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    More: Awkward, Volcano, New Zealand, wake of a devastating volcanic eruption, criminal charges, GNS Science, delivery of its volcanic alert bulletins, volcanic-risk scientist, case raises  
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2021-10-18 4:49:10 PM  
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2021-10-18 7:30:03 PM  
Tours of White Island have been suspended since the 2019 eruption, and there is debate about whether they should resume.

I thought I remembered tours being illegal at the time.
 
2021-10-18 7:41:00 PM  
Last November, the country's workplace health and safety regulator, WorkSafe New Zealand, laid two charges against GNS Science, which is based in Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

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2021-10-18 8:02:24 PM  

morg: Tours of White Island have been suspended since the 2019 eruption, and there is debate about whether they should resume.

I thought I remembered tours being illegal at the time.


I don't even remember the volcano.

Corona's been a hell of a ride
 
2021-10-18 8:09:01 PM  
The first charge alleges that GNS Science - formerly known as the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences Limited - failed to ensure the health and safety of helicopter pilots it hired to take its employees to the island.

Vaguely reasonable. But I would argue that the employees share and accepted the risk with full knowledge of possible outcomes, but then if GNS were lazy about it then there's definitely a case.

The second alleges that GNS Science should have consulted and coordinated with other agencies and tour operators, and reviewed "the structure, content and delivery of its volcanic alert bulletins" to ensure that they "effectively communicated the implications of volcanic activity".

Complete and utter bullshiat. If they're subject to this kind of liability then they would just issue bulletins that forever more say, "It's a farking volcano, stay away from it if you don't want to risk dying"

They don't profit from the tours, so what do they care if others can't.
 
2021-10-18 8:11:53 PM  
Earthquake organisation after guilty verdict on the second charge:
"There is a farking risk of earthquakes, you may die at any moment, do go anywhere where you could die if an earthquake hit"
 
2021-10-18 8:13:59 PM  
Imagine an Uber driver suing the passenger because they got carjacked.
 
2021-10-18 8:17:58 PM  

dyhchong: The first charge alleges that GNS Science - formerly known as the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences Limited - failed to ensure the health and safety of helicopter pilots it hired to take its employees to the island.

Vaguely reasonable. But I would argue that the employees share and accepted the risk with full knowledge of possible outcomes, but then if GNS were lazy about it then there's definitely a case.

The second alleges that GNS Science should have consulted and coordinated with other agencies and tour operators, and reviewed "the structure, content and delivery of its volcanic alert bulletins" to ensure that they "effectively communicated the implications of volcanic activity".

Complete and utter bullshiat. If they're subject to this kind of liability then they would just issue bulletins that forever more say, "It's a farking volcano, stay away from it if you don't want to risk dying"

They don't profit from the tours, so what do they care if others can't.


iirc that's basically what they were doing anyway, there had been increased activity on the island in the preceding weeks and there were warnings about going there, but GNS I'm guessing don't have the power to stop tourism operators. I didn't even know this case was happening. I can understand charging the people who took tourists to an active volcano, charging GNS is farkin' stupid.
 
2021-10-18 8:18:36 PM  

thehellisthis: Imagine an Uber driver suing the passenger because they got carjacked.


It's more OSH (the same party) pressing criminal charges against the police for not warning the Uber driver of carjackers in the area.
 
2021-10-18 9:18:03 PM  

thehellisthis: Imagine an Uber driver suing the passenger because they got carjacked.


That one is easier. The passenger put you in a position to be carjacked and might likely have been in coordination with the carjacker. But all cars lock their doors while in drive, so the carjacker knew where the passenger was being picked up or dropped off.

It's a volcanic island with a active yada yada, the danger was known and part of the attraction. If the volcanologist said no access, then they would get accused of being too safe and hurting tourism. And saying no access would require active security. I'd say it's a kangaroo court, but Kiwis hate being mistaken for Aussies.
 
2021-10-18 10:27:11 PM  
Seems like if any insurance company didn't have to pay for damages because the eruption was "an act of God", then the scientists should get off for not being able to predict it.
 
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