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2021-10-17 10:32:59 PM  
Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.
 
2021-10-17 10:42:24 PM  

gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.


#TeamAmp
 
2021-10-18 3:15:43 AM  
I watched the first couple of episodes and I've never read the book, and it was OK but I really think we are getting burned out on post-apocalypse tales as a society. Back in the 1990s I loved that stuff but now it seems like every other series has some zombies or a virus or whatever and here we go again.

It's not that the comic book or series were bad, but it's just too cluttered a genre these days. We have our own apocalypses to deal with these days.
 
2021-10-18 3:40:19 AM  

gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.


So very much this. The double-secret service agent is probably the most likeable of the lot, and she is a psycho killer.

Pretty sure Yorick survived because his Y chromosome was bent out of shape. Such a whiney biatch.

Pronounced the Eight Deadly Words at around episode 4. No idea why I lasted even that long.
 
2021-10-18 6:56:39 AM  

gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.


Succession proves that you can root against everyone and still enjoy the show.
 
2021-10-18 7:57:58 AM  

gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.


So they kept the adaptation true to the comic then.
 
2021-10-18 8:00:14 AM  

Confabulat: I watched the first couple of episodes and I've never read the book, and it was OK but I really think we are getting burned out on post-apocalypse tales as a society. Back in the 1990s I loved that stuff but now it seems like every other series has some zombies or a virus or whatever and here we go again.

It's not that the comic book or series were bad, but it's just too cluttered a genre these days. We have our own apocalypses to deal with these days.


Burn out or a real "apocalypse" clouds our understanding and enjoyment.

Like people who do actual computer things watching a t.v. show or movie "do the hax" and their eyes roll out the door.
 
2021-10-18 8:01:14 AM  
That was one of those comics that had a great premise that I really wanted to love, but the execution was just...okay. The art was okay, the characters were okay, the situations were okay...I slogged through it because I had committed to it, and it wasn't BAD, but I never stopped hoping that it would suddenly get great. It never did.
 
2021-10-18 8:02:00 AM  

gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.


So it was faithful to the comic, then.
 
2021-10-18 8:12:28 AM  
Did it ever air on FX (or FXX), or just Hulu (which is the only place I saw it)?  I'm wondering if they would have had more eyes on it if they had offered it elsewhere.
 
2021-10-18 8:21:27 AM  
All people with Y chromosomes died? I know why the series was cancelled. The show could only end one way.

The world would fill with sandwiches but no one to eat them.

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2021-10-18 8:22:33 AM  

Jesus McSordid: gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.

So very much this. The double-secret service agent is probably the most likeable of the lot, and she is a psycho killer.

Pretty sure Yorick survived because his Y chromosome was bent out of shape. Such a whiney biatch.

Pronounced the Eight Deadly Words at around episode 4. No idea why I lasted even that long.


I stopped at episode 3. I could not care about anyone.

There are so many great series around, that I stop faster than I used to.

So, I take this opportunity to ask : is "Kevin can F himself" any good ?
 
2021-10-18 8:23:09 AM  
Leave it to libs to defend hard cold feminazi fantasies
 
2021-10-18 8:35:18 AM  
What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.
 
2021-10-18 8:36:04 AM  

LewDux: Leave it to libs to defend hard cold feminazi fantasies


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2021-10-18 8:39:20 AM  

luidprand: What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.


The plot armor of the characters in Saga really turned me off from the series.
 
2021-10-18 9:10:32 AM  
In other words, Y not?
 
2021-10-18 9:12:41 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: luidprand: What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.

The plot armor of the characters in Saga really turned me off from the series.


You didn't read far enough then
 
2021-10-18 9:27:06 AM  
I really wanted to like this, I really did. But it was just so goddamn ...blah. Not to mention it was so annoyingly 'woke'. Damn near every character is played by a woman. Give it a rest already, amirite?
 
2021-10-18 9:27:45 AM  
Alas, poor Yorick...
 
2021-10-18 9:30:23 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Tyrone Slothrop: luidprand: What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.

The plot armor of the characters in Saga really turned me off from the series.

You didn't read far enough then


I'm still reeling from the last issue, though for me it is the other death. Even before that there were a few characters I liked who got chopped.
 
2021-10-18 9:37:17 AM  
Cremerie did it so much better. Let's hope it does get a second season.
 
2021-10-18 9:38:20 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Tyrone Slothrop: luidprand: What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.

The plot armor of the characters in Saga really turned me off from the series.

You didn't read far enough then


I read the first three books or so. It just kindof seemed to go on. Things happened, but I just couldn't bring myself to care.
 
2021-10-18 9:42:09 AM  

luidprand: Lumbar Puncture: Tyrone Slothrop: luidprand: What put me off even starting the series was the way the comic ended, with what a couple pointless "screw you"s to the readers. If they had happened earlier in the series, and we saw the ramifications rather than just having a wall of text saying what happened next, it would have been forgivable. Instead, it was as bad as the last bit of The Magicians (where Quentin reverts to being a useless dick, undoing all his character development) or everything in the Walking Dead after they left the farm (where Kirkman ran out of ideas and just did the same damn thing again and again).

Brian K. Vaughn is usually a better writer than that. Usually.

/I still don't get the appeal of Saga. It's not bad, but not particularly good, either.

The plot armor of the characters in Saga really turned me off from the series.

You didn't read far enough then

I read the first three books or so. It just kindof seemed to go on. Things happened, but I just couldn't bring myself to care.


You probably read far enough then.
 
2021-10-18 10:04:56 AM  

padraig: So, I take this opportunity to ask : is "Kevin can F himself" any good ?



Honestly, no. Unless you find the "All men are absolute farking idiots and all women are patiently, silently suffering with a deep yet unrealized frustration" trope hilarious.

I watched the first three episodes and then checked out.
 
2021-10-18 10:05:33 AM  

padraig: Jesus McSordid: gopher321: Not a surprise. They made the characters extremely unlikeable.

So very much this. The double-secret service agent is probably the most likeable of the lot, and she is a psycho killer.

Pretty sure Yorick survived because his Y chromosome was bent out of shape. Such a whiney biatch.

Pronounced the Eight Deadly Words at around episode 4. No idea why I lasted even that long.

I stopped at episode 3. I could not care about anyone.

There are so many great series around, that I stop faster than I used to.

So, I take this opportunity to ask : is "Kevin can F himself" any good ?


Fantastic
 
2021-10-18 10:08:00 AM  
If the show was not constant orgies, then I don't see the point.

//Kind of kidding, but I know how HBO would have handled it.
 
2021-10-18 10:08:40 AM  
I tried to watch that show. There was nobody I wasn't hoping would catch a bullet at some point.
 
2021-10-18 10:09:28 AM  

Caelistis: Honestly, no.


GardenWeasel: Fantastic


Yep, I'm no more advanced than when I started.
 
2021-10-18 10:27:57 AM  
Wasn't there a comedy show with a former SNL actor that was like last man on earth thing? I would see ads for this show and thought that SNL actor's show were the same and thought "that is still on the air?".
 
2021-10-18 10:36:52 AM  
I read the comics when they came out and found the series enjoyable.

Now that it's 20 years later and I'm that many years older, the TV exposes all the problems with the comic, with even worse writing.
The main problem I'm having with the story is the whole idea of the entire world falling into a hellish apocalypse just because the men are gone. There are still 3 billion woman on the planet. Aren't there enough engineers, pilots, etc. to keep everything running? Like literally the entire surviving world just gives up and lets everything fall apart and burn to the ground? This sure makes it seem like the world can't run properly without men there, which just isn't reality at all. There are plenty of women to keep the power plants running, cell phones working, planes flying, etc. And they are not all catty biatches and/or ineffective nobodies that will just give up and let the world burn if there are no men around.
But TV show writing just wasn't that great either. The Yorik-absent-mindedly-runs-off-and-get​s-into-trouble every episode becomes audience-insulting. He appears to be an ADD moron, which makes it kind of hard to identify with the character.

For me, the Radiohead scene was just so stupid and contrived for the sole purpose of putting in a Radiohead song. After that, it's clear nothing too contrived is off-limits on this show. And I guess I already read the comic so keeping plot tension going is always a challenge anyways. I thought it was a good idea to bring the writing up to date with how the culture handles trans issues now. But the fact that trans-dudes seem to be everywhere on the show, seeing a male-looking person in the world doesn't seem that shocking.

Although maybe it really does start to get better, I'll probably check out the remaining episodes.

This looks like another show with a lot of hype let down by the writing.
 
2021-10-18 10:48:49 AM  
I'm 5 episodes in. For anyone who does like the show, am I just going to end up supremely frustrated?
 
2021-10-18 10:50:22 AM  

ssa5: Wasn't there a comedy show with a former SNL actor that was like last man on earth thing? I would see ads for this show and thought that SNL actor's show were the same and thought "that is still on the air?".


The Last Man on Earth, and that one was ostensibly about how Will Forte was the last person living following a mysterious apocalyptic event.

The first episode was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV, but then the show got way too cluttered for its own good afterwards.
 
2021-10-18 10:50:28 AM  

padraig: Caelistis: Honestly, no.

GardenWeasel: Fantastic

Yep, I'm no more advanced than when I started.


It plays up expected TV tropes at the beginning. It gets more psycho-drama-ish as it goes along.
 
2021-10-18 10:51:59 AM  

Outshined_One: ssa5: Wasn't there a comedy show with a former SNL actor that was like last man on earth thing? I would see ads for this show and thought that SNL actor's show were the same and thought "that is still on the air?".

The Last Man on Earth, and that one was ostensibly about how Will Forte was the last person living following a mysterious apocalyptic event.

The first episode was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV, but then the show got way too cluttered for its own good afterwards.


Yeah, I'd rather they have just run that one as a limited series instead of introducing new characters every time they ran out of ideas. It started brilliantly.
 
2021-10-18 10:56:12 AM  

padraig: Caelistis: Honestly, no.

GardenWeasel: Fantastic

Yep, I'm no more advanced than when I started.


It can be a hard show to watch by design. Parts are funny, but the premise of "what if we took boorish husband shows like King of Queens and Kevin Can Wait, show them from the suffering wife's perspective, and make it realistic?" means it cares much more about the cycles of abuse than getting laughs.
 
2021-10-18 10:59:15 AM  

djfitz: I read the comics when they came out and found the series enjoyable.

Now that it's 20 years later and I'm that many years older, the TV exposes all the problems with the comic, with even worse writing.
The main problem I'm having with the story is the whole idea of the entire world falling into a hellish apocalypse just because the men are gone.


Which is one of the reasons why Cremerie is a much better "all men get sick and die" show. If anything the woman-only world looks even better (although that might just be the fact that it's set in rural New Zealand).
 
2021-10-18 11:20:36 AM  
Yorick's actor is terrible. Sometimes you can tell that a line would have worked if it had been delivered by someone else, The pacing is bad. The way they are laying out the story is not good. I'm always amazed when people feel the need to change something that worked so well in their original forms rather than being faithful to them.
 
2021-10-18 11:26:11 AM  
It was doomed from the start. No one wanted a gritty, realistic remake of the original, especially not without Roddy Piper and Sandahl Bergman.
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2021-10-18 11:31:26 AM  

djfitz: The main problem I'm having with the story is the whole idea of the entire world falling into a hellish apocalypse just because the men are gone. There are still 3 billion woman on the planet. Aren't there enough engineers, pilots, etc. to keep everything running?


Probably not. Even in the reverse situation suddenly several billion dead bodies is enough of a psychological shock, not to mention a major disruption to any supply chain, and the sheer amount of just clean up in general of those bodies (and the likelihood of viral outbreaks from just the sheer amount of dead clogging the streets). Plus it's not like those folks are all centralized, speak the same language, managed to survive the entre supply chain collapse at the beginning of it all and/or want to keep things running considering how many people they must've known who died.

Unless you're living in a self sufficient community cut off already from the rest of the world, if half the population of the planet up and died those that died would be the lucky ones.
 
2021-10-18 11:40:28 AM  
Maybe it's been too long since I read the comic but I don't recall Yorick being such an entitled waste of space that relied on everyone to carry him to the finish line whining the whole way.

After 2 episodes I was rooting for him to die and leave the planet to the womenfolk

/what a farking baby
 
2021-10-18 11:46:14 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: padraig: Caelistis: Honestly, no.

GardenWeasel: Fantastic

Yep, I'm no more advanced than when I started.

It can be a hard show to watch by design. Parts are funny, but the premise of "what if we took boorish husband shows like King of Queens and Kevin Can Wait, show them from the suffering wife's perspective, and make it realistic?" means it cares much more about the cycles of abuse than getting laughs.


Yeah, I actually thought it was a pretty decent show, but the husband just became too annoying to watch for me.  And I know that's pretty much the point, but it just became too much for me and I stopped watching after a couple of episodes.
 
2021-10-18 11:47:11 AM  

taintbaggins: Maybe it's been too long since I read the comic but I don't recall Yorick being such an entitled waste of space that relied on everyone to carry him to the finish line whining the whole way.

After 2 episodes I was rooting for him to die and leave the planet to the womenfolk

/what a farking baby


if anything, the show nailed that. In the book he was possibly more worthless.
 
2021-10-18 12:05:08 PM  

shpritz: Cremerie did it so much better. Let's hope it does get a second season.


I didn't know anyone else had ever even heard of Creamerie. It was really well done! I do hope it gets a second season.
 
2021-10-18 12:12:16 PM  

djfitz: I read the comics when they came out and found the series enjoyable.

Now that it's 20 years later and I'm that many years older, the TV exposes all the problems with the comic, with even worse writing.
The main problem I'm having with the story is the whole idea of the entire world falling into a hellish apocalypse just because the men are gone. There are still 3 billion woman on the planet. Aren't there enough engineers, pilots, etc. to keep everything running? Like literally the entire surviving world just gives up and lets everything fall apart and burn to the ground? This sure makes it seem like the world can't run properly without men there, which just isn't reality at all. There are plenty of women to keep the power plants running, cell phones working, planes flying, etc. And they are not all catty biatches and/or ineffective nobodies that will just give up and let the world burn if there are no men around.
But TV show writing just wasn't that great either. The Yorik-absent-mindedly-runs-off-and-get​s-into-trouble every episode becomes audience-insulting. He appears to be an ADD moron, which makes it kind of hard to identify with the character.

For me, the Radiohead scene was just so stupid and contrived for the sole purpose of putting in a Radiohead song. After that, it's clear nothing too contrived is off-limits on this show. And I guess I already read the comic so keeping plot tension going is always a challenge anyways. I thought it was a good idea to bring the writing up to date with how the culture handles trans issues now. But the fact that trans-dudes seem to be everywhere on the show, seeing a male-looking person in the world doesn't seem that shocking.

Although maybe it really does start to get better, I'll probably check out the remaining episodes.

This looks like another show with a lot of hype let down by the writing.


Covid killed less than 10% of the population, and it resulted in massive disruption to society. Killing 50% of the planet would destroy civilization, no matter who got killed.

/which is a problem with Endgame, it shows things still working after only 5 years.
 
2021-10-18 12:24:56 PM  

CarnySaur: Did it ever air on FX (or FXX), or just Hulu (which is the only place I saw it)?  I'm wondering if they would have had more eyes on it if they had offered it elsewhere.


Don't overthink it: it was a "critically praised" comic book that was only loved by an extreme minority of collectors back in the 2000s when the whole world was suddenly into "collecting" but the offerings were the dregs, which is why most of those companies went into extreme financial difficulty.

Not once ever did DC, Marvel, Image, Dark Horse, or any of the other players ever stop to think "maybe the real comic fans don't like our new worthless shiat" and they ran themselves right into the ground like the naked emperor wanting everyone to admire his new robes.

It was chosen as a series because everyone is out of original ideas so the producers latch onto the first IP that crosses their desk that doesn't have 16" of dust on top already. Whether Vaughn and Guerra et alia like it or not, their barely likeable idea was already stolen and used up in previous TV incarnations in such memorable hits as "Sliders" or the entire series "Jeremiah".

AppleOptionEsc: Burn out or a real "apocalypse" clouds our understanding and enjoyment.

Like people who do actual computer things watching a t.v. show or movie "do the hax" and their eyes roll out the door.


The Stand (original), Revolution, Falling Skies, The 100, Colony, Travelers, The Stand (again), the Las Ship, Walking Dead, Walking Dead Mehico, a half dozen other zombie shows, and sooo many more. Americans were obsessed with the coming "apocalypse" because they all knew deep down in their subconscious that the way we live is NOT sustainable in the long run and that the world was overdue for a major epic judgement from God, and now that we even have a hint of such things as "scary pandemic" and "permanent shortages" et cetera and now that alllll the Y2K prepper nut jobs don't look quite as crazy anymore it scares people deeply that the actual end of the easy life as they used to know it is on hand, and the realities of hardship and scarcity and death are now something that you can't just turn into escapist fantasy and just make go away with a button so yeah no, most people are long past done with watching shiatty humans be shiatty under tragic circumstances.

When it went from fantasy to a hint of reality that was obscenely more than the typical doughy couch potato could deal with 24/7.
 
2021-10-18 12:27:04 PM  
Didn't the books show that Yorick was largely a useless and suicidal jokester in the beginning because he was suffering from PTSD? And he got better later in the series as he dealt with that?

Loved the series, never watched the show, no need to start now I guess.
 
2021-10-18 12:33:08 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: /which is a problem with Endgame, it shows things still *marginally working after only 5 years.


FIFY.  For anyone who paid attention, yeah things were working just a little bit too well maybe, if you forget that people consolidated themselves together in large groups in major cities to try and get back up and running again. That is plausible, it happened many times in the past after famines in post-Romam Europe and pre-Colubian Contact Mezo-America. A: Endgame also did a fantastic job of showing an entire barely functioning society with shell shock, and even hinted that the shock was very much still in play even after the snap was undone.

Once people learn how to refill the niche "critical need" human positions and retrain others for the less noble jobs and then learn how to produce factory-made goods locally and start mass production farming again it's back to business as usual. Five years is optimistic but not impossible; realistically I would think it would take closer to a decade.
 
2021-10-18 12:39:40 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: djfitz: The main problem I'm having with the story is the whole idea of the entire world falling into a hellish apocalypse just because the men are gone. There are still 3 billion woman on the planet. Aren't there enough engineers, pilots, etc. to keep everything running?

Probably not. Even in the reverse situation suddenly several billion dead bodies is enough of a psychological shock, not to mention a major disruption to any supply chain, and the sheer amount of just clean up in general of those bodies (and the likelihood of viral outbreaks from just the sheer amount of dead clogging the streets). Plus it's not like those folks are all centralized, speak the same language, managed to survive the entre supply chain collapse at the beginning of it all and/or want to keep things running considering how many people they must've known who died.

Unless you're living in a self sufficient community cut off already from the rest of the world, if half the population of the planet up and died those that died would be the lucky ones.


I agree that the disruption would be great, I guess it's a matter of degrees. The shots of streets clogged with cars was an example that seemed off. Even the ones that crashed due to males driving them wouldn't all be wrecks and can be easily driven away. Even the wrecked ones can be moved. It's like there is the federal government and nothing local that can handle these things. There is a literal army of state and city personal to handle civic infrastructure wholly disconnected from the federal government, and to speculate that there would be nothing left after the men are gone is a bit strange. To speculate that the entire city of NY needs to be evacuated because they couldn't keep the water pumps maybe overstates either the necessity of men, or the lack of understanding in state/local infrastructure. Either way, it seems like lazy writing.
 
2021-10-18 1:00:31 PM  

WoolyManwich: shpritz: Cremerie did it so much better. Let's hope it does get a second season.

I didn't know anyone else had ever even heard of Creamerie. It was really well done! I do hope it gets a second season.


That's why we need to create a buzz around it. To increase the chances of getting a second season. I guess I should start by not misspelling the title a third time. So watch Creamerie if you can get it, guys.
 
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