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321 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 18 Oct 2021 at 10:10 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-10-18 6:18:58 AM  
Ha farkin' ha. Back in the day, Sci Fi envisioned us as a super-race, studying all the disciplines and building our perfect bodies. No shortages, anybody could have whatever they wanted at any time.
How's that working out? No jobs = no money, no life and no future. Only the 1% will gain any benefit, and they'll probably be miserable anyway.
 
2021-10-18 6:24:16 AM  
I read it in a Fark link, fifteen years ago...
Living in the Future
Youtube NspeO0PPB6Q
 
2021-10-18 7:25:17 AM  
If we don't work many of us will spiral out of control due to lack of structure.
 
2021-10-18 8:51:18 AM  
Because we'll all be dead?
 
2021-10-18 10:15:38 AM  

xanadian: Because we'll all be dead?


Came here to post exactly that, without the questionmark.

/the human race will be totally extinct by the end of this century
 
2021-10-18 10:25:52 AM  
In the near future (5 years)  IIIIIII won't have to work for a living because I will be retired.  The rest of you schlubs? Not sure I care.
 
2021-10-18 10:26:33 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: If we don't work many of us will spiral out of control due to lack of structure.


If lockdown taught me anything, it's that without a structured work environment, I am an incredibly lazy and disgusting lump of a person.
 
2021-10-18 10:30:21 AM  
If you were 120 years-old, you could have read this article every year for the last 120 years.  We keep saying "because of efficiency and production advances in X, there will be less workers needed" and that's true but only for the industry where that is happening.  We used to have 1,000 people working in a steel mill.  Now we have 150 and the other 850 are off doing something else including Jazzercise instruction.

On the flip side, you needed a 4 string quartet to play Haydn 270 years ago, and you still need a 4 string quartet to play Haydn.  This is what leads to Baumol's cost disease (why education and surgery cost so much).
 
2021-10-18 10:44:39 AM  
In the present, however....

Huey Lewis And The News - Workin' For A Livin'
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2021-10-18 10:47:18 AM  
Didn't make it far enough in that pap to see if they mentioned bitcoin or not.

/probably
 
2021-10-18 11:00:25 AM  
It's true.  In about 5 years I won't have to work anymore.
 
2021-10-18 11:01:10 AM  
We're never going to solve scarcity, so none of this will ever happen. That and people are putting way too much faith in AI, while forgetting that the most avaricious capitalists of our time are the people that will control it.
 
2021-10-18 11:09:17 AM  
As long as the US remains a staunchly conservative nation that holds the puritanical beliefs of religious extremists that were so extreme they were ejected out of renaissance England, work will be needed here. Because we are so capitalist, and so focused on work as a measure of worth, that even as every other nation adopts UBI and robots take over the workforce, Americans will die in squalor and poverty because all the jobs are taken by robots, but our healthcare will remain employer based, and if you don't work you don't eat.
 
2021-10-18 11:20:51 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: xanadian: Because we'll all be dead?

Came here to post exactly that, without the questionmark.

/the human race will be totally extinct by the end of this century


Not even almost.
 
2021-10-18 11:37:57 AM  
You'll join the military or the Reeks and Wrecks, and you'll like it have no strong feelings about it either way.
 
2021-10-18 11:50:44 AM  
No, I'm pretty confident that blockchain will solve this problem.
 
2021-10-18 12:03:49 PM  
People don't want to pay us to work, they're certainly not going to pay us to not work.
 
2021-10-18 12:45:27 PM  
The thing is, Mort (the robot) doesn't need a paycheck.

But Mort's creation and maintenance aren't anywhere near free, so the money Mort's 'free' work creates simply goes to whomever paid to have Mort created and maintained.

The whole article is stupid, pointless, and full of crap.
 
2021-10-18 12:49:21 PM  
https://www.amazon.com/Bullshiat-Jobs​-​Theory-David-Graeber/dp/150114331X

In the future, we will all have to sanitize telephones 60 hours a week, because the thing after machine learning will be controlling robots/writing code/doing all the work better than us, and if there is one thing that people with money hate is seeing it go to other people without enough work being done.

InfoFreako: People don't want to pay us to work, they're certainly not going to pay us to not work.


What is the point of being a 1%er if you can't look down on the misery of the 99%?
 
2021-10-18 1:20:52 PM  

covfefe: No, I'm pretty confident that blockchain will solve this problem.


By consuming all the available energy on the planet?
 
2021-10-18 1:58:44 PM  

LZeitgeist: The thing is, Mort (the robot) doesn't need a paycheck.

But Mort's creation and maintenance aren't anywhere near free, so the money Mort's 'free' work creates simply goes to whomever paid to have Mort created and maintained.

The whole article is stupid, pointless, and full of crap.


But what happens down the road when Mort is designed by an AI, and maintained by another robot designed and manufactured by AI? Robots also mined and forged the materials and delivered it all without any humans involved beyond being passive observers.

At a certain point being the "owner" of the AI won't really mean anything, and you can't collect profit from people with no money.
 
2021-10-18 2:40:26 PM  
Ive work in data, and big data for 20 years.   At all the conferences they keep saying it will be automated in the cloud, and Ill be out a job. Thing is as things get more complex, some of the more basic, mundane part of my work becomes automated, but the work load increases year to year.  More folks want the data, they want to share or capture more data and none of these fools knows how to form any of the data.

As long as management wants hand holding and others to do the work, it isnt going anywhere.  I can retire in about 15 years and there is no way it will be automated by then.
 
2021-10-18 2:42:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: LZeitgeist: The thing is, Mort (the robot) doesn't need a paycheck.

But Mort's creation and maintenance aren't anywhere near free, so the money Mort's 'free' work creates simply goes to whomever paid to have Mort created and maintained.

The whole article is stupid, pointless, and full of crap.

But what happens down the road when Mort is designed by an AI, and maintained by another robot designed and manufactured by AI? Robots also mined and forged the materials and delivered it all without any humans involved beyond being passive observers.

At a certain point being the "owner" of the AI won't really mean anything, and you can't collect profit from people with no money.


Yeah, that situation will take probably fifty years to evolve, and the modern society necessary to support that level of technological advancement won't survive another 5 years the way we're going.
 
2021-10-18 3:09:44 PM  
Based on how well AI drives cars and writes scripts, I have zero faith in it.
 
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