, you coming?"

I would love for there to be a new United Kingdom of Scotland, Northern Ireland (and hopefully Wales)  governed from Edinburgh with a Wittelsbach on the throne, as they hold the Stewart claim.


Pardon me, Stuart.
 
2021-10-18 10:07:20 PM  

FullofMT: I would love for there to be a new United Kingdom of Scotland, Northern Ireland (and hopefully Wales)  governed from Edinburgh with a Wittelsbach on the throne, as they hold the Stewart claim.


If something like that's going to happen, I'd rather see it being some kind of United Celtic Republic formed by Alba and Cymru joining Ireland, since it's already a sovereign republic with a fair amount of clout from being in the EU. In my fantasy, Kernow and Isle of Man could join, too, if they wanted. And that would leave the Kingdom of England in proud isolation.
 
2021-10-18 10:09:26 PM  
*neurone fires*

Splendid isolation.

Splendid isolation was the term that bigoted Victorians used to justify colonialism and being dicks to people you don't even know.
 
2021-10-18 11:03:09 PM  
one Eire . Soon.
 
2021-10-19 1:10:25 AM  

iron de havilland: *neurone fires*

Splendid isolation.

Splendid isolation was the term that bigoted Victorians used to justify colonialism and being dicks to people you don't even know.


Splendid Isolation - Warren Zevon
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2021-10-19 1:25:23 AM  

iron de havilland: FullofMT: I would love for there to be a new United Kingdom of Scotland, Northern Ireland (and hopefully Wales)  governed from Edinburgh with a Wittelsbach on the throne, as they hold the Stewart claim.

If something like that's going to happen, I'd rather see it being some kind of United Celtic Republic formed by Alba and Cymru joining Ireland, since it's already a sovereign republic with a fair amount of clout from being in the EU. In my fantasy, Kernow and Isle of Man could join, too, if they wanted. And that would leave the Kingdom of England in proud isolation.


Cornwall and Brittany/Breton as well, but, probably not for the latter.  It could lead to something of an economic boom in SW England.
 
2021-10-19 1:29:31 AM  

alienated: one Eire . Soon.


I think a Celtic UK governed from Edinburgh would be more agreeable to NI Unionists.   Heck why not allow NI MPs to take their seats in the Dall and in this new UK's parliament?
 
2021-10-19 2:06:52 AM  
My most recent Irish ancestors came to the US from County Longford in Meath circa 1730 (they say all true Irish can tell you their ancestral county, I just know it was recorded in a Bible; my ancestors was probably the bastard son of an Orange lord who did at least make sure the kid was well educated after his mother died - I learned from him the origin of the word "snob": it was an annotation in boarding school -"public school" - records next to his name, "s. Nob." Son of a nobleman.) From there, he was shipped to the New World, Virginia, to be manager of his legitimate siblings investments. I'll let the Gentle Reader imagine what those might entail. At least & at last, he met & married a Friend (a Quaker woman) who would only marry him if he became a Friend and an abolitionist, so some salvation in this World & the next.

That said, I have enough feeling for Ireland to hope it will find eventual unification.
 
2021-10-19 2:07:02 AM  
 
2021-10-19 4:00:32 AM  
The brexiteers want it back starving in the fold with the rest of us because it's a success and making Brexit look like the stupid failure it is.
They literally don't give a flying fark about Northern Ireland or the Northern Irish
 
2021-10-19 5:51:27 AM  

iron de havilland: somedude210: austerity101: I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.

Churchill and the War?

The wartime government was a unity government. When the war ended, the Tories were voted out and Labour started the NHS.

In the '60s, when the Tories were in power, they introduced major cuts to the rail network.

You like your Twitter, don't you? Have you seen the stuff about Johnson taking a holiday to Marbella while Britain burns, but doing publicity shots that show him painting because Churchill used to like to paint?

/I think it might have been Matt Hancock that spent £40,000 on a holiday recently and claimed he couldn't have got the full enjoyment of it because the sea was closed.
//What a bunch of c*nts.
///Without the warmth and depth.


Thanks for the clarification! For what it's worth, the only real British political history I know is post-war (80s-onward). And that's pretty lacking to begin with
 
2021-10-19 6:05:05 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: The Good Friday Agreement fostered economic success, and, with that, peace.

Fark up the economy, and you bring back the Troubles.


The British army hasn't had anyone to massacre in a while, so there's that.
 
2021-10-19 6:19:43 AM  

somedude210: austerity101: I'm no political historian, but of the little I know, the Tories have always been just the worst. Was there a point in history where they were the good guys, but then something happened? Because everything I know points to them always being colossal dicks.

Churchill and the War?


While Churchill made some good speeches in opposition to Hitler and the Nazis (which with irony that he found frustrating, were echoed by post-colonial leaders as eager to separate from the English empire as Churchill was to aver Nazi dominance over Europe) - he was still an racist imperialist as-hole who killed so many brown-skinned people that his memory is cursed, e.g. the Bengal Famine. Churchill was first to call for chemical bombing the Kurds, long before Saddam made it a thing, and the Kurds still call toilets "Winston Churchill" in his memory.
 
2021-10-19 9:01:51 AM  
This is part of why the U.S. is so farked up.
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2021-10-19 9:47:58 AM  

Lurk Who's Talking: My most recent Irish ancestors came to the US from County Longford in Meath circa 1730 (they say all true Irish can tell you their ancestral county, I just know it was recorded in a Bible; my ancestors was probably the bastard son of an Orange lord who did at least make sure the kid was well educated after his mother died - I learned from him the origin of the word "snob": it was an annotation in boarding school -"public school" - records next to his name, "s. Nob." Son of a nobleman.) From there, he was shipped to the New World, Virginia, to be manager of his legitimate siblings investments. I'll let the Gentle Reader imagine what those might entail. At least & at last, he met & married a Friend (a Quaker woman) who would only marry him if he became a Friend and an abolitionist, so some salvation in this World & the next.

That said, I have enough feeling for Ireland to hope it will find eventual unification.


Neat!

Just FYI, Longford and Meath are both counties:
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One of Irelands ancient kingdoms was Meath, but that was long, long gone by the 1730's.
It was broken up during the first invasion from Britain in the late 12th century.
 
2021-10-19 9:48:22 AM  

FullofMT: alienated: one Eire . Soon.

I think a Celtic UK governed from Edinburgh would be more agreeable to NI Unionists.   Heck why not allow NI MPs to take their seats in the Dall and in this new UK's parliament?


Well, it wouldn't be a UK, unless Queen Liz (or Charles?) wants out too...
 
2021-10-19 11:03:45 AM  

Arkanaut: FullofMT: alienated: one Eire . Soon.

I think a Celtic UK governed from Edinburgh would be more agreeable to NI Unionists.   Heck why not allow NI MPs to take their seats in the Dall and in this new UK's parliament?

Well, it wouldn't be a UK, unless Queen Liz (or Charles?) wants out too...


not necessarily.  The Queen is still the Queen of Canada, for instance, separately and distinctly from being the queen of England
 
2021-10-19 12:35:55 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Arkanaut: FullofMT: alienated: one Eire . Soon.

I think a Celtic UK governed from Edinburgh would be more agreeable to NI Unionists.   Heck why not allow NI MPs to take their seats in the Dall and in this new UK's parliament?

Well, it wouldn't be a UK, unless Queen Liz (or Charles?) wants out too...

not necessarily.  The Queen is still the Queen of Canada, for instance, separately and distinctly from being the queen of England


I doubt anyone in the Republic wants to have the British king again.
 
2021-10-19 1:03:34 PM  

TheAlgebraist: Arkanaut: FullofMT: alienated: one Eire . Soon.

I think a Celtic UK governed from Edinburgh would be more agreeable to NI Unionists.   Heck why not allow NI MPs to take their seats in the Dall and in this new UK's parliament?

Well, it wouldn't be a UK, unless Queen Liz (or Charles?) wants out too...

not necessarily.  The Queen is still the Queen of Canada, for instance, separately and distinctly from being the queen of England


But just as Canada isn't part of the UK, a separate NI + Scotland wouldn't be a "united kingdom" with England anymore. Even assuming they keep the monarchy, they would just be a part of a personal union.
 
2021-10-19 2:36:33 PM  
Lavish Gifts? Did yoh say... Lavish gifts?

/🎁
 
2021-10-19 3:51:03 PM  
What Tories look like:

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