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2021-10-17 1:32:27 PM  
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My car does need a new battery...
 
2021-10-17 1:34:22 PM  
Plausible? Hardly! High-falootin' horse shiat!
 
2021-10-17 1:55:11 PM  
it escaped from a lab in Wuhan.
 
2021-10-17 2:06:40 PM  
It was a bad idea.
 
2021-10-17 2:14:32 PM  
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2021-10-17 2:18:53 PM  
In the beginning was the Creation of the Universe. This has made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
 
2021-10-17 2:42:36 PM  
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2021-10-17 2:47:45 PM  
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2021-10-17 2:49:48 PM  

fluffy_pope: it escaped from a lab in Wuhan.


Ha! Came here to ask if they
think China existed before the rest of the universe.
 
2021-10-17 3:00:55 PM  
Since a self-replicating universe only needs to possess a single class A civilization, and having many more is much less likely, the most common universe would be the one that just barely makes class A civilizations.

I propose that the most likely universe is the one in which this is all intellectual wankery.

The possibility that our civilization is not a particularly smart one should not take us by surprise.

Color me shocked.  Shocked, I say.
 
2021-10-17 3:03:50 PM  
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The galaxyuniverse is on Orion's belt?
 
2021-10-17 3:06:08 PM  
It was created by Hex at Unseen University
 
2021-10-17 3:12:33 PM  
Foundation (season 1): Jumpship interstellar travel
Youtube RGJM03cOmTg
singularity drive ftw
 
2021-10-17 3:13:44 PM  
I get to taste steak.  Good steak.  I get to smoke meat on my smoker.  And I get to eat that too.

There's some unoffensive vegetables, and starches are nice.

And many, many pretty things.

If this is all a simulation or whatever, I'm in it for the long haul.
 
2021-10-17 3:28:46 PM  
It's creators all the way up.
 
2021-10-17 4:18:00 PM  

recondite cetacean: I get to taste steak.  Good steak.  I get to smoke meat on my smoker.  And I get to eat that too.

There's some unoffensive vegetables, and starches are nice.

And many, many pretty things.

If this is all a simulation or whatever, I'm in it for the long haul.


Cypher: I know this steak doesn't exist... Ignorance is bliss | The Matrix
Youtube JODWCwycNmg
 
2021-10-17 5:26:04 PM  

Slypork: recondite cetacean: I get to taste steak.  Good steak.  I get to smoke meat on my smoker.  And I get to eat that too.

There's some unoffensive vegetables, and starches are nice.

And many, many pretty things.

If this is all a simulation or whatever, I'm in it for the long haul.

[YouTube video: Cypher: I know this steak doesn't exist... Ignorance is bliss | The Matrix]


It's not ignorance when it's something you don't know you don't know.
 
2021-10-17 5:31:53 PM  

bughunter: Since a self-replicating universe only needs to possess a single class A civilization, and having many more is much less likely, the most common universe would be the one that just barely makes class A civilizations.

I propose that the most likely universe is the one in which this is all intellectual wankery.

The possibility that our civilization is not a particularly smart one should not take us by surprise.

Color me shocked.  Shocked, I say.


Sounds like the premise of the show "Counterpart" (pretty good show)
 
2021-10-17 5:45:50 PM  
It's a variation of the turtle argument.  It doesn't answer where we came from, it just pushes it back a finite (though possibly very large) number of steps.  For that alone it is stupid and unsatisfactory.  Where did the FIRST universe come from?

Not only that, but the argument that a universe that spawns species that in turn spawn new universes would only produce one such species is logically flawed.  We have zero reason to believe we're 'special', we're what happens when the commonly available materials collapse under gravity in the right way.  There's no 'element X' that exists on Earth and nowhere else in the observable universe, so there's no reason to believe that our being here isn't evidence that life similar to us could be everywhere (though we have some evidence it's sparsely distributed given we haven't observed any near us).

If a human can create a universe in a lab some day, so can a very large number of little green men around our observable universe, and an infinite number across the infinite volume of the entire universe.
 
2021-10-17 7:04:59 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: Slypork: recondite cetacean: I get to taste steak.  Good steak.  I get to smoke meat on my smoker.  And I get to eat that too.

There's some unoffensive vegetables, and starches are nice.

And many, many pretty things.

If this is all a simulation or whatever, I'm in it for the long haul.

[YouTube video: Cypher: I know this steak doesn't exist... Ignorance is bliss | The Matrix]

It's not ignorance when it's something you don't know you don't know.


Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns-the ones we don't know we don't know.

Rumsfeld
 
2021-10-17 10:05:12 PM  
Where physics and metaphysics don't intersect.
 
2021-10-17 10:50:59 PM  
University project.   The grad student who created it has moved on, we are literally now sitting on a shelf while they have a life and career.

In a few million years we will get pulled off the shelf when the creator visits the university with their kid, trying to convince them to go to follow in their footsteps instead of going to phloobarg-u and study "post-modern interpretive dance".
 
2021-10-17 10:54:38 PM  

tdyak: University project.   The grad student who created it has moved on, we are literally now sitting on a shelf while they have a life and career.

In a few million years we will get pulled off the shelf when the creator visits the university with their kid, trying to convince them to go to follow in their footsteps instead of going to phloobarg-u and study "post-modern interpretive dance".


The thing about creating a universe is that it gets pinched off into its own disconnected space-time.  We're safe from God's mom cleaning his room and throwing us in the waste bin.
 
2021-10-17 11:16:01 PM  

tdyak: University project.   The grad student who created it has moved on, we are literally now sitting on a shelf while they have a life and career.

In a few million years we will get pulled off the shelf when the creator visits the university with their kid, trying to convince them to go to follow in their footsteps instead of going to phloobarg-u and study "post-modern interpretive dance".


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2021-10-18 3:12:31 AM  

Unsung_Hero: tdyak: University project.   The grad student who created it has moved on, we are literally now sitting on a shelf while they have a life and career.

In a few million years we will get pulled off the shelf when the creator visits the university with their kid, trying to convince them to go to follow in their footsteps instead of going to phloobarg-u and study "post-modern interpretive dance".

The thing about creating a universe is that it gets pinched off into its own disconnected space-time.  We're safe from God's mom cleaning his room and throwing us in the waste bin.


Not if god's mom is anything like my mom.
 
2021-10-18 3:15:06 AM  
Is there any way, from inside a lab-created universe, to distinguish that universe from a naturally occurring universe (or vice-versa)?
 
2021-10-18 5:27:52 AM  

KB202: Is there any way, from inside a lab-created universe, to distinguish that universe from a naturally occurring universe (or vice-versa)?


Nope. Scale is faaaaaaar too large for us to even recognize. Its like asking if the quarks created in LHC impacts can recognize us
 
2021-10-18 7:13:41 PM  
When I tell students at Harvard University that half of them are below the median of their class, they get upset.


that's disturbing.
 
2021-10-18 8:39:43 PM  

bughunter: tdyak: University project.   The grad student who created it has moved on, we are literally now sitting on a shelf while they have a life and career.

In a few million years we will get pulled off the shelf when the creator visits the university with their kid, trying to convince them to go to follow in their footsteps instead of going to phloobarg-u and study "post-modern interpretive dance".

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I also liked the Love, Death and Robots take on it:

Jurassic freezer : Love, Death and Robots(ICEAGE) : Netflix
Youtube OCD7yKN8T70
 
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