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(The Verge)   WSJ: Facebook AI identifies and removes only 3-5% of hate speech, and 1% of all content violating its rules against violence and incitement. Facebook: Nah, we're doing great. You just have the wrong definition of *fingerquotes* 'vIoLeNt HaTe SpEeCh'   (theverge.com) divider line
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2021-10-18 1:09:47 AM  
At FB, it's hate speech to call out Nazis for them constantly spreading their Nazi propaganda.

/have gotten everything but the 21 day vacation
//how am i supposed to collect ~all~ the pokemon vacations w/o getting the 21 day?
///they kept giving me 14 or 30 days... i mean, wtf man.
 
2021-10-18 1:14:41 AM  

gameshowhost: At FB, it's hate speech to call out Nazis for them constantly spreading their Nazi propaganda.

/have gotten everything but the 21 day vacation
//how am i supposed to collect ~all~ the pokemon vacations w/o getting the 21 day?
///they kept giving me 14 or 30 days... i mean, wtf man.


Facebook is rather like fark in that one rule, breaking the rules is one thing, pointing out bad actors and embarrassing the mods?

Well that just won't do.
 
2021-10-18 1:15:24 AM  
Most fark comments would qualify.
 
2021-10-18 1:16:48 AM  
It's remarkable vthat Facebook's entire response here has consisted of "Nuh uh!" and occasionally "No, U!"

@zuck won't let me tag him in memes anymore.
 
2021-10-18 1:25:38 AM  

bittermang: It's remarkable vthat Facebook's entire response here has consisted of "Nuh uh!" and occasionally "No, U!"

@zuck won't let me tag him in memes anymore.


Zuckerberg is up there with Peter Thiel as a right-wing sadist.
 
2021-10-18 1:27:11 AM  
Did your computer hit you?

Was the sound so violent that the shockwave physically harmed your person?

No?

Well then it's not violent hate speech, it's just plain jane hate speech and shouldn't need to be blocked.

Love,
Facebook
 
2021-10-18 1:47:41 AM  
Kinda getting tired of social media's shiat in the same way that the Earth is getting tired of ours.

I once quit Facebook for a while by just not logging in, and after about 2 weeks or so they just continually bombarded me with a massive flood of daily e-mails begging me to come back.

I had my Twitter account suspended nearly 3 years ago, and decided that was probably the perfect time to quit that platform. I still get daily e-mails from there with updates from all of the accounts I'm still "following". So essentially it's just a zombie account at this point.

If I've learned anything, the biggest way to hurt social media companies isn't simply scolding, regulation, or even boycotting. Those are too simple because we're still acknowledging them, and that keeps their brands valuable.

The only true solution is to simply ignore and ultimately abandon them as though they don't exist.
 
2021-10-18 2:37:46 AM  
And yet, somehow this meme was flagged as hate speech, and upheld when I contested that decision. Facebook is a hot mess.

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2021-10-18 2:52:11 AM  

Eidola: And yet, somehow this meme was flagged as hate speech, and upheld when I contested that decision. Facebook is a hot mess.

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probably because the grammar is so farked up in that post that it was classified as hatespeech against the english language
 
2021-10-18 2:54:27 AM  

bittermang: It's remarkable vthat Facebook's entire response here has consisted of "Nuh uh!" and occasionally "No, U!"
@zuck won't let me tag him in memes anymore.


What are you going to do about it?  They're too big to fail.
 
2021-10-18 3:12:49 AM  

gameshowhost: At FB, it's hate speech to call out Nazis for them constantly spreading their Nazi propaganda.

/have gotten everything but the 21 day vacation
//how am i supposed to collect ~all~ the pokemon vacations w/o getting the 21 day?
///they kept giving me 14 or 30 days... i mean, wtf man.


Before I got fully banned, I had a support inbox just farking FILLED with responses from facebook saying "Nah, that white supremacist shiat you reported? Actually totally fine."


Then I got banned for posting an article about some stupid white people, which I captioned "lmao, farking white people".
 
2021-10-18 4:31:52 AM  
If FB removes 5% of hate speech, it must mean 95% of its remaining users are liberals.
 
2021-10-18 5:21:31 AM  
I thought Elon defenders were pathetic.
 
2021-10-18 5:58:54 AM  
I have never seen a more obvious  shill account.
 
2021-10-18 6:42:55 AM  
I've currently got another 24hrs of a 3 day time out for violating "standards" for saying I'd want to sue someone who was blasting a playlist of nothing but Justin Bieber and Celine Dion.  I made this comment in a thread about something listing strange court cases, including someone being sued fo their music being "too Canadian".

/or maybe it had to do with the addendum that I wouldn't mind seeing them shot
 
2021-10-18 7:10:22 AM  
Currently on my second 30-day FB jail for the following statement:

"Seems to me that anyone asserting their religious rights in refusing to wear a mask or taking the vaccine should probably be preemptively issued DNR certificates. Resources are already stretched too thin. Why waste the efforts on people who have rejected the solutions? Just let them weed themselves out."

Apparently reported for hate speech.

But there are "people" (really, bots I suspect) that are out there making the claim that Hospitals are using ventilators to murder people out of spite for not being vaccinated, and that is perfectly acceptable. They're out there "questioning" why so many unvaccinated people are dying in Hospitals and people who are vaccinated aren't being denied treatment, even though those people aren't getting nearly as sick as the people who aren't, and probably not being put on ventilators at all. So it should apparently be obvious to everyone that the ventilators are causing the deaths and the Hospitals are doing it deliberately for some unknown reason. Some of the more bizarrely speculative BS is about President Biden importing Chinese built ventilators that he either knows are defective, or designed to deliberately kill people because he's "putting the communists in charge of the Government". I've called those people out and gotten my comments removed for it. 

These people are farking insane. Let them die. Stop admitting them unless they can prove they've had the shots, kids excepted of course. They're helpless when it comes to bucking their parent's control.

FB is deliberately spreading propaganda and knowingly transmitting false information.
 
2021-10-18 7:18:29 AM  
My most recent ban was for violent, terroristic threats. On a picture of a big spider I commented, "burn it down."  I'm so glad that there are entities out there looking out for the feelings of huge arachnids. The suspension has totally made me see the error of my ways and reconsider my stance against peaceful giant spiders.
 
2021-10-18 7:28:51 AM  
I got a 24 hour time out for posting the Mein Kampfy Chair picture.
 
2021-10-18 7:38:31 AM  
What do you expect from a company run by a sociopath?
 
2021-10-18 7:38:38 AM  

Claude Ballse: I once quit Facebook for a while by just not logging in, and after about 2 weeks or so they just continually bombarded me with a massive flood of daily e-mails begging me to come back.


Did you try actually quitting Facebook rather than just logging off? I deactivated my account in August of last year and haven't heard a peep from them.
 
2021-10-18 7:39:45 AM  
I just got a 30 day ban because I said "SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH" when someone posted a meme about how Nirvana's Nevermind came out 30 years ago, not twenty. Truly we are now safe from my satirical remarks.
 
2021-10-18 7:40:31 AM  

budrojr: My most recent ban was for violent, terroristic threats. On a picture of a big spider I commented, "burn it down."  I'm so glad that there are entities out there looking out for the feelings of huge arachnids. The suspension has totally made me see the error of my ways and reconsider my stance against peaceful giant spiders.


Algorithms don't understand context.

\at least, not when they're written by the crap programmers at FB.
 
2021-10-18 7:45:43 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I just got a 30 day ban because I said "SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH" when someone posted a meme about how Nirvana's Nevermind came out 30 years ago, not twenty. Truly we are now safe from my satirical remarks.


You should have said "SHUT YOUR COURTESAN MOUTH!".
 
2021-10-18 7:59:49 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: PC LOAD LETTER: I just got a 30 day ban because I said "SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH" when someone posted a meme about how Nirvana's Nevermind came out 30 years ago, not twenty. Truly we are now safe from my satirical remarks.

You should have said "SHUT YOUR COURTESAN MOUTH!".


SHUT YOUR HARLOT HOLE!
 
2021-10-18 8:11:03 AM  
Waaaah, somebody said somethin mean and hateful and I could not just ignore them because I am too dumb to figure out blocking features for content I don't wanna see, won't you create a bio hazard warning button on the page so that I can justify my existence by  demanding muffled speech from other people I don't like?
LGBFJB
 
2021-10-18 8:12:10 AM  

gameshowhost: At FB, it's hate speech to call out Nazis for them constantly spreading their Nazi propaganda.

/have gotten everything but the 21 day vacation
//how am i supposed to collect ~all~ the pokemon vacations w/o getting the 21 day?
///they kept giving me 14 or 30 days... i mean, wtf man.


You should threaten their families.  That'll shut them up.

No idea why you'd get probated, freedom fighter.
 
2021-10-18 8:43:37 AM  

Elkad: I May Be Crazy But...: Your statement two is as much a statement of scientific fact as the ads for healing crystals the new age hippie nearby store puts out.  Which is to say, lies put together by the cynical and repeated by the credulous.

Yet whether you agree with his statement or not, can you not see the difference in "I don't agree with their belief" and "burn them!"?

The second being wrong doesn't make it hate speech.  It just makes it wrong.


Hmm... dehumanizing people and calling for violence vs dehumanizing people and hiding behind a thin veneer of civility like a coward so that other people can call for violence.

No, I don't see much difference there.
 
2021-10-18 8:52:33 AM  

born_yesterday: I thought Elon defenders were pathetic.


Did someone challenge your brittle world view again?
 
2021-10-18 9:06:50 AM  
The modern liberal is anti-free speech, pro submission to authority, pro treating people differently based on race, pro-federal law enforcement, etc...

It's certainly been an interesting transition.  Enjoy the midterms.
 
2021-10-18 9:16:25 AM  
It could be higher if they just had a banned words list. But that doesn't work because then people start whining "but I am X and we reclaimed that word so let me use it!". Which requires a distinction that is pretty hard to make with an automated system.
 
2021-10-18 9:29:50 AM  
Well, when you define "hate speech" as "anything other than Democratic Party talking points", then it's easy to overlook a few things.
 
2021-10-18 9:47:57 AM  

Mouser: Well, when you define "hate speech" as "anything other than Democratic Party talking points", then it's easy to overlook a few things.


It isn't Democrats out there openly calling for terrorist actions on doctors, hospitals and research scientists. It isn't Democrats defunding schools, libraries, public transportation and putting big business in charge of everything and everything.

That's all GOQP baby. Profit uber alles.
 
2021-10-18 10:40:41 AM  
Is it considered hate speech to call people "plague rats" and wish for their deaths?
 
2021-10-18 10:44:41 AM  

Eidola: And yet, somehow this meme was flagged as hate speech, and upheld when I contested that decision. Facebook is a hot mess.

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Sir, that appears to be Twitter.
 
2021-10-18 10:57:41 AM  
The AI finds onions erotic, so don't trust it with things like hate
 
2021-10-18 11:08:00 AM  
Posts which are apparently against their community standards (these are all my own experience):
- A post consisting solely of the word "Men."
- A post pointing out that prescriptivism is not generally thought of as an ideology of the educated
Posts which are apparently not against their community standards:
- An ad selling guided meditation which indicates that it is more effective than vaccination for COVID
- Hundreds of posts harassing people with spammmed swastika gifs
- A post saying that all trans people are insane and deserve prison

It appears that the 5 percent in question aren't even the ones which are actually hate speech.

... but tell me again how there's no problem.
 
2021-10-18 11:09:51 AM  
I went to FB jail for a time for commenting on the latest motorcycle release from Royal Enfield by calling it "Indian Garbage".
 
2021-10-18 11:42:30 AM  
I admin a FB group for  states parks volunteer group. We have 10,000 + followers and it is a very useful tool to send out notifications about park events, closures etc. It is also helpful in raising donations for the parks.

It can be a farking nightmare to admin. We get 50-100 new request for members daily, 1 in 20 are 'real' active accounts everything else is bots and zombie accounts and if they get in immediately start posting clickbait videos and the occasional ad.

As for my personal page, I quit posting anything political a long time ago, just use it to keep up with friends my age all around the world, it is a good platform do doing exactly that, shame FB got so greedy and decided that hate and anger made more money than holiday pics and birthday wishes.
 
2021-10-18 11:50:38 AM  

Mouser: Well, when you define "hate speech" as "anything other than Democratic Party talking points", then it's easy to overlook a few things.


Kinda weird that leaked documents and the recent whistleblower don't support your claim.
 
2021-10-18 11:52:11 AM  
The Zuk too busy counting his money to worry about your petty concerns.
 
2021-10-18 11:54:09 AM  
ITT:  People all scarded of words.  Words they don't have to read, written by idiots they've been given to tools to avoid, appearing on a platform they don't have to be a participant in.

But, no, someone else should do something . . .

Frankly, allowing "hate speech" helps the saner among us know where the idiots are.  Suppressing "hate speech" will simply force the dummies underground.
 
2021-10-18 11:59:06 AM  

CrashTheGame: If FB removes 5% of hate speech, it must mean 95% of its remaining users are liberals.


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2021-10-18 12:00:52 PM  

hAZy: I went to FB jail for a time for commenting on the latest motorcycle release from Royal Enfield by calling it "Indian Garbage".


I thought Polaris had the Indian brand now.

/kidding
//Indian owner
///the motorcycle, not people
 
gad
2021-10-18 12:11:42 PM  
Hey now. Facebook AI is awesome. I told an anti vaxxer that she was wrong and provided a link to the CDC page documenting where she was wrong and Facebook removed the post, the link and gave me a warning so I know Facebook is on the ball and on target.
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2021-10-18 1:35:41 PM  
What are the odds that "hate speech" on Facebook means "other users hate your speech"?
 
2021-10-18 1:53:23 PM  

FLMountainMan: The modern liberal is anti-free speech, pro submission to authority, pro treating people differently based on race, pro-federal law enforcement, etc...

It's certainly been an interesting transition.  Enjoy the midterms.


Congrats, your farky is now 'RWNJ Dumbass'. Reward yourself--you've earned it.
 
2021-10-18 1:55:37 PM  

FLMountainMan: The modern liberal is anti-free speech, pro submission to authority, pro treating people differently based on race, pro-federal law enforcement, etc...

It's certainly been an interesting transition.  Enjoy the midterms.


And the modern conservative is just a nazi. Literally nothing else.
 
2021-10-18 1:59:12 PM  

jjorsett: Is it considered hate speech to call people "plague rats" and wish for their deaths?


Why would i look at the Plague Rats any differently than the Klan, or NAMBLA?
They are evil, stupid people pursuing evil goals, like trying to kill good and innocent people - including me.
I'm supposed to "tolerate" them?
Minimum requirement for my "tolerance": Not wanting me dead.
 
2021-10-18 4:14:44 PM  

inelegy: ITT:  People all scarded of words.  Words they don't have to read, written by idiots they've been given to tools to avoid, appearing on a platform they don't have to be a participant in.

But, no, someone else should do something . . .

Frankly, allowing "hate speech" helps the saner among us know where the idiots are.  Suppressing "hate speech" will simply force the dummies underground.


this isn't how it works and you clearly haven't read any analysis of social-media extremism.  "i'm superior and can deal with words I don't like, everybody else needs to git gud" is both reductively incorrect and assumes facts not in evidence.
 
2021-10-18 7:38:42 PM  
Facebook is the media arm of the NSA. It gathers data in you that you supply in exchange for cat pictures.
 
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