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2021-10-17 10:25:33 AM  
I think I read somewhere that the workers control the means of production
 
2021-10-17 10:41:52 AM  
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2021-10-17 11:16:06 AM  
It can't last forever.
 
2021-10-17 11:35:14 AM  
If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.
 
2021-10-17 12:12:48 PM  

Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.


Still under sleepy Joe's watch so it's never the qops fault.
 
2021-10-17 12:31:59 PM  

Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.


Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.
 
2021-10-17 12:44:40 PM  
The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?
 
2021-10-17 12:48:03 PM  
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2021-10-17 12:50:34 PM  

blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?


Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.
 
2021-10-17 1:05:23 PM  

vudukungfu: I think I read somewhere that the workers control the means of production


Not yet.......it works well in other countries but Corporate News Network doesnt know anything abt that....wink
 
2021-10-17 1:06:53 PM  

kdawg7736: It can't last forever.


Only a hybrid of capitalism and socialism can last forever

But the big business owned Press made sure murcans would fear Bernie.
 
2021-10-17 1:07:46 PM  

alechemist: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Still under sleepy Joe's watch so it's never the qops fault.


Its run amuck capitalists fault.  They are members of both parties
 
2021-10-17 1:08:30 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.


What I don't understand is strikes can still happen even if not approved. Just don't go to work. What's the company going to do, send the police to your house and force you to work?
 
2021-10-17 1:08:33 PM  
FTFA:  "...after rejecting a tentative deal which would have improved wages and benefits", "... gain basic improvements in the quality of their lives, such as time with their families, which they say they deserve."

TFA has a tone that seems to denigrate the workers.  It gets better through the article, but there are little jabs here and there.  Might just be the writer's style, or even me assigning my own interpretation, but it seems to be there.
 
2021-10-17 1:10:11 PM  

kdawg7736: It can't last forever.


Licking big business stock owner ass and the 1% cant last forever either.

Those turds made their gold linen beds now theyre going to lay in it with no covers to keep warm
 
2021-10-17 1:10:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.


Bec said employers own your Legislators
 
2021-10-17 1:12:47 PM  

blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?


All they know is to keep the lazy sit at home stock owners well fed and the hell with the labor that put the value into the stock.

Their chickens are coming home to roost
 
2021-10-17 1:14:28 PM  

phoenixdan: Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.

What I don't understand is strikes can still happen even if not approved. Just don't go to work. What's the company going to do, send the police to your house and force you to work?


Not yet........
 
2021-10-17 1:16:53 PM  

GardenWeasel: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.


Maybe cheaper in terms of payroll but any good company knows that high turnover saps productivity and you have huge costs associated with recruiting and training new employees.
 
2021-10-17 1:17:00 PM  
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2021-10-17 1:21:21 PM  
Oh ,workers have been raging for decades but many are morons.
It took them one pandemic to realize business owners weren't paying them enough to hire child care and work.
Once you realize their is no net gain for working, then that person exits and that is one less worker in the labor market.
When you lose that many parents from the labor market then you have a shortage compared to what you wanted in order to pay less than subsistence wages.
The business owners are still refusing to use the "free market" to raise pay even though they use that any time they can to lower it.

Idiot owners are still fighting the Sanders Infrastructure bill which would save them by reinserting those workers back into the workforce because of child care ,instead hoping that magically they can get you to live off cat food.
 
2021-10-17 1:30:15 PM  
I see some conservative needs the Trumper explanation.

If every job pays between $10-$15 but charges more for lazy business owners to profit off of someone else's labor, then you need to pay more than $10-$15 and hour for daycare and it is useless for you to work at $10-$15 an hour.
 
2021-10-17 1:39:46 PM  

blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?


^^
THIS right here. I've been a contractor at my job for about 8 years. I teach the farkers they hire as actual employees how to do their jobs. I heard they were hiring this quarter and asked my manager if I could apply. He asked for my resume. Ummmmm....you know exactly what I can do and how I do it. fark you. I decided to apply elsewhere, and the salaries and bonuses right now are stupid.
 
2021-10-17 1:43:53 PM  

Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: It can't last forever.

Only a hybrid of capitalism and socialism can last forever

But the big business owned Press made sure murcans would fear Bernie.


Neither "capitalism" nor "socialism" exist as economic systems. They are ideologies. Look at real economies and even North Korea had to allow markets and limited private business, while even the US has public utilities in some places including where I live.

The first step to more realistic economics is recognizing that neither of the so-called dominant economic systems exist in any real sense. Every system is a hybrid, and often the systems are deeply similar even when there are formal differences. A factory owned by "the state" which is run by a super high ranking bureaucract who attends fancy party conferences, lives in a big house and eats decadent meals has a lot on common with a factory owned by a "capitalist".
 
2021-10-17 1:47:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.

Maybe cheaper in terms of payroll but any good company knows that high turnover saps productivity and you have huge costs associated with recruiting and training new employees.


Don't forget that the new employees get to hear all the horror stories and usually keep looking, even while in their probation period.  Retained, well compensated employees don't gossip, but unappreciated and barely paid ones do.
 
2021-10-17 1:48:25 PM  

Linux_Yes: Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.

Bec said employers own your Legislators


You nailed it, Linux!
 
2021-10-17 1:58:01 PM  

adamatari: Linux_Yes: kdawg7736: It can't last forever.

Only a hybrid of capitalism and socialism can last forever

But the big business owned Press made sure murcans would fear Bernie.

Neither "capitalism" nor "socialism" exist as economic systems. They are ideologies. Look at real economies and even North Korea had to allow markets and limited private business, while even the US has public utilities in some places including where I live.

The first step to more realistic economics is recognizing that neither of the so-called dominant economic systems exist in any real sense. Every system is a hybrid, and often the systems are deeply similar even when there are formal differences. A factory owned by "the state" which is run by a super high ranking bureaucract who attends fancy party conferences, lives in a big house and eats decadent meals has a lot on common with a factory owned by a "capitalist".


How about a factory owned by a few fat cat stock owners who also happen to own a few Legislators on capital hill and who also enjoy the various overseas tax havens??
 
2021-10-17 1:59:11 PM  

MellowMauiMan: Linux_Yes: Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.

Bec said employers own your Legislators

You nailed it, Linux!


We have State Capitalism not true free market capitalism.
 
2021-10-17 2:01:11 PM  
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2021-10-17 2:31:28 PM  

FlippityFlap: I heard they were hiring this quarter and asked my manager if I could apply. He asked for my resume. Ummmmm....you know exactly what I can do and how I do it. fark you.


I think you overreacted a bit here (without knowing if there's an undercurrent coloring things).  Manager could have been asking for a resume for purely technical reasons (like, you have a resume on file to enter them in to the application system), or if there's no system, manager might know from experience thar HR folks will ask for it, could have been asking purely out of reflex, or they want a tidy summary of your work, or they're super busy and if you hand them a resume it'll remind them to consider you when they are ready to hire, etc.

At my job, my managers know exactly what I can do, yet they continually ask me for my latest resume.  Several times a year.  Why?  Because my company goes to the opposite extreme, they are maniacal about retaining people and hiring from within, so they want everyone's resume and skills on file and current.  (I actually oblige them maybe only once a year.)
 
2021-10-17 2:45:10 PM  
Meanwhile on the East Coast Kaiser Permanente Union reps are declaring that "it's their job to help management succeed at their goals."
 
2021-10-17 2:46:13 PM  

FlippityFlap: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

^^
THIS right here. I've been a contractor at my job for about 8 years. I teach the farkers they hire as actual employees how to do their jobs. I heard they were hiring this quarter and asked my manager if I could apply. He asked for my resume. Ummmmm....you know exactly what I can do and how I do it. fark you. I decided to apply elsewhere, and the salaries and bonuses right now are stupid.


If you contract thru another company, there is probably a non-hire clause in the contract.
 
2021-10-17 2:49:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.


Kaiser Permanente had record breaking profits and yet spokesmen are saying "we spend too much money on labor."

In the middle of a farking pandemic with health care workers with their backs to the wall running on fumes and that's the part they are saying out loud.
 
2021-10-17 2:54:51 PM  

Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.

Maybe cheaper in terms of payroll but any good company knows that high turnover saps productivity and you have huge costs associated with recruiting and training new employees.


This.
There is also the cost of hiring.

I'm dealing with this now and I am spending all my time hiring and training instead  doing my job.

Now I'm burned out and ready to leave.
If I do, someone else will have to hire and train my replacement.

Oh and I don't have an immediate supervisor because they left which means someone two levels up would have to do this.  They are already not really doing their job because they are busy helping me and others hire and train.

There is a cost with hiring and training.  And there is the loss of expertise when 5-15 year veterans keep leaving.

To my point above. There are more cost than what you can just write in a ledger.  People who run corporations "know" and "understand" this.  But it's like they can't seem to fold this knowledge into anything actionable.

There is also a real kind of cognitive dissonance with turnover.  It's like, "well it's for the best.  Now we can get someone knew who didn't have that one bad trait they had, even if that bad trait was burn out."
 
2021-10-17 3:04:19 PM  
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2021-10-17 3:50:04 PM  

Fano: Kaiser Permanente had record breaking profits and yet spokesmen are saying "we spend too much money on labor."

In the middle of a farking pandemic with health care workers with their backs to the wall running on fumes and that's the part they are saying out loud.


I don't know the exact situation, but I can see a logic to it.  Covid has mostly killed the elderly and those in poor health, who would have been a dependable income stream for years to come.  It is possible that while profit may be high now, the expectation is for profit to be down for the next several years.

Payroll is one of the easiest to manage expenses in any organization.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I can see the logic.
 
2021-10-17 3:57:16 PM  

blastoh: Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.

Maybe cheaper in terms of payroll but any good company knows that high turnover saps productivity and you have huge costs associated with recruiting and training new employees.

This.
There is also the cost of hiring.

I'm dealing with this now and I am spending all my time hiring and training instead  doing my job.

Now I'm burned out and ready to leave.
If I do, someone else will have to hire and train my replacement.

Oh and I don't have an immediate supervisor because they left which means someone two levels up would have to do this.  They are already not really doing their job because they are busy helping me and others hire and train.

There is a cost with hiring and training.  And there is the loss of expertise when 5-15 year veterans keep leaving.

To my point above. There are more cost than what you can just write in a ledger.  People who run corporations "know" and "understand" this.  But it's like they can't seem to fold this knowledge into anything actionable.

There is also a real kind of cognitive dissonance with turnover.  It's like, "well it's for the best.  Now we can get someone knew who didn't have that one bad trait they had, even if that bad trait was burn out."


I think it's the MBA mentally. If it is not on a spreadsheet, it doesn't exist. Most of what makes anything organization function can not be reduced to a excel or quick books entry.  And I think that most people in management positions know that.  Buy that spreadsheet entry is something that they can show to their boss, who can show it to theirs, and so on.  It's something that approximates tangible results, even if what is really required is untangle.
 
2021-10-17 4:06:43 PM  

blastoh: Mad_Radhu: GardenWeasel: blastoh: The worst part of all this.
Companies are offering bonuses and pay increases to attract people.

Instead if doing that to keep their people.

It's almost like people running large corporations don't know what their doing?

Not really. Keeping long term employees is more expensive than bringing in new raw labor, even with incentives. It is a practice that f*cks everything else up in a business, but at least it's cheaper and the C-level get bonuses. Priorities.

Maybe cheaper in terms of payroll but any good company knows that high turnover saps productivity and you have huge costs associated with recruiting and training new employees.

This.
There is also the cost of hiring.

I'm dealing with this now and I am spending all my time hiring and training instead  doing my job.

Now I'm burned out and ready to leave.
If I do, someone else will have to hire and train my replacement.

Oh and I don't have an immediate supervisor because they left which means someone two levels up would have to do this.  They are already not really doing their job because they are busy helping me and others hire and train.


There is a cost with hiring and training.  And there is the loss of expertise when 5-15 year veterans keep leaving.

To my point above. There are more cost than what you can just write in a ledger.  People who run corporations "know" and "understand" this.  But it's like they can't seem to fold this knowledge into anything actionable.

There is also a real kind of cognitive dissonance with turnover.  It's like, "well it's for the best.  Now we can get someone knew who didn't have that one bad trait they had, even if that bad trait was burn out."


Are you me?

/eerie
 
2021-10-17 4:41:27 PM  

blastoh: Now I'm burned out and ready to leave.
If I do, someone else will have to hire and train my replacement.

Oh and I don't have an immediate supervisor because they left which means someone two levels up would have to do this.  They are already not really doing their job because they are busy helping me and others hire and train.


so what?  that is their problem the minute you drop your resignation letter off.

I get the "If I leave, things get tough for Sam and I like Sam" mentality.  Again, not your problem or Sam's.

Notice everyone else leaving around you and no one gives a shiat about how it impacts you.

It sucks being a human being with empathy, thinking of others and having "We vs Me" team mentality.  We all need to learn to abandon that, our companies don't care about us, we need to stop caring about them.

example: At work, I tell people I prefer to be called Hyjamon.  Friends and family can call me Hyja.  Now my new interim boss with 2 years experience to my 10 calls me Hyja regardless of everyone else calling me Hyjamon.  He seems to think we are cool like that, but it is a silent signal to me that he is really misreading the situation.

/His name is John, I am seriously debating replying to future emails with "Hey Jon..." or "Hey Johnny"
 
2021-10-17 4:51:02 PM  

Hyjamon: blastoh: Now I'm burned out and ready to leave.
If I do, someone else will have to hire and train my replacement.

Oh and I don't have an immediate supervisor because they left which means someone two levels up would have to do this.  They are already not really doing their job because they are busy helping me and others hire and train.

so what?  that is their problem the minute you drop your resignation letter off.

I get the "If I leave, things get tough for Sam and I like Sam" mentality.  Again, not your problem or Sam's.

Notice everyone else leaving around you and no one gives a shiat about how it impacts you.

It sucks being a human being with empathy, thinking of others and having "We vs Me" team mentality.  We all need to learn to abandon that, our companies don't care about us, we need to stop caring about them.

example: At work, I tell people I prefer to be called Hyjamon.  Friends and family can call me Hyja.  Now my new interim boss with 2 years experience to my 10 calls me Hyja regardless of everyone else calling me Hyjamon.  He seems to think we are cool like that, but it is a silent signal to me that he is really misreading the situation.

/His name is John, I am seriously debating replying to future emails with "Hey Jon..." or "Hey Johnny"


"Jo"
 
2021-10-17 6:34:11 PM  
Hey we dropped of doughnuts to the picket line this morning, and brownies last night!
 
2021-10-17 7:10:05 PM  

vudukungfu: I think I read somewhere that the workers control the means of production


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Keep buying those smart speakers!  FREEDOM from the machine!
 
2021-10-17 7:27:43 PM  
A guy I know shared a post on Facebook from a local restaurant about them being closed for a couple of days because of staffing issues. He complained that nobody wants to work anymore.

This guy works at John Deere. He is on strike right now for better treatment from his employer.
 
2021-10-17 8:41:01 PM  

Iowan73: A guy I know shared a post on Facebook from a local restaurant about them being closed for a couple of days because of staffing issues. He complained that nobody wants to work anymore.

This guy works at John Deere. He is on strike right now for better treatment from his employer.


I'm sure the risk of retaliation for not supporting the strike has zero bearing on things...
 
2021-10-17 10:32:28 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Iowan73: A guy I know shared a post on Facebook from a local restaurant about them being closed for a couple of days because of staffing issues. He complained that nobody wants to work anymore.

This guy works at John Deere. He is on strike right now for better treatment from his employer.

I'm sure the risk of retaliation for not supporting the strike has zero bearing on things...


He's all for the strike. He just thinks he's entitled to demand better treatment from his employer and restaurant workers are not.
 
2021-10-18 12:40:13 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.


What kind of commie bullshiat is that? If management farks up, what are they supposed to do? Admit it and adjust guidance? That could hurt the stock price. Instead they should just take money from their workers' pockets and use that to boost the stock price via margin expansion. The taxpayer can pick up the tab for all the workers who can't feed their families, and the government can always step in when companies run out of costs to cut and go bankrupt. It's called the free market. Get used to it, nerd.
 
2021-10-18 1:57:31 AM  

Flying Vermin: Fano: Kaiser Permanente had record breaking profits and yet spokesmen are saying "we spend too much money on labor."

In the middle of a farking pandemic with health care workers with their backs to the wall running on fumes and that's the part they are saying out loud.

I don't know the exact situation, but I can see a logic to it.  Covid has mostly killed the elderly and those in poor health, who would have been a dependable income stream for years to come.  It is possible that while profit may be high now, the expectation is for profit to be down for the next several years.

Payroll is one of the easiest to manage expenses in any organization.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I can see the logic.


Profits are decidedly NOT up right now. Med expense is aggressively ahead of schedule. Most insurers are dealing with much thinner margins than usual. Partly because people are catching up after taking time off of healthcare due to pandemic. Partly because people were skipping well care and screenings and we are now treating more serious conditions as a result
 
2021-10-18 2:14:27 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Unobtanium: If the GQP crashes the economy by blocking the debt ceiling increase, and/or by other means, the perceived "advantage" that they have (they are only 6-something % of the private sector workforce) will disappear.

Strikes and unions?
It is telling who controls the country by the fact that strikes have to be approved in order to happen and police are usually brought in to stop them. Notice the employer is never punished for gutting wages and benefits.


You mean the police who are choosing to quit instead of getting the vaccine?
 
2021-10-18 3:30:11 AM  
Depends how many decades out you set your benchmark. We ain't got shiat on that.


/And that's a good thing.
 
2021-10-18 7:49:47 AM  
Democrats should take advantage of this and show solidarity with the workers. Odds are they'll fark it up, though.
 
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