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(Yahoo)   It's said that a person who serves as their own lawyer has a fool for a client. So it's hardly a surprise that so many of the Capital insurrection defendants are choosing to represent themselves   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-10-17 8:16:38 PM  
Why do they need lawyers?
Ain't nothing gonna happen, amirite?
 
2021-10-17 8:28:58 PM  
I believe the full adage is "A lawyer who represents themself, has a fool for a client."  These people aren't even lawyers, so does that make them a fool squared?
 
2021-10-17 8:37:41 PM  
Donald Trump is where the rule breaks down.

He manages somehow to have a Greater Fool Than Himself for a lawyer, namely one who plays Donald Trump on TV but works for free. Rudy Guiliani is the greatest lawyer Donald Trump has had since Roy Cohn, the gay mafia-type crooked lawyer who inspired Angels in America after he died of AIDS.

He seems to be fond of Jareds also. Probably their shared love the kiddies.
 
2021-10-17 8:38:04 PM  

aleister_greynight: I believe the full adage is "A lawyer who represents themself, has a fool for a client."  These people aren't even lawyers, so does that make them a fool squared?


It's a joy to see a nit well-picked and crushed.
 
2021-10-17 8:48:46 PM  
I don't think it matters

These people are getting months in prison instead of years.
 
2021-10-17 9:28:44 PM  
They hired the brightest minds at Dunning & Kruger,  PC.
 
2021-10-17 11:05:12 PM  
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2021-10-18 1:17:42 AM  
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2021-10-18 1:22:34 AM  
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2021-10-18 1:44:27 AM  
Actually, the phrase is "A man who represents himself has a fool for a client, and a jackass for an attorney."
 
2021-10-18 1:48:24 AM  
I'm not saying these defendants need to be told what to say, but may I suggest the following as a strong defense?

"I serve the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, who won the 2020 Presidential election. On January 6, 2021, I acted in accordance with his orders to stop the certification of the fraudulent election results by entering the Congress with the intent to prevent the House of Representatives from voting on this. I do not recognize this court's legal power over me, and cannot in good faith accede to any mandate, law, or directive from this undemocratically elected government."
 
2021-10-18 1:51:03 AM  

freddyV: I don't think it matters

These people are getting months in prison instead of years.


But they do seem to regularly admit to additional crimes while in the courtroom.
 
2021-10-18 2:06:27 AM  
Watching the sentences scroll through perhaps their batting average is above par?
 
2021-10-18 2:09:36 AM  
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2021-10-18 2:13:48 AM  
Works on contingency?
No, money down!
 
2021-10-18 2:23:39 AM  
The filing indicates he wants to charge up to $250,000 for spending two hours in court if he feels he is appearing "under protest and duress" and $50,000 if he is there voluntarily. A "forced giving of bodily fluids" carries a $5 million charge under Bochene's billing schedule.

This guy has to be going for the inassnity plea.
 
2021-10-18 2:28:31 AM  
They have no faith in the courts, and think the Capitol police betrayed democracy and the Constitution. Why wouldn't they represent themselves? If anything, we should be afraid of judge who refuse to write decisions that respond to their arguments (even the justices at bail court). Each of the self-repreented litigants need to be responded to in writing, or else their silence will fuel a generalized theory of judicial arrogance and activism.
 
2021-10-18 2:41:30 AM  
Given the sweetheart misdemeanor-only plea deals the DOJ is handing out like candy, why not represent yourself and save the legal fees.  All you have to do is wait for your offer.
 
2021-10-18 3:54:25 AM  

Troy McClure: Given the sweetheart misdemeanor-only plea deals the DOJ is handing out like candy, why not represent yourself and save the legal fees.  All you have to do is wait for your offer.


Indeed, at least as long as they are all white. Offer not necessarily valid if you aren't all white.
 
2021-10-18 4:56:49 AM  
During a July 19 hearing, Bauer told [Judge] McFadden that she doesn't want "any lawyering from the bench." When the judge denied her request to dismiss her charges, she asked, "On what terms?"

She's getting no justice up in here.
 
2021-10-18 5:40:50 AM  
Male lions sleep all day
 
2021-10-18 6:46:33 AM  
Wish they could all be put away in the Trump memorial federal prison for years.
 
2021-10-18 6:54:42 AM  

August11: During a July 19 hearing, Bauer told [Judge] McFadden that she doesn't want "any lawyering from the bench." When the judge denied her request to dismiss her charges, she asked, "On what terms?"

She's getting no justice up in here.


Well, in her mind "Justice = whatever result I want" so nothing less than 110% exoneration followed by Trump becoming dictator for life would be justice.
 
2021-10-18 7:56:06 AM  

aleister_greynight: I believe the full adage is "A lawyer who represents themself, has a fool for a client."  These people aren't even lawyers, so does that make them a fool squared?


Close "A lawyer who represents themselves, has a fool for a client and an ass for counsel" I believe
 
2021-10-18 8:08:17 AM  
I just don't understand why simple tourists would need lawyers.
 
2021-10-18 8:13:07 AM  
The common theme seems to be that these guys have derpy idea that they think is genius, like putting down the judge's wife as an emergency contact, like that one guy did to try and get the judge to recuse himself, their attorneys point out that only bring additional obstruction charges, and these idiots can't stand being told they are wrong, so they fire the lawyer.

Trump is the same way, but since he is kind of rich, he falls victim to a special class of grifter lawyers who barely passed the bar, and specialize in humoring rich idiots out of their money.
 
2021-10-18 8:19:30 AM  
Might as well, you pay a lawyer tens of thousand dollars and the judge rules based on whatever his/her political beliefs are or you save the money and represent yourself and the judge rules on whatever his/her political beliefs are.
 
2021-10-18 9:02:49 AM  
I'm not sure why they wouldn't. They're being given enormous leeway by the judges and it seems the feds are keen to plea these folks down to the minimum vaguely applicable crime. And those who are accepting public defenders are getting the five star treatment instead of the usual 20 mins total case time by their court appointed attorney who doesn't even look at the file before the day of their court appearance.
 
2021-10-18 9:08:10 AM  

Headso: Might as well, you pay a lawyer tens of thousand dollars and the judge rules based on whatever his/her political beliefs are or you save the money and represent yourself and the judge rules on whatever his/her political beliefs are.


Except for the fact that these jackasses are farking up so spectacularly the judges are going to have to sentence them to a longer term, even ignoring the pissing off factor.
 
2021-10-18 9:37:21 AM  

freddyV: I don't think it matters

These people are getting months in prison instead of years.


It's sort of a good thing that we leave sentencing to the judge, and not the prosecutor or the public rabble.
 
2021-10-18 9:39:52 AM  

Headso: Might as well, you pay a lawyer tens of thousand dollars and the judge rules based on whatever his/her political beliefs are or you save the money and represent yourself and the judge rules on whatever his/her political beliefs are.


You live in the same fantasy world they do, apparently.
 
2021-10-18 10:22:55 AM  
Fool for a client.  Jackass for an attorney.
 
2021-10-18 10:48:19 AM  
Dunno, maybe pretty smart for them.  The judges do not want to prosecute and they'll just get the standard 90 days anyway, so why not save some cash, toot your crazy horn, get your pat on the back + 3 month vacation, come back and become the king of the trailer park.
 
2021-10-18 11:26:26 AM  
If the fool part was actually true, they would be sentenced to the maximum allowed.
 
2021-10-18 11:43:52 AM  
I got about a third of the way through that article before succumbing to derp-fatigue.

Dear gods, these people are morons.
 
2021-10-18 1:04:39 PM  
so uhh, i'm go with that the truth of these yahoos is

A: they can't afford a real lawyer of their own + they of course can't trust an assigned "derp state" one either with their nutter beliefs and all that. = so self represent then duh.

or of course the other also reasonable option

B: those that can afford a lawyer, can't find one that is willing to take their case. So are left to again, not trust the state assigned one and so have to represent themselves.

interesting connection here:
the modern POV for typical American voters, relative to their Representatives.
Is the idea that they want to vote for someone that "represent" who they are.
Do you see it?

they are not imaging the idea of: Find someone smarter and more influential than you are, to be your representative looking out for your interests.
instead they have gotten it into their heads that they want to vote for someone that literally is an analog stand in for themselves.

not some to 'represent your interests" but literally someone to represent your presence/POV/ideas.

So if you are an uneducated selfish turdwhiff, this no longer means finding someone who will, with greater intelligence and critical thinking than you have to give, look out for your interests. But instead now means when you look at them , you see yourself in them. they are now voting for people that remind them of themselves more.
 
2021-10-18 1:34:44 PM  

Nocrash: freddyV: I don't think it matters

These people are getting months in prison instead of years.

It's sort of a good thing that we leave sentencing to the judge, and not the prosecutor or the public rabble.


And it's a bad thing these terrorists are getting a slap on the wrist.
 
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