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(Gizmodo)   The Notch comes to Apple's new and otherwise cool MacBook Pros. Also, there's an adorable pumpkin colored HomePod mini that isn't shipping until _after_ Halloween   (gizmodo.com) divider line
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2021-10-18 4:39:32 PM  
So Apple's adding a white supremacist to its products?
 
2021-10-18 5:04:02 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: So Apple's adding a white supremacist to its products?


You know who else had a book.
 
2021-10-18 5:19:24 PM  
Hopefully this means that all of the other manufacturers will finally ditch USB Type-C only on their computers and eliminate the need for dongles.
 
2021-10-18 5:37:32 PM  

dyhchong: Hopefully this means that all of the other manufacturers will finally ditch USB Type-C only on their computers and eliminate the need for dongles.


With the exception of the HDMI port (and the headphone jack, which I don't think Apple ever dropped on its laptops), the new MBPs are still USB-C only. (I don't consider an SD Card slot as a "port".) Even the MagSafe port is literally USB-PD with a different connector (the charging brick is USB-PD, and then you get a USB-C to MagSafe cord to plug into it), which may explain why there are only 3 USB-C ports (as opposed to 4 on the Intel MBP).

So, you'll still need dongles or a dock or adapters or whatever to plug in everything else.
 
2021-10-18 6:04:49 PM  

dyhchong: Hopefully this means that all of the other manufacturers will finally ditch USB Type-C only on their computers and eliminate the need for dongles.


What do you want back. Presumably one type A and a HDMI?

Cause I 100% agree with you on the HDMI.
 
2021-10-18 6:13:15 PM  
Not everybody wants to look up into your your nose, because your laptop manufacturer put the webcam next to the keyboard.
 
2021-10-18 6:24:01 PM  
As far as the late timing on the HomePod - it's probably been sitting on a ship for months.
 
2021-10-18 6:28:28 PM  
Oof...

Taking a LOT of willpower not to click that button.  If only the current one wasn't farking indestructible well into its 10th year of service.


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2021-10-18 6:39:29 PM  
The Johnson Notch?

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2021-10-18 6:39:35 PM  
Wasn't Apples biggest sales push to the just starting University kids?  Haven't they been missing that time frame mark for quite some time?

Was there any mention at all of a mac mini update?  The older ones seem to be dying of bad caps in the video circuit causing the screen to blank out at random times.

What I would like to see in a mac mini is 4 USB A ports, 4 USB c, ports, 10 gig option, built in power supply, slots for NVMe x 2 or 2x sata disks (or 2x nvme + 1 sata because of space), 2 or 4 slots for ddr4.  Sure the 8 gig of nearly L3 ram is nice but some of us will use all we can get (but not at apple's prices).  A 2nd 10g ethernet would be very useful too.  The bottom of the case needs to allow enough air intake to put them like books on a shelf. Make then fit on a standard 4RU shelf, that that would be even better.
 
2021-10-18 6:44:57 PM  

Gubbo: dyhchong: Hopefully this means that all of the other manufacturers will finally ditch USB Type-C only on their computers and eliminate the need for dongles.

What do you want back. Presumably one type A and a HDMI?

Cause I 100% agree with you on the HDMI.


I like several type-As, plugging into 3D printers, label printers, older industrial machines, testing equipment, or for plugging into ANY mobile device, including older ones for testing/provisioning etc.

For example my wireless trackball is Unifying receiver only. And it's the absolute greatest travel companion, since I don't have to move my arm it's ideal for flights/travel and any scenario where I don't have desk space, I can sit it on my thigh, belly, thin flight armrest and is still better than a regular mouse on a desk. For me, there is nothing comparable to a trackball.

Also not really "wanting back" as I never lost them on my choice of laptops.

RJ-45 for when I'm at at a real desk, or having to configure a server/switch or other device.

HDMI definitely.

DP (double penetration) through TB (tuberculosis) is fine as DP never really made it to shared screen environments.

SD (or at least uSD) is also useful as I take a lot of photos, I have a slot on both my laptop and my desktop. Having to plug into one or the other, then migrate large quantities of photos around over wireless would be a huge pain in the arse. Dongles would be annoying and stupid when they can be seamlessly built into the devices (which they are in my case).

Having empty space around the sides and back of a laptop isn't a benefit.
 
2021-10-18 7:02:25 PM  
the M1 Pro's graphics performance is up to 7 times faster than the integrated graphics on MSI's GP66 Leopard.

So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.

And the notch is obnoxious.
 
2021-10-18 7:18:28 PM  

DON.MAC: Wasn't Apples biggest sales push to the just starting University kids?  Haven't they been missing that time frame mark for quite some time?


Since at least 1999. Apple's Back-To-School push was always computer bundled with ipod/printer/whatever at a slight discount. I don't think they've had any major computer reveals before BTS season later than June.

As for the notch...
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That blank space in the middle is where it would go. On the new MBPs, the menubar is now in extra space that didn't exist on previous ones. Movies and video wouldn't use that space, and for just about all apps it won't be an issue.

/Am disappointed the Touch bar is going away.
 
2021-10-18 7:19:03 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: the M1 Pro's graphics performance is up to 7 times faster than the integrated graphics on MSI's GP66 Leopard.

So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.

And the notch is obnoxious.


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2021-10-18 7:32:07 PM  

Izunbacol: Oof...

Taking a LOT of willpower not to click that button.  If only the current one wasn't farking indestructible well into its 10th year of service.


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Last year I bought the newest 13" MBP when it came with the 10th generation Intel processor. I got the model with 4 USB-C ports, so about $1.700. Had I waited I could have got the $1,999 version of the 14" with the M1 Pro processor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2021-10-18 7:37:56 PM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: the M1 Pro's graphics performance is up to 7 times faster than the integrated graphics on MSI's GP66 Leopard.

So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.

And the notch is obnoxious.

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That comparison is made against 16" MacBook Pros with 9th generation Intel chips.
Intel is set to release 12th gen chips this month.
Also the dedicated graphics in the previous generation MacBook Pros are pretty bad.
Yes, the new Macbooks are better than the old MacBooks.
But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.
 
2021-10-18 8:27:30 PM  
Looking to replace my mid-2012 macbook that is kind of on its last legs. Would prefer something with less power but don't want to have a 13" screen. Might get the low end version.
 
2021-10-18 8:43:37 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.


Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.
 
2021-10-18 8:53:39 PM  

trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.


Yeah, if you're set on just using MacOS. However there are OS-agnostic users out there.
 
2021-10-18 9:17:36 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.

Yeah, if you're set on just using MacOS. However there are OS-agnostic users out there.


I wonder what percentage of people would classify as OS-agnostic. I mean, the OS determines basically everything about how you use the machine. What software you can run, how you run that software, how you store files, etc. How many people are willing to change everything in their workflow?
 
2021-10-18 9:21:06 PM  

trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.


I use both MacOS and Windows machines. The software I use (Photoshop and Resolve) run on both platforms, so I watch for performance comparisons.
 
2021-10-18 9:34:06 PM  

trialpha: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.

Yeah, if you're set on just using MacOS. However there are OS-agnostic users out there.

I wonder what percentage of people would classify as OS-agnostic. I mean, the OS determines basically everything about how you use the machine. What software you can run, how you run that software, how you store files, etc. How many people are willing to change everything in their workflow?


As Abe pointed out, if the software is universal then system performance is usually the driving factor. I personally don't use any OS specific software, so the OS is just kind of in the background for me.

My workstation is Windows, but my laptop is MacOS
 
2021-10-19 12:56:41 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.

Yeah, if you're set on just using MacOS. However there are OS-agnostic users out there.


I don't think you know what agnostic means
 
2021-10-19 1:06:30 AM  

chitownmike: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.

Yeah, if you're set on just using MacOS. However there are OS-agnostic users out there.

I don't think you know what agnostic means


how does that not fit one of the non-religious definitions of "agnostic?"
 
2021-10-19 1:39:55 AM  

trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.


You should google "Hackintosh" - right now it's easier than it's ever been to run MacOS on commodity hardware

/ though soon to become "impossible"
 
2021-10-19 6:49:00 AM  

Enigmamf: trialpha: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But compared to other laptops with dedicated graphics, I guess we'll have to wait for real world comparisons.

Does it really matter what the comparison to non-Apple laptops is? If you're an Apple/macOS person, you're stuck buying whatever hardware Apple produces. It's not like you could run macOS on anything else. It's Apple; all or nothing.

You should google "Hackintosh" - right now it's easier than it's ever been to run MacOS on commodity hardware

/ though soon to become "impossible"


I'm quite familiar with hackintosh.
 
2021-10-19 9:19:29 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.


An integrated GPU that stomps Intel/AMD integrated GPUs so badly that it has to be compared against discrete GPUs bodes quite well for graphics performance.

In terms of performance, Apple is battling it out with the very best available in the market, comparing the performance of the M1 Max to that of a mobile GeForce RTX 3080, at 100W less power (60W vs 160W). Apple also includes a 100W TDP variant of the RTX 3080 for comparison, here, outperforming the NVIDIA discrete GPU, while still using 40% less power.
 
2021-10-19 9:38:44 AM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: the M1 Pro's graphics performance is up to 7 times faster than the integrated graphics on MSI's GP66 Leopard.

So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.

And the notch is obnoxious.

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Apple can say these things, but until they're out in the real world we won't know. It looks impressive though.

But I have a hard time believing that they can legitimately compete with discrete GPUs. I mean, maybe they can for a lot of use cases.

/but I also think if you combined all the speed increases across iphones, the newwest iphone is 70 quadrillion times faster than the first one
//number is clearly an exaggeration and not intended as a factual reference point
 
2021-10-19 9:47:53 AM  

Gubbo: Apple can say these things, but until they're out in the real world we won't know.


Apple's history shows that the comparisons they make at product announcements tend to hold up to scrutiny.

For instance, the new iPhones:  Compared to the competition, the A15 isn't +50 faster as Apple claims, but rather +62% faster.
 
2021-10-19 12:18:13 PM  

BullBearMS: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: So... they are doing integrated graphics comparisons.

That does not bode well for graphics performance.

An integrated GPU that stomps Intel/AMD integrated GPUs so badly that it has to be compared against discrete GPUs bodes quite well for graphics performance.

In terms of performance, Apple is battling it out with the very best available in the market, comparing the performance of the M1 Max to that of a mobile GeForce RTX 3080, at 100W less power (60W vs 160W). Apple also includes a 100W TDP variant of the RTX 3080 for comparison, here, outperforming the NVIDIA discrete GPU, while still using 40% less power


That article says it has similar performance to a 3050, a 3050 is nowhere near the performance of a 3080. It is actually slower than the older '1660. So no it does not have anywhere near the GPU power of a dedicated GPU.

This article also compares it's cpu performane to the 3 generation old I9 9 series. Intels 12 series is launching soon, and so will AMD's 5nm chips. A lot of M1's efficiency comes from it's 5nm process.
 
2021-10-19 12:50:17 PM  

entangl3d: That article says it has similar performance to a 3050, a 3050 is nowhere near the performance of a 3080. It is actually slower than the older '1660. So no it does not have anywhere near the GPU power of a dedicated GPU.


That's not what the article says at all.  They compare the lower end integrated GPU to the 3050.

In this case, pitting the M1 Pro against a GeForce RTX 3050 Ti 4GB, with the Apple chip achieving similar performance at 70% less power.

Laptops with a 3080 either have to throttle way the hell down when you are running on battery or can't manage to hit two hours of battery life.

They compare the higher end integrated GPU to the low power variant of the 3080.

Apple also includes a 100W TDP variant of the RTX 3080 for comparison, here, outperforming the NVIDIA discrete GPU, while still using 40% less power.

The 160 Watt variant of the 3080 will outperform, but it's burning 100 extra watts of power, which cannot be sustained on battery power.

Apple's performance-over-battery-life chip has yet to see the light of day, but the same people who nailed what these chips would be say that Apple's next chip will double the GPU cores again.
 
2021-10-19 1:48:24 PM  

BullBearMS: That's not what the article says at all. They compare the lower end integrated GPU to the 3050.

In this case, pitting the M1 Pro against a GeForce RTX 3050 Ti 4GB, with the Apple chip achieving similar performance at 70% less power.

Laptops with a 3080 either have to throttle way the hell down when you are running on battery or can't manage to hit two hours of battery life.

They compare the higher end integrated GPU to the low power variant of the 3080.

Apple also includes a 100W TDP variant of the RTX 3080 for comparison, here, outperforming the NVIDIA discrete GPU, while still using 40% less power.

The 160 Watt variant of the 3080 will outperform, but it's burning 100 extra watts of power, which cannot be sustained on battery power.

Apple's performance-over-battery-life chip has yet to see the light of day, but the same people who nailed what these chips would be say that Apple's next chip will double the GPU cores again.


So they are comparing their new shiny Macbook pro's $2500+ graphic performance to something that can be had at a sub $1000 price? For that 3080 performance you'll be spending north of $4000 for performance that can be had for around $2000 and have more ram and storage to boot? Sounds like Apples back to there old selves on these.

Not to mention the horrible privacy policy of Big Sur which I assume will continue in Monterey that makes M$ look pedestrian.

Bad price, closed platform, bad privacy, no thanks.

The Macbook Air however is tempting though once a Linux distro works well on it.
 
2021-10-19 1:55:19 PM  

entangl3d: So they are comparing their new shiny Macbook pro's $2500+ graphic performance to something that can be had at a sub $1000 price?


Which high end gaming laptop with a 3080 costs $1000?
 
2021-10-19 2:03:06 PM  

BullBearMS: Which high end gaming laptop with a 3080 costs $1000?


The Macbbok pro with 16 GPU cores start at around $2500 is comparable to a 3050ti laptop which start at ...$1000.

The M1 that competes with a 3080, the M1 Max with 32 GPU cores. It starts at $3100 for a 14 inch screen and mid range ram to go with it.
 
2021-10-19 2:07:22 PM  

entangl3d: BullBearMS: Which high end gaming laptop with a 3080 costs $1000?

The Macbbok pro with 16 GPU cores start at around $2500 is comparable to a 3050ti laptop which start at ...$1000.

The M1 that competes with a 3080, the M1 Max with 32 GPU cores. It starts at $3100 for a 14 inch screen and mid range ram to go with it.


Is that a high resolution HDR screen with a variable refresh rate that hits 1000 nits of brightness sustained and has industry leading color calibration?

Or are we pretending generic junk hardware is the same thing?
 
2021-10-19 2:26:51 PM  

BullBearMS: Is that a high resolution HDR screen with a variable refresh rate that hits 1000 nits of brightness sustained and has industry leading color calibration?

Or are we pretending generic junk hardware is the same thing?


Huh where did that goalpost get off to? Whats funny is you just assuming all hardware outside of Apple is junk.

The new Dell Xps' Oled has a better display than Apples Retina LCD. But I assume you'll ignore that because it's cheaper and it's not an apple product. In your mind anything not Apple is Generic i guess.
 
2021-10-19 2:32:46 PM  

entangl3d: BullBearMS: Is that a high resolution HDR screen with a variable refresh rate that hits 1000 nits of brightness sustained and has industry leading color calibration?

Or are we pretending generic junk hardware is the same thing?

Huh where did that goalpost get off to? Whats funny is you just assuming all hardware outside of Apple is junk.

The new Dell Xps' Oled has a better display than Apples Retina LCD. But I assume you'll ignore that because it's cheaper and it's not an apple product. In your mind anything not Apple is Generic i guess.


Now we're getting somewhere.  Pick a real laptop from a vendor people have heard of and don't just tell us how cheap the cheap low end crap is.

A Dell XPS 17 with an 11th-gen Intel Core i7 processor, 32GB of RAM and a discrete Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 GPU runs $2,949.
 
2021-10-19 2:47:43 PM  
Dell XPS 17 (2021) review

They reviewed it speced out to USD $2,949.


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2021-10-19 3:39:09 PM  

BullBearMS: They reviewed it speced out to USD $2,949.


That Dell has a higher threaded CPU, A larger higher quality display, and twice as much storage. It also has user servicable battery, user upgradeable RAM and Storage.

Just the ram and ssd pushes the macbook up to is up over 3,499.00, and if i need more on the Dell I can just put more in. The mac would have to be replaced. The only upside of the mac there would be maybe the GPU, but I have doubts on Apples claim of graphics performance. They kinda fudged the GPU claims of the Macbook air as well.

The Dell can run any OS I choose to run. Whether I choose windows, Linux, or even gasp Macos.
 
2021-10-19 3:52:05 PM  

entangl3d: That Dell has a higher threaded CPU


GPU is far from the only deficit.

That Dell gets lower multi-threaded performance while having a much shorter battery life.

Can't even manage six and a half hours of video and runs hot while just playing a video an nothing else?

The display is half as bright, doesn't support HDR content, doesn't support a variable refresh rate and doesn't cover the entire DCI-P3 colorspace, which is required on a professional display.

The SSD is slower.  The RAM is not only slower, but there are less channels of RAM to start with, so the bandwidth to memory is way lower.

What happened to your $1000 goalposts from before?  This is worse when you pay up around $3000.
 
2021-10-19 4:20:13 PM  
Here are the early CPU numbers from Anandtech's CPU guy:

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So 12,422 multicore on the M1 Pro or Max vs. 8, 994 multicore from the review of the Dell XPS 17 above.

The Dell XPS 17 only got 72% of the multicore CPU performance, despite being spec bumped up to a 3,000 dollar price tag?
 
2021-10-19 4:37:19 PM  

entangl3d: BullBearMS: They reviewed it speced out to USD $2,949.

That Dell has a higher threaded CPU, A larger higher quality display, and twice as much storage. It also has user servicable battery, user upgradeable RAM and Storage.

Just the ram and ssd pushes the macbook up to is up over 3,499.00, and if i need more on the Dell I can just put more in. The mac would have to be replaced. The only upside of the mac there would be maybe the GPU, but I have doubts on Apples claim of graphics performance. They kinda fudged the GPU claims of the Macbook air as well.

The Dell can run any OS I choose to run. Whether I choose windows, Linux, or even gasp Macos.


You can't win against a, i'm going to say fanboy.
 
2021-10-19 4:45:34 PM  

Gubbo: entangl3d: BullBearMS: They reviewed it speced out to USD $2,949.

That Dell has a higher threaded CPU, A larger higher quality display, and twice as much storage. It also has user servicable battery, user upgradeable RAM and Storage.

Just the ram and ssd pushes the macbook up to is up over 3,499.00, and if i need more on the Dell I can just put more in. The mac would have to be replaced. The only upside of the mac there would be maybe the GPU, but I have doubts on Apples claim of graphics performance. They kinda fudged the GPU claims of the Macbook air as well.

The Dell can run any OS I choose to run. Whether I choose windows, Linux, or even gasp Macos.

You can't win against a, i'm going to say fanboy.


LOL.  If the numbers don't work out for you, then cry fanboy?

PC compatibles have a memory bandwidth between the CPU and DRAM of about 18 to 35 GBps.

The high end version of this is ten times faster.

Damn, Apple.
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2021-10-19 4:48:58 PM  

BullBearMS: GPU is far from the only deficit.

That Dell gets lower multi-threaded performance while having a much shorter battery life.

Can't even manage six and a half hours of video and runs hot while just playing a video an nothing else?

The display is half as bright, doesn't support HDR content, doesn't support a variable refresh rate and doesn't cover the entire DCI-P3 colorspace, which is required on a professional display.

The SSD is slower. The RAM is not only slower, but there are less channels of RAM to start with, so the bandwidth to memory is way lower.

What happened to your $1000 goalposts from before? This is worse when you pay up around $3000.


That Dell does not have a lower multithreaded performance anymore than it did against the Macbook Air. It's been long shown that the original M1s had severe perfomance regressions running heavy tasks, and while multitasking. Just look up all the problems they had with things like blender. Just google M1 poor performance and you'll see thousands of results. This may be because of rosetta but that doesnt really matter much. It may also be a limitation in the inability of Arm to leverage more than 8gb per core. It may also be because of only having a set number of full cores and relying on efficiency cores while on battery. It may also be because Apple was fudging benchmarks just like the did back when they used power pc chips

It damn sure does support HDR or did you not actually read what you yourself posted.

The display is half as bright, doesn't support HDR content, doesn't support a variable refresh rate and doesn't cover the entire DCI-P3 colorspace, which is required on a professional display.

The Dell page claims 100% adobe RGB and 97% DCI-P3 . I could not find the specs for the new Macs. Until this brand new mac Apple also had only 500 nits brightness. So that's something they've had for only a day or 2. The Mac also doesn't actually have a full 4K resolution it's about 400 pixel short on the horizontal but we will ignore that. Besides nobody in those fields are doing the professional work on a tiny laptop screen. They're plugging into a giant very expensive panel.

I don't care about battery life in a pro level computer. It most likely will be plugged in anyays. Can't really do rendering or pro level work on the go.

Dell has had gen4 ssd since Intel 11 series which is the same as the Apple. It's also upgradeable. No 600 for a $100 2TB ssd.

The Mac has a higher Memory pipeline because it is literally built into the CPU. It's also why you are stuck with what you bought.

My $1000 goalpost holds true. You can get a laptop with better graphics performance than any of these Macbooks (except for the max) for less than 1000 dollars. That 8gb 3060 is way beyond the 16 core gpu in any of the Macbooks besides the very expensive 32 GPU core M1 max that starts at 3500.


Can't even manage six and a half hours of video and runs hot while just playing a video an nothing else?

Is this a question? The Dell has a Battery life of about 14 hours, I'd never be away from power longer than that anyway. If I am I got bigger problems than a computer anyway.
 
2021-10-19 4:50:25 PM  

Gubbo: You can't win against a, i'm going to say fanboy.


Oh I know I just like watching them squirm about supporting a terrible company.
 
2021-10-19 4:52:52 PM  

BullBearMS: LOL. If the numbers don't work out for you, then cry fanboy?

PC compatibles have a memory bandwidth between the CPU and DRAM of about 18 to 35 GBps.

The high end version of this is ten times faster.


Poor Anthony sure did use the words supposedly a lot in that video there fanboy. He also like the other M1 video from Sponsored Tech Tips just have to go with what Apple tells them.
 
2021-10-19 4:58:27 PM  

entangl3d: That Dell does not have a lower multithreaded performance anymore than it did against the Macbook Air.


LOL, no.

I reject reality and substitute my own imaginary figures is not a valid argument.Still waiting to see that $1000 laptop with specs even close, or was that just a fanboy delusion?
 
2021-10-19 5:23:28 PM  

BullBearMS: LOL, no.

I reject reality and substitute my own imaginary figures is not a valid argument.Still waiting to see that $1000 laptop with specs even close, or was that just a fanboy delusion.


I never said a 1000 laptop would be better all around. I said that $1000 laptop will have a better GPU than that in the $2000 Mac pro. Which is 100% true The $2000 Mac pro is equivilent to a 3050, here is a sub 1000 Laptop with a 3050ti for 900.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-g15​-​15-6-fhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-8gb​-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-ti-gra​phics-512gb-ssd-phantom-grey-with-spec​kles/6461724.p?skuId=6461724

Or do you have reading comprehension problems.

Here is a whole bunch of M1 poor performance, and performance regressions. There are loads of them. Not to mention over heating and thermal throttling.

https://www.google.com/search?client=​f​irefox-b-1-d&q=M1+poor+performance

https://www.google.com/search?client=​f​irefox-b-1-d&q=m1+thermal+throttling

Just for good laughs here is a class action against apple for garbage screens in the macbook airs.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-​f​acing-class-action-lawsuits-over-macbo​ok-m1-screen-cracks

You keep calling me a fanboy but I haven't defended a single company here. You however are inable to take criticism for Apple in any way.  Kinda like a devoted cult member maybe?
 
2021-10-19 6:01:16 PM  

entangl3d: Can't really do rendering or pro level work on the go.


You can on a Mac.
 
2021-10-19 6:12:05 PM  

BullBearMS: ere are the early CPU numbers from Anandtech's CPU guy:


I just seen this one. You do realize that SMT enabled CPU's will perform worse than Non SMT Cpu's in those benchmarks. A SMT will withhold anywhere from 15 to as much as 50% of its speed waiting for more threads for Hyperthreading. The M1 is a single thread per core and does not have that limitation. Its also why AMD's old dog CPU's showed better performance than the much faster Core Cpu's. They weren't hyperthreading.

It may also be why the M1 looks so good on paper but fails in real world use. Even in a single threaded application AMD and Intel CPU's are reserving for additional threads.

Just more Apple fudging how things work to make themselves look better.
 
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