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2021-10-17 10:45:33 AM  
"Thumbs up.", 6-3
 
2021-10-17 11:05:15 AM  
No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.
 
2021-10-17 11:46:19 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3


A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.
 
2021-10-17 12:05:04 PM  

Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.


There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

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2021-10-17 12:41:02 PM  
Racist, cosplay cowboys, who hate women.
 
2021-10-17 12:58:14 PM  
Yeah, but you see, there's a district in a blue state that's three degrees askew of a perfect square, so this is fair game.
 
2021-10-17 1:44:02 PM  
Allowing scum to 'draw' representational districts, along with the tyranny of population-independent Senatorial representation are key structural flaws in US democracy.
 
2021-10-17 2:17:57 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Allowing scum to 'draw' representational districts, along with the tyranny of population-independent Senatorial representation are key structural flaws in US democracy.


Yeah, this is one of many "well, let's be good faith operators and gentlemen" assumptions baked into our political process.  Works fine til it doesn't.
 
2021-10-17 2:29:45 PM  
OFFS. Wow. I hope places that do this get the right to do it taken away by a judge, like happened in PA a few years ago.
If it happens in your state, make noise, email, call, etc. until it gets fixed. And by fixed, I mean until it's done logically and fairly.
 
2021-10-17 2:56:26 PM  

markie_farkie: Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.

There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

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Carving out the heart of Fort Worth and lumping it in with exurbs and rural areas seems  ... purposeful
 
2021-10-17 3:00:13 PM  

phaseolus: markie_farkie: Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.

There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

[dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishin​g.com image 850x472]

Carving out the heart of Fort Worth and lumping it in with exurbs and rural areas seems  ... purposeful


Fort Worth went to Biden last year.
 
2021-10-17 3:01:18 PM  
The Dallas-Fort Worth area gets no additional representation, despite leading the state in growth. And it remains the country's largest region without a Hispanic-majority district, despite a Hispanic population of 1.7 million - enough to fill two congressional districts.
Rep. Rafael Anchía, a Dallas Democrat who chairs the Mexican American Legislative Caucus, called that a "big glaring omission....You really have to try hard to deny Latinos in North Texas the ability to elect the candidate of their choice."


BUT JOHN ROBERTS SAID RACISM WAS OVER
 
2021-10-17 3:03:21 PM  
I'm just waiting for the day when Republicans say to the press, "We passed the measure and there's nothing you or the voters can do about it". It would be the first time they'd shown any honesty in a long long time.
 
2021-10-17 3:05:57 PM  
I think partisan gerrymandering is past its peak utility. Rural areas are Republican, suburban and urban Democrats, and the real fight is in the exurbs. And only so many people are in rural areas. So while it took 5-7 years after 2011, I think it'll be more like 3-5 this time before overreach causes Rs to lose a bunch of seats.
This is why Yertle wants Louisville packed instead of cracked. Bird in hand preferable to two in the bush.

/Lives in Colorado, actually likes their map. Democrats pissed that it didn't get them more safe seats need to shut up and campaign. They have 5 (of 8) that they can possibly win.
 
2021-10-17 3:07:10 PM  
Hopefully the census was conducted so poorly this map won't do what they think it will do.
 
2021-10-17 3:07:23 PM  

Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.


Yup, no way Moscow Mitch let anyone on the Supreme Court who'd have any problem with this shiat.
 
2021-10-17 3:09:14 PM  

LarryDan43: Hopefully the census was conducted so poorly this map won't do what they think it will do.


Gerrymandering isn't based on census demographic data, it's based on precinct-level historical voting data.
 
2021-10-17 3:10:29 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Allowing scum to 'draw' representational districts, along with the tyranny of population-independent Senatorial representation are key structural flaws in US democracy.


We're not democracy anymore. We're not even a republic. America is a sham. Wait a couple of years for the full-blown fascist state we're incubating.

If we were a representative democracy, the GQP would be a weak third party. If America were a republic, the rule of law would prevent the fascist takeover. Republicans despise both democracy and the rule of law. The only way they can cling to power is through violence, theft, and dishonesty.
 
2021-10-17 3:10:36 PM  

jake_lex: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Yup, no way Moscow Mitch let anyone on the Supreme Court who'd have any problem with this shiat.


They already declared gerrymandering to be a political question. It won't survive past the district court stage.
 
2021-10-17 3:17:28 PM  
 These are the people who voted for hell on wheels .. So nothing will change ..
 
2021-10-17 3:20:28 PM  

qorkfiend: jake_lex: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Yup, no way Moscow Mitch let anyone on the Supreme Court who'd have any problem with this shiat.

They already declared gerrymandering to be a political question. It won't survive past the district court stage.


Maps that favor Rs is political. Maps that favor Ds might need a little judicial review
 
2021-10-17 3:20:48 PM  
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I called this weeks ago.

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2021-10-17 3:24:23 PM  
Goddamn, America needs election reform so bad.
- Sensible districting with square-as-possible borders decided by a nonpartisan committee outside of politics.
- A national standard for voting. Everyone everywhere using the same materials and the same rules.
- Zero hurdles to voting. You're mailed a ballot if you're over 18. Period.

That's just off the top of my head. And it's not like these are crazy ideas for a democracy.
 
2021-10-17 3:27:01 PM  
Crap like this should be folded into anti-redlining laws. The map in the article is literally demarcated with red lines.
 
2021-10-17 3:30:02 PM  

Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.


Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo
 
2021-10-17 3:30:28 PM  
Gee, maybe the Congressial Democrats should do something about this other than tell voters just to vote extra hard next time.
 
2021-10-17 3:30:33 PM  

swahnhennessy: America needs election reform so bad.


That's why we're not going to have it.

We need a new constitution.
 
2021-10-17 3:34:49 PM  

a particular individual: swahnhennessy: America needs election reform so bad.

That's why we're not going to have it.

We need a new constitution.


Careful what you wish for.  Repugs are only a few states shy of calling a convention and making Gilead the law of the land nationally.
 
2021-10-17 3:35:02 PM  
Texas is trying really hard to supplant Florida as America's short bus
 
2021-10-17 3:37:56 PM  

The Lone Gunman: I'm just waiting for the day when Republicans say to the press, "We passed the measure and there's nothing you or the voters can do about it". It would be the first time they'd shown any honesty in a long long time.


Elections have consequences, which is precisely why they want to pre-arrange the elections in their favor.
 
2021-10-17 3:38:13 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo



Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.
 
2021-10-17 3:41:11 PM  
I want to slap the living sh*t out of everyone who thinks that the GQP are guaranteed to take over in 2022 and usher back in Trump in '24 as if it were an inescapable fate, but I've only got two hands and not enough gas money to drive around.
 
2021-10-17 3:41:47 PM  

a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo


Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.


Your username checks out. You're a particular individual alright.

How do you think the Democrats added 2 seats in this state:

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To:

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Simply by changing the shape of the districts. They went from competitive to blue.

Now, because it's sparely populated you don't have to draw the line like Texas did, but it's still gerrymandered.
 
2021-10-17 3:45:33 PM  

markie_farkie: Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.

There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

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If you want to see what's wrong in American politics in a single picture. This is it.

/ it would be nice if Americans could vote to correct their feces
// fix their shiat
/// good luck
 
2021-10-17 3:48:13 PM  

ColonelCathcart: a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo


Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.

Your username checks out. You're a particular individual alright.

How do you think the Democrats added 2 seats in this state:

[Fark user image 372x750]

To:

[Fark user image 371x750]

Simply by changing the shape of the districts. They went from competitive to blue.

Now, because it's sparely populated you don't have to draw the line like Texas did, but it's still gerrymandered.


It's almost as if densely populated urban areas lean Democrat.

Those districts are contiguous and compact. That's not gerrymandering. It's representative.
 
2021-10-17 3:50:21 PM  

Ragin' Asian: Crap like this should be folded into anti-redlining laws. The map in the article is literally demarcated with red lines.


Hear, hear!
 
DVD
2021-10-17 3:50:37 PM  

ColonelCathcart: a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo


Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.

Your username checks out. You're a particular individual alright.

How do you think the Democrats added 2 seats in this state:

[Fark user image 372x750]

To:

[Fark user image 371x750]

Simply by changing the shape of the districts. They went from competitive to blue.

Now, because it's sparely populated you don't have to draw the line like Texas did, but it's still gerrymandered.


__________________________________

I also think that all districts within a state should be as near to rectangles as the borders will allow, with the size being dictated by the population, so every district, as of that year, has an equal population.

But if you're going to compare, try using the Illinois or Maryland Democratic maps vs the many Republican maps.  Then you're at least comparing identical abuses of the gerrymander.

This Oregon one vs Texas or Florida is like comparing a kid that got an hour of undeserved detention time vs child-slave mining.  Both are unjust, but have magnitudes of separation in the unjustness scale.
 
2021-10-17 3:52:39 PM  

a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo


Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.

Your username checks out. You're a particular individual alright.

How do you think the Democrats added 2 seats in this state:

[Fark user image 372x750]

To:

[Fark user image 371x750]

Simply by changing the shape of the districts. They went from competitive to blue.

Now, because it's sparely populated you don't have to draw the line like Texas did, but it's still gerrymandered.

It's almost as if densely populated urban areas lean Democrat.

Those districts are contiguous and compact. That's not gerrymandering. It's representative.


Compact? Maybe.

"Representative" - it is not.

6.5/8 seats versus a PVI of D+6%...


Sure Jan. Your side is so much better.
 
2021-10-17 3:52:39 PM  

markie_farkie: Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.

There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

[dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishin​g.com image 850x472]


It looks like an Georgia O'Keefe painting, almost

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2021-10-17 3:53:31 PM  

swahnhennessy: Goddamn, America needs election reform so bad.
- Sensible districting with square-as-possible borders decided by a nonpartisan committee outside of politics.
- A national standard for voting. Everyone everywhere using the same materials and the same rules.
- Zero hurdles to voting. You're mailed a ballot if you're over 18. Period.

That's just off the top of my head. And it's not like these are crazy ideas for a democracy.


Have you talked with any Republicans lately? Your ideas are bat-shiat insanity and an unconstitutional overreach of their freedumbs to subjugate lesser people. Good luck.
 
2021-10-17 3:54:45 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: a particular individual: swahnhennessy: America needs election reform so bad.

That's why we're not going to have it.

We need a new constitution.

Careful what you wish for.  Repugs are only a few states shy of calling a convention and making Gilead the law of the land nationally.


I like how everyone assumes that only good ideas will end up in this new constitution
 
2021-10-17 3:58:25 PM  

qorkfiend: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: a particular individual: swahnhennessy: America needs election reform so bad.

That's why we're not going to have it.

We need a new constitution.

Careful what you wish for.  Repugs are only a few states shy of calling a convention and making Gilead the law of the land nationally.

I like how everyone assumes that only good ideas will end up in this new constitution


Quibble much? Split many hairs lately?

OK: We need a BETTER constitution.

Bicker away. fine sir.
 
2021-10-17 3:59:23 PM  
Have Texas Hispanics considered storming the Capitol building in Austin and holding the Republican state officials hostage?

I hear that works.
 
2021-10-17 4:00:09 PM  

RasIanI: markie_farkie: Badmoodman: No, Dallas News, I'm not signing up for anything.

There's a very faint "close" thingie in the subscription popup you can use.

Also, map in question.  Some of those districts are shaped like disemboweled cow stomachs.. Insane.

Also Dallas proper gets stiffed, despite having the largest population growth in the state.

[dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishin​g.com image 850x472]

It looks like an Georgia O'Keefe painting, almost

[Fark user image image 425x317]

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That's art history talk for saying that district looks like a vagina
 
2021-10-17 4:00:41 PM  
Gerrymandering is terrible and it should be illegal. In the meantime, it is silly for democratic controlled states to use independent commissions while R states pull this shiat. How many D seats could California manufacture with a good gerrymander?
 
2021-10-17 4:02:03 PM  

a particular individual: qorkfiend: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: a particular individual: swahnhennessy: America needs election reform so bad.

That's why we're not going to have it.

We need a new constitution.

Careful what you wish for.  Repugs are only a few states shy of calling a convention and making Gilead the law of the land nationally.

I like how everyone assumes that only good ideas will end up in this new constitution

Quibble much? Split many hairs lately?

OK: We need a BETTER constitution.

Bicker away. fine sir.


Ok.

Same quibble: new != better.
 
2021-10-17 4:04:12 PM  

ColonelCathcart: a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: a particular individual: ColonelCathcart: Gubbo: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Thumbs up.", 6-3

A map that favors R?

There won't even be a vote. This will be one of those times where the Supreme Court will refuse to be involved in elections.

Democrats have gerrymandered themselves 2 seats in Oregon. Just one state.

But that's okay, right?

[Fark user image 373x750]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/r​edistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo


Clearly, you don't know what gerrymandering is.

Your username checks out. You're a particular individual alright.

How do you think the Democrats added 2 seats in this state:

[Fark user image 372x750]

To:

[Fark user image 371x750]

Simply by changing the shape of the districts. They went from competitive to blue.

Now, because it's sparely populated you don't have to draw the line like Texas did, but it's still gerrymandered.

It's almost as if densely populated urban areas lean Democrat.

Those districts are contiguous and compact. That's not gerrymandering. It's representative.

Compact? Maybe.

"Representative" - it is not.

6.5/8 seats versus a PVI of D+6%...


Sure Jan. Your side is so much better.


Fark you. I'm from Ohio.
Go look at our statewide voter leanings, and compare that to our districts and state/federal representatives. We are getting ROYALLY screwed over by republicans constantly.

Fark right off with that "hurr durr, dems do it too" nonsense.
 
2021-10-17 4:08:29 PM  

a particular individual: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Allowing scum to 'draw' representational districts, along with the tyranny of population-independent Senatorial representation are key structural flaws in US democracy.

We're not democracy anymore. We're not even a republic. America is a sham. Wait a couple of years for the full-blown fascist state we're incubating.

If we were a representative democracy, the GQP would be a weak third party. If America were a republic, the rule of law would prevent the fascist takeover. Republicans despise both democracy and the rule of law. The only way they can cling to power is through violence, theft, and dishonesty.


Gonna be a reckoning...
 
2021-10-17 4:09:28 PM  
So I'm guessing 33 is the packed one, right?
 
2021-10-17 4:13:06 PM  

lindalouwho: OFFS. Wow. I hope places that do this get the right to do it taken away by a judge, like happened in PA a few years ago.
If it happens in your state, make noise, email, call, etc. until it gets fixed. And by fixed, I mean until it's done logically and fairly.


With all respect I don't believe a letter-writing campaign is going to be effective against people who will stop at absolutely nothing to steal power and keep it. Even voting looks like it's going to be insufficient, given their willingness to gerrymander and overturn results that they don't want.
 
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