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(Deadline)   Redundant sequel Halloween Kills the competition with $50 million and the #1 spot at the box office, No Time to Die #2 with $24 million. Venom II: The Wrath of Cletus slithers to #3 with $16 million as Addams Family 2 dips to #4 with $6.7 million   (deadline.com) divider line
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2021-10-17 8:23:43 AM  
You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.
 
2021-10-17 8:48:27 AM  

Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.


Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it
 
2021-10-17 9:14:48 AM  

Mugato: Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.

Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it


Hell if I know, it was on my service. I don't remember paying for anything for it but you know how it goes?
 
2021-10-17 12:03:38 PM  
If I wanted to see a 70-year-old man terrorizing people I'd just sit and watch a CVS Pharmacy waiting line.
 
2021-10-17 12:15:22 PM  

UberNeuman: If I wanted to see a 70-year-old man terrorizing people I'd just sit and watch a CVS Pharmacy waiting line.


Actually it was rebooted in 2007. And again in 2018.
 
2021-10-17 12:22:26 PM  
We're still in a Pandemic. Who the hell is risking their lives to see this dreck? 

/14 friends fully vaccinated have had breakthrough infections
/2 ended up in ICU
 
2021-10-17 12:22:31 PM  
Is this where we talk about nobody goes to the movies anymore?
 
2021-10-17 12:28:19 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Is this where we talk about nobody goes to the movies anymore?


Yeah, that's a lot of money for a cheesy slasher flick, especially since it's also available for streaming. You have to get Peacock Premium but it's only $5/month and you can cancel it after the movie.
 
2021-10-17 12:37:10 PM  

Mugato: UberNeuman: If I wanted to see a 70-year-old man terrorizing people I'd just sit and watch a CVS Pharmacy waiting line.

Actually it was rebooted in 2007. And again in 2018.


The 2018 movie is only a partial reboot. It's a direct sequel to the original film.
 
2021-10-17 12:37:19 PM  

Confabulat: Mugato: Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.

Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it

Hell if I know, it was on my service. I don't remember paying for anything for it but you know how it goes?


Peacock is "free" with my Comcast/Xfinity service.  So glad I didn't pay to see it in the theater.  While it lives up to the "Kills" in the title (it does indeed have a high body count), it continues the disappointment that began in the previous film.
 
2021-10-17 12:46:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: The 2018 movie is only a partial reboot. It's a direct sequel to the original film.


Far out.

CarnySaur: Peacock is "free" with my Comcast/Xfinity service


I get it free too but apparently you get the Premium free as well. Oh well, I'll live.
 
2021-10-17 12:51:31 PM  
It was the opposite of good. Partially because I'm getting older, but then the other part was that it's really bad. Nonsensically bad.
 
2021-10-17 12:59:30 PM  

CarnySaur: Confabulat: Mugato: Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.

Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it

Hell if I know, it was on my service. I don't remember paying for anything for it but you know how it goes?

Peacock is "free" with my Comcast/Xfinity service.  So glad I didn't pay to see it in the theater.  While it lives up to the "Kills" in the title (it does indeed have a high body count), it continues the disappointment that began in the previous film.


I liked the first one just fine. This new one made me angry and confused. The whole last 2/3rds or so was just baffling.
 
2021-10-17 1:12:17 PM  
Who would have guessed that a movie with a lazy title like Halloween Kills would also turn out to be lazily made?
 
2021-10-17 1:51:37 PM  
Halloween Kills looked an awful lot like January 6th in DC
 
2021-10-17 1:53:30 PM  
I still want to see this and don't care if it's awful, because the only reason I want to see it is

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size


Like a thirty year age difference, but no cares on my end. Between her and Melissa McBride almost wonder if something has awakened in me...
 
2021-10-17 2:33:27 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Is this where we talk about nobody goes to the movies anymore?


Cos it's too crowded.
 
2021-10-17 2:38:34 PM  
I had a hard time following the story.
 
2021-10-17 2:38:47 PM  

Wobambo: I still want to see this and don't care if it's awful, because the only reason I want to see it is

[upload.wikimedia.org image 438x598]

Like a thirty year age difference, but no cares on my end. Between her and Melissa McBride almost wonder if something has awakened in me...


She's absolutely wasted in this movie, and for JLC to serve no purpose in a Halloween movie is a real crime.  Her character did nothing, and could have been replaced by any other character.
 
2021-10-17 2:49:54 PM  
We watched it last night. It was terrible.
 
2021-10-17 2:49:55 PM  
I saw venom/carnage last night. I've already written a review for another site, but I'll happily repost it here

Now I've had time to sleep on it, my opinion hasn't changed much. Not since (insert reference here) have I seen a sequel so utterly pointless & devoid of character. Nothing happens outside of the movie's bubble of characters, there's no sense of any external threat to the world at large and the vast proportion of the movie is dedicated to the friction between Eddie & Venom, whose relationship is portrayed as a violent version of The Odd Couple. Honestly, the first 20 minutes or so is just about that.

Ok, a review of sorts. Woody Harrellson reprises his role from the last 30 seconds of the first movie. He's a serial killer on death row who had a troubled childhood (abused by his father after he killed his mum & grandmother), and was sent off to a school for deranged children. While there he bonded with another inmate, a mutant girl with devastating sonic capabilities (if you know anything about venom & loud noises, you can probably see a plot point coming from a mile off). They are separated, and become obsessed with getting back together.

Now all grown up, Woody has had a stay of execution, and for some reason will only talk to Eddie brock about his past misdeeds, so a poorly-cast Stephen Graham allows meetings between the two. At one of these meetings Woody bites eddie, and despite most of the events of the first movie, that's all you need to do to become host to a symbiote.

And that's it. Venom & Eddie have to work together to take down Carnage & Woody, as well as the shouty chick, who might as well not be in the movie at all. Michelle Williams & the other guy show up for 5 minutes of comedic moments (although the Dan character has much more to do, action-wise in the finale, which was a genuine surprise).

It's just that outside the little conflict between the 2 symbiotes & their tiny cabal of hangers-on, nothing else happens. And when something does happen, it's a noisy, confusing, incoherent mess (Michael bay flashbacks, genuinely). It's only when Tom, Michelle & the other guy get together does the dynamic shift to anything resembling the proper humour of the first movie, but by then there's only about 15 minutes left and your brain is already fried.

Mercifully, the movie is only an hour and a half long, but if you took out the Odd couple rubbish and the pointless scene when Venom tries to find himself at a halloween rave, there's barely a 30-minute movie here.

Like I said earlier, just don't bother. You won't get anything out of it apart from a headache.
 
2021-10-17 2:57:39 PM  
I read that no one went to see The Last Duel, which didnt surprise me at all
The previews made it look absolutely horrible and the idea of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck playing medieval characters is laughable.
 
2021-10-17 3:00:35 PM  

Skeleton Man: CarnySaur: Confabulat: Mugato: Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.

Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it

Hell if I know, it was on my service. I don't remember paying for anything for it but you know how it goes?

Peacock is "free" with my Comcast/Xfinity service.  So glad I didn't pay to see it in the theater.  While it lives up to the "Kills" in the title (it does indeed have a high body count), it continues the disappointment that began in the previous film.

I liked the first one just fine. This new one made me angry and confused. The whole last 2/3rds or so was just baffling.


One of the baffling parts was how Judy Greer's daughter looked older than Judy Greer.
 
2021-10-17 3:13:34 PM  
Finally saw No Time To Die.  It's fine.  The first 35-45 minutes was solid to very good.  After that, way too long without much there, really.  The end was legitimately affecting.  I saw it in IMAX, and there wasn't much in the way of spectacle there to really justify that decision.  Although Fukunaga dropped in some beautiful landscape shots.

Ana de Armas was, as usual, a high point.  Probably the best section of the movie.  They should've found an excuse to have her in more of the movie.
 
2021-10-17 4:04:02 PM  
I finally saw Black Widow. It was... OK, I guess. By far my biggest complaint is that they reduced a really cool, unique villain into something fairly uninteresting and unremarkable. Also the scenes that didn't have Florence Pugh and/or David Harbour were... boring as hell.
 
2021-10-17 4:04:46 PM  

imaconnect4guy: I read that no one went to see The Last Duel, which didnt surprise me at all
The previews made it look absolutely horrible and the idea of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck playing medieval characters is laughable.


Heard an interview with the writer they hired to give "a female point of view". The movie is based on a real incident, but there is no documentation directly from the woman that claimed she was raped, just from her husband and the accused rapist. Which means her part of that movie is completely made up, even though the writer says it's "the real story".
 
2021-10-17 4:05:42 PM  

WhippingBoi: I finally saw Black Widow. It was... OK, I guess. By far my biggest complaint is that they reduced a really cool, unique villain into something fairly uninteresting and unremarkable. Also the scenes that didn't have Florence Pugh and/or David Harbour were... boring as hell.


It was a decent movie when it wasn't trying to be a Marvel movie.
 
2021-10-17 4:27:44 PM  
At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.
 
2021-10-17 4:30:17 PM  

Mugato: I don't even use regular Peacock.


That's what she said.
 
2021-10-17 4:30:55 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: WhippingBoi: I finally saw Black Widow. It was... OK, I guess. By far my biggest complaint is that they reduced a really cool, unique villain into something fairly uninteresting and unremarkable. Also the scenes that didn't have Florence Pugh and/or David Harbour were... boring as hell.

It was a decent movie when it wasn't trying to be a Marvel movie.


I liked it.

Florence Pugh stole every scene she was in, including ones where she had no dialogue.
 
2021-10-17 4:52:15 PM  

bumfuzzled: I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.


Slasher flicks don't have "plots". Even A Nightmare on Elm Street, the first and third of which I think are good films, don't really have a plot.
 
2021-10-17 4:55:14 PM  

bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.


In the first movie, he came home and she simply caught his attention by approaching his old house. He kills just because he's psycho and a remorseless killer.

In the second movie it was retconned that Laurie was his sister.

In 4-5-6, it was further retconned that there was some ancient Celtic curse compelling him.
 
2021-10-17 4:55:56 PM  

bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.


As a young boy of three, Judith took her little brother Michael to see Psycho in the theater.  It scared him so much he became a bedwetter.  He could take no more shame so at six he killed his sister and didn't the next sixteen years or so in Smith's Grove where he escaped to live his dream of becoming a classical ballet dancer.  Driving through Haddonfield, he sees Laurie who reminded him of Janet Leigh for some reason so his rage manifested leading him to do a few very bad things.  Really he is the victim in all of this....oh, umm...spoiler alert, I guess.
 
2021-10-17 4:58:59 PM  

Skeleton Man: CarnySaur: Confabulat: Mugato: Confabulat: You can just watch Halloween Kills on Peacock. I got about 20 minutes into it before I was bored but my favorite Halloween movie is Season of the Witch so my opinion on this matter is less than reliable.

Don't you have to have Peacock Prime or Premium or whatever? I don't even use regular Peacock.

/actually, watched the Psych movies but that's pretty much it

Hell if I know, it was on my service. I don't remember paying for anything for it but you know how it goes?

Peacock is "free" with my Comcast/Xfinity service.  So glad I didn't pay to see it in the theater.  While it lives up to the "Kills" in the title (it does indeed have a high body count), it continues the disappointment that began in the previous film.

I liked the first one just fine. This new one made me angry and confused. The whole last 2/3rds or so was just baffling.


Try watching it with a loved one chanting Evil Dies Tonight while aggressively giving you a handy j... Only way I could sit through it.
 
2021-10-17 6:10:18 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: imaconnect4guy: I read that no one went to see The Last Duel, which didnt surprise me at all
The previews made it look absolutely horrible and the idea of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck playing medieval characters is laughable.

Heard an interview with the writer they hired to give "a female point of view". The movie is based on a real incident, but there is no documentation directly from the woman that claimed she was raped, just from her husband and the accused rapist. Which means her part of that movie is completely made up, even though the writer says it's "the real story".


In real life, there were two rapists, and she had bruises. The courtroom part is to figure out if the rapists were who she said they were. And instead of forensics, alibis, etc., they would have a duel to the death.
 
2021-10-17 6:14:29 PM  

bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.


Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.
 
2021-10-17 6:15:37 PM  

Znuh: We're still in a Pandemic. Who the hell is risking their lives to see this dreck? 

/14 friends fully vaccinated have had breakthrough infections
/2 ended up in ICU


Other people are supposed to stay home because your friends couldn't avoid getting sick?
 
2021-10-17 6:45:18 PM  

stoli n coke: However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.


Yeah his being just pure evil with no explanation is better than the typical "white trash family abused him" backstory.
 
2021-10-17 7:24:19 PM  

stoli n coke: bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.

Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.


Is Stroud still his sister or was the re-re-retconned?
 
2021-10-17 7:43:04 PM  

Bslim: stoli n coke: bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.

Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.

Is Stroud still his sister or was the re-re-retconned?


She's no longer his sister.  The new reboot is a sequel to the first movie, but ignores the second (where the sister connection started).
 
2021-10-17 8:00:33 PM  
Halloween II is almost as good (if not better) than the first.
 
2021-10-17 8:27:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: Bslim: stoli n coke: bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.

Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.

Is Stroud still his sister or was the re-re-retconned?

She's no longer his sister.  The new reboot is a sequel to the first movie, but ignores the second (where the sister connection started).


Ah, thanks. I'm watching it now and you've helped me get my bearings.
 
2021-10-17 8:35:06 PM  
What I'm finding hilarious is that Michael has apparently declared war on the town and is just gonna straight-up murder errbody.
 
2021-10-17 8:44:47 PM  
I feel like calling a horror sequel redundant somewhat reveals a lack of understanding of why people enjoy horror.
 
2021-10-17 8:47:49 PM  
Well - slasher horror, anyway. 95 percent of them have incredibly similar plots. Nobody who likes them cares. The spectacle is the point.
 
2021-10-17 8:48:26 PM  

Bslim: NeoCortex42: Bslim: stoli n coke: bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.

Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.

Is Stroud still his sister or was the re-re-retconned?

She's no longer his sister.  The new reboot is a sequel to the first movie, but ignores the second (where the sister connection started).

Ah, thanks. I'm watching it now and you've helped me get my bearings.


Simple. See?
cdn.pastemagazine.comView Full Size
 
2021-10-17 9:18:25 PM  

Fart And Smunny: Well - slasher horror, anyway. 95 percent of them have incredibly similar plots. Nobody who likes them cares. The spectacle is the point.


I've come around to just admire the DIY attitude of the genre.

The Netflix series "The Movies that Made Us" just put out a new season, dealing mainly with sci-fi and horror flicks.

In the 70s, slasher movies were considered beneath studios. They were okay with putting out horror movies like "Exorcist" and "The Omen," provided they had Academy Award winners in the cast and crew or were based on a best seller.

Even when, at a glance, it seemed they were welcoming "New Hollywood" filmmakers, people like John Carpenter and Wes Craven were looked at like party crashers. They weren't yearning to tell a culturally relevant critique on post-Vietnam America or whatever the fark, they just wanted to make people jump in their seats. They got their chance with other Hollywood outsiders financing, but just barely financing. Hell, after paying Donald Pleasance and buying one Steadicam, Carpenter had spent a third of the entire budget for Halloween.
But the limitations brought out their creativity, which is why Carpenter and Craven later became giants in their field.

While the lion's share of the slasher genre has been low-quality, it has served as a valuable teaching environment for new filmmakers to learn not only the filmmaking language, but how to do more with less.
James Wan may get studio backing and multi-million dollar effects budgets now, but he gained his footing as a director under the pressure of shooting a movie in 3 weeks for less than a million bucks, with nearly all of the effects done in-camera.

Even the new Halloween is pretty low-budget for a studio movie, but it's giving it's writers and director, who primarily have done comedies, a chance to learn a different style of filmmaking.

As a genre, it's still easily dismissed, but without it, a lot of great movies may never have happened or be completely different.
 
2021-10-17 9:21:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Bslim: NeoCortex42: Bslim: stoli n coke: bumfuzzled: At this point, can anybody actually explain the "plot" of the Halloween series? (Or the Friday the 13th series, for that matter?)

I know Michael wants to kill the Stroud women, but has there ever been a real attempt to explain why? Other than "ooga booga Michael evil"?

I know, my fault for looking for something resembling logic in a slasher series.

Nah, you're just trying to sound above the genre.

However, there was an origin story in Rob Zombie's 2007 remake.

Truthfully, not knowing was more effective.

Is Stroud still his sister or was the re-re-retconned?

She's no longer his sister.  The new reboot is a sequel to the first movie, but ignores the second (where the sister connection started).

Ah, thanks. I'm watching it now and you've helped me get my bearings.

Simple. See?
[cdn.pastemagazine.com image 800x1200]


I was going to suggest someone make a flowchart for this mess, I see someone already did it.
 
2021-10-17 9:25:32 PM  

stoli n coke: The Netflix series "The Movies that Made Us" just put out a new season, dealing mainly with sci-fi and horror flicks.


Oh, thanks for the reminder. I forgot that was coming out. Looks like a great lineup.
 
2021-10-17 9:43:55 PM  
I watched Halloween Kills on Peacock. I really liked it. It doesn't have much in the way of plot, but with a movie like this, I don't care about plot. I just want to watch the killer run amok, which he definitely does in this movie. They're obviously setting it up for a third one.

I signed up for Peacock just to watch this movie and then I canceled when I was done. It was ten bucks. That's substantially cheaper than going to the movies.
 
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