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2021-10-17 4:32:58 AM  
Winnie the Pooh?
 
Xai
2021-10-17 6:08:56 AM  
To be fair how many Iraq war films portray American forces as heroes, not invaders?
 
2021-10-17 7:13:13 AM  
The CCP will not stop until we are buried.
 
2021-10-17 7:57:33 AM  
Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.
 
2021-10-17 8:03:58 AM  

Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.


There are plentry of movies...
ANNETTE Trailer International (2021) Adam Driver, Marion Cotillard, Drama Movie HD
Youtube On4v1gNJkrE
 
2021-10-17 8:05:11 AM  
...that are not just about...
TITANE Trailer (2021)
Youtube Q5_w2W5G9OM
 
2021-10-17 8:06:03 AM  
...monsters and robots.
Lamb | Official Trailer HD | A24
Youtube hnEwJKVWjFM
 
2021-10-17 8:13:17 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: ...monsters and robots.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hnEwJKVWjFM]


Odd choice of trailer in a post that specifically says there's more to movies than monsters.
 
2021-10-17 8:14:52 AM  
My little China girl, you shouldn't mess with me. I'll ruin everything you are. You know, I'll give television, I'll give you eyes of blue. I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!
 
2021-10-17 8:19:30 AM  
Nobody forced me to watch American Sniper because I don't live in Texas.

Baby?  Baby!?  Baby?!?!
 
2021-10-17 8:20:15 AM  
The Battle of Chosin Reservoir (to use the term by which is better known in the US) is a very complicated event.  Yes, it was a Chinese victory in the sense that after that, any thoughts the UN forces might have had of reunifying Korea went out the window.  But at the same time, the very heavy casualties Chinese forces took also ended any thought they had of reunifying Korea as well.  It just showed the Korean War was a quagmire that, in the end, was just going to fall back to how things were before all those thousands and thousands of Chinese, Korean, American, and other soldiers died.

Here's what is probably a much better exploration of it than this movie, though, of course, given that it's from PBS, more centered on the American troops there (though there are interviews with some of the Chinese soldiers there, who I'm sure would not be allowed to participate in something like this now):

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/chosin/
 
2021-10-17 8:22:25 AM  
Probably just guys with bags of phones going.
 
2021-10-17 8:29:49 AM  
Hold on, why isn't the US crying like babies that we're being portrayed as the bad guys?  (like China does to Hollywood so they effectively are able to censor our films... )

Dr. Strange, Top Gun: Maverick, Bohemian Rhapsody, Mission Impossible, Alien: Covenant, Cloud Atlas, World War Z, and the list goes on for films China has actively pressured and successfully censored in Hollywood.

Go ahead, google "China influence on Hollywood" and go down that rabbit hole.
 
2021-10-17 8:43:04 AM  
Even then nobody would go see the Atlas Shrugged trilogy.
 
2021-10-17 8:51:55 AM  
Given it's a BBC link, I was pleasantly surprised TFA wasn't about the Tories making films to promote the glories of Brexit and the triumphant return of the Empire.
 
2021-10-17 9:10:02 AM  

Clash City Farker: My little China girl, you shouldn't mess with me. I'll ruin everything you are. You know, I'll give television, I'll give you eyes of blue. I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!


That's my favorite BTS song.
 
2021-10-17 9:46:56 AM  
F*ck China.  Commies are scum.
 
2021-10-17 9:47:36 AM  
Team America: World Police (1/10) Movie CLIP - Team America Intro (2004) HD
Youtube HIPljGWGNt4
 
2021-10-17 9:50:24 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.

There are plentry of movies...
[YouTube video: ANNETTE Trailer International (2021) Adam Driver, Marion Cotillard, Drama Movie HD]


Looks like an Avatar ripoff.
 
2021-10-17 9:53:04 AM  
But for Hollywood looking in from the outside, the immense popularity of a local film like this could mean even more challenges ahead as it struggles to gain ground in China - the biggest film market in the world.

Maybe Hollywood should just stop trying to pander to a repressive, authoritarian regime for money? You aren't converting them. They're converting you. You're producing media that gets consumed only if the CCP allows it, so of course the CCP ensures that it doesn't conflict with its own efforts. Now that you've spent all that time showing them how to do it, they're going to shove you out of the way and produce their own.

I mean, any Hollywood hooker would've told you that, sometimes, the money just isn't worth the trick. Just a goddamned thought.
 
2021-10-17 9:59:00 AM  
There is a not insignificant number of people in the US who want to turn it into a similar dystopian nightmare.  Anything non-white and non-Christian in the media would be censored or outright forbidden.

It's like they want to take parts of Nazi Germany and Totalitarian China and make it into a nice American stew.
 
2021-10-17 10:15:56 AM  

Tor_Eckman: There is a not insignificant number of people in the US who want to turn it into a similar dystopian nightmare.  Anything non-white and non-Christian in the media would be censored or outright forbidden.

It's like they want to take parts of Nazi Germany and Totalitarian China and make it into a nice American stew.


That's been a thing for quite a while now. The nazi party had quite a presence in the US before they joined WW2, gaining political clout steadily and starting to exert pressure on cutting off the european and russian allies off from the life-saving supplies being sent. Right up until Japan attacked, however.
 
2021-10-17 10:20:47 AM  
If they portray General MacArthur as being almost criminally negligent about suppressing reports of a massive
Chinese presence waiting in ambush for the American forces, then they won't be far off.
 
2021-10-17 10:25:18 AM  

NeoCortex42: Tyrone Slothrop: ...monsters and robots.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hnEwJKVWjFM]

Odd choice of trailer in a post that specifically says there's more to movies than monsters.


It depends on if you look at the text or subtext. All the movies I posted have "monsters" of one sort of another. But they're not just monsters.
 
2021-10-17 10:27:58 AM  
CSB: I know someone who worked on this movie! Back in 2012 we had an Italian exchange still sent living with us while he was in high school. He eventually got a business degree and got a job with a company in Paris but they transferred him to China.

While he was there he found out about an opportunity to work as an extra on a movie. He was going to be an American soldier in the Korean War. Here he was before:
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And here he is in the movie
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He sent us the photo without explanation and it freaked us out.
 
2021-10-17 10:38:32 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: NeoCortex42: Tyrone Slothrop: ...monsters and robots.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/hnEwJKVWjFM]

Odd choice of trailer in a post that specifically says there's more to movies than monsters.

It depends on if you look at the text or subtext. All the movies I posted have "monsters" of one sort of another. But they're not just monsters.


Yeah, but some monsters are more literal than others. A human/ram hybrid killing people kinda classifies as a pretty typical monster to me.
 
2021-10-17 10:43:57 AM  
It is even better news for the state, which experts say appears to have nailed a formula of making propaganda appeal to the masses.

But for Hollywood looking in from the outside, the immense popularity of a local film like this could mean even more challenges ahead as it struggles to gain ground in China - the biggest film market in the world.


"Well JP, China's foxed us! Turns out our obsequious pandering isn't enough! They want outright propaganda!"

"Then make some outright propaganda! And find a Chinese director and actors whose names can be plastered all over the posters! Do I have to think of everything around here?"

"Genius, JP! That's why you're the boss!"
 
2021-10-17 10:48:05 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: If they portray General MacArthur as being almost criminally negligent about suppressing reports of a massive
Chinese presence waiting in ambush for the American forces, then they won't be far off.


I think one of the best things Truman did as President was finally being the one to figure out how full of shiat MacArthur was.  It ended any chances he might have had of running in 1952, but it prevented World War III.
 
2021-10-17 10:48:16 AM  

EdgeRunner: It is even better news for the state, which experts say appears to have nailed a formula of making propaganda appeal to the masses.

But for Hollywood looking in from the outside, the immense popularity of a local film like this could mean even more challenges ahead as it struggles to gain ground in China - the biggest film market in the world.

"Well JP, China's foxed us! Turns out our obsequious pandering isn't enough! They want outright propaganda!"

"Then make some outright propaganda! And find a Chinese director and actors whose names can be plastered all over the posters! Do I have to think of everything around here?"

"Genius, JP! That's why you're the boss!"


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2021-10-17 10:59:20 AM  

Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.


To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.
 
2021-10-17 11:08:51 AM  

rummonkey: Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.

To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.


It's not so much dumbing down the content as thinning it down to the most bare bones content possible. The less narrative there is, the less difficulty in translating a story across different cultures.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start treating modern blockbusters like Power Rangers episodes, where the fight sequences remain the same no matter where you watch it, but different casts are inserted to cater to different markets. They're greenscreening so many of these movies already, digitally swapping out the lead actors gets easier and easier by the minute.
 
2021-10-17 11:36:01 AM  

EdgeRunner: To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.

It's not so much dumbing down the content as thinning it down to the most bare bones content possible. The less narrative there is, the less difficulty in translating a story across different cultures.


Yeah, I have no problem with monsters and robots but what he said.
 
2021-10-17 11:36:32 AM  
At the Marine Corps Museum near Quantico, VA the Korean War was represented by the Battle of Chosin Reservoir in a climate controlled room.  Awesome museum.
/served on USS Chosin (CG 65)
//the US breakout against 4-1 odds saving ~30k lives was the victory for the US
/// yes, fark MacArthur
 
2021-10-17 11:36:56 AM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.

To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.

It's not so much dumbing down the content as thinning it down to the most bare bones content possible. The less narrative there is, the less difficulty in translating a story across different cultures.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start treating modern blockbusters like Power Rangers episodes, where the fight sequences remain the same no matter where you watch it, but different casts are inserted to cater to different markets. They're greenscreening so many of these movies already, digitally swapping out the lead actors gets easier and easier by the minute.


So they're gonna have Andy Serkis literally fark himself in a digital avatar orgy? Awesome! I, uh, mean, uh, no, that's not good!
 
2021-10-17 11:37:09 AM  
When I lived there - 8 years ago now - in smaller cities (1-5 million people) it was typical on summer Saturday nights to see someone set up a projector to project against a suitable building and put out chairs.  They would show movies produced in the 60s and 70s about the Korean War. They were just like our WW2 movies with worse cinematography.  But they were pretty popular with the olds there.
Watching movies where the Americans were evil people was interesting and a little unnerving and maybe awkward since I was there in the crowd. And everyone knew I was there.  I mean, likely the only white guy in 100 kilometers or more, so easy to spot.
 
2021-10-17 12:00:51 PM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.

To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.

It's not so much dumbing down the content as thinning it down to the most bare bones content possible. The less narrative there is, the less difficulty in translating a story across different cultures.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start treating modern blockbusters like Power Rangers episodes, where the fight sequences remain the same no matter where you watch it, but different casts are inserted to cater to different markets. They're greenscreening so many of these movies already, digitally swapping out the lead actors gets easier and easier by the minute.


We're definitely not in disagreement, I just used a different word to describe what you described.

For the record, you realize you just described the plot (well, chronological events, plot is too ambitious a word) of the Transformers movies.
 
2021-10-17 12:07:39 PM  

Clash City Farker: My little China girl, you shouldn't mess with me. I'll ruin everything you are. You know, I'll give television, I'll give you eyes of blue. I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!


Username almost checks out.

I'll give it a pass.

Iggy Pop is close enough.
 
2021-10-17 12:08:58 PM  
To be fair though it's not like China has any sort of a monopoly on jingoistic and nationalistic propaganda.

Fark user imageView Full Size


China just doesn't really try to pretend that there trying to be accurate in any way shape or form.
 
2021-10-17 12:11:55 PM  

Slypork: CSB: I know someone who worked on this movie! Back in 2012 we had an Italian exchange still sent living with us while he was in high school. He eventually got a business degree and got a job with a company in Paris but they transferred him to China.

While he was there he found out about an opportunity to work as an extra on a movie. He was going to be an American soldier in the Korean War. Here he was before:
[Fark user image image 425x425]
And here he is in the movie
[Fark user image image 425x575]
He sent us the photo without explanation and it freaked us out.


Happy for him.

Like my grandfather used to say, "Unexpected travel plans are dancing lessons from God." This guy seems to have danced his way into a blockbuster.
 
2021-10-17 12:16:20 PM  
Right so uhhh, what part of local patriot duty in one country has jack shat to do wiht your entertainment business bottom live dumb ass?

there you are, acting like it somehow relates, and basically just make believing problems into existence for yourself where none really exist.


If one country's propaganda film that won't amount to jackshat outside their own citizenry, but somehow you imagine you need to be involved in that, and if you do not get a slice of that pie. That's you just making that up, being illogical and irrational to have imagined, any money related to any film anywhere in the world, is always somehow just one big generic entertainment market to be taking as much of as you can. And you have made up a failure for yourself that does not actually exist out here, just in your mind.
 
2021-10-17 12:33:20 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: The CCP will not stop until we are buried.


Dafuq? The "CCP" has exactly one real enemy: Chinese citizens. Everything they do is designed to shore up and centralize internal power. They aren't burying "us" anytime soon and they know it.
 
2021-10-17 12:35:03 PM  

The_Sponge: F*ck China.  Commies are scum.


Oh please.
 
2021-10-17 12:38:25 PM  
Sorry.  Unless it's got Mark Russell, I'm not watching.
 
2021-10-17 12:42:40 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Hold on, why isn't the US crying like babies that we're being portrayed as the bad guys?  (like China does to Hollywood so they effectively are able to censor our films... )

Dr. Strange, Top Gun: Maverick, Bohemian Rhapsody, Mission Impossible, Alien: Covenant, Cloud Atlas, World War Z, and the list goes on for films China has actively pressured and successfully censored in Hollywood.

Go ahead, google "China influence on Hollywood" and go down that rabbit hole.


Because in America, rich people control the government, not the other way around. A rich person can whine and complain without some state sponsored media politicians crying and threatening witholding money because Xinnie the Poo might take offense.

Also, Faux Newz cries all the time. Just mostly in general, and only what has the most retweets.
 
2021-10-17 12:47:57 PM  

funmonger: The Googles Do Nothing: The CCP will not stop until we are buried.

Dafuq? The "CCP" has exactly one real enemy: Chinese citizens. Everything they do is designed to shore up and centralize internal power. They aren't burying "us" anytime soon and they know it.


So you think that selling Americans shoddy goods with little-to-no quality control isn't some kind of warfare against the U.S.?
 
2021-10-17 1:03:21 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Hold on, why isn't the US crying like babies that we're being portrayed as the bad guys?  (like China does to Hollywood so they effectively are able to censor our films... )

Dr. Strange, Top Gun: Maverick, Bohemian Rhapsody, Mission Impossible, Alien: Covenant, Cloud Atlas, World War Z, and the list goes on for films China has actively pressured and successfully censored in Hollywood.

Go ahead, google "China influence on Hollywood" and go down that rabbit hole.


A very simple solution would be legislate and make it illegal for US movie studios to market to the Chinese.
Is that gonna be done? Ah, no, because money is the one and only priority?
Then you best make peace with the fact that our oh so capitalist corporations will do whatever the f*ck the Chinese tell 'em to do.
 
2021-10-17 1:11:35 PM  

Bslim: A very simple solution would be legislate and make it illegal for US movie studios to market to the Chinese. Is that gonna be done? Ah, no, because money is the one and only priority? Then you best make peace with the fact that our oh so capitalist corporations will do whatever the f*ck the Chinese tell 'em to do.


What if they make two cuts the the film. One for normal people around the world and a China cut. It could even be supervised by a Chinaman.

So you add maybe a million dollars to the budget at the very most, the filmmakers are happy that their vision is untarnished, the Chinese are happy that their political and religious sensibilities aren't violated and Hollywood makes a shiatload of quatloos or gold pressed latinum or whatever they trade in China.
 
2021-10-17 1:12:50 PM  
"BuT aMeRiCa MaKeS wAr MoViEs ToO!"

Film critics don't get arrested for giving them low scores in America, audiences aren't forced to go watch them and it's even possible to make movies about war that criticize America, in America!

So blow your whatabboutisms and false equivalences out your ass, or be good little CCP drones to earn your social credits - whatever makes you happy.
 
2021-10-17 1:13:43 PM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Mugato: Good. Let's stop trying to appeal to Chinese audiences, our movies might start having decent dialog and story and not just be about monsters and robots.

To be fair, there are a number of movies that feature monsters and or robots that are quite good. Unfortunately Hollywood's desire to cater to the Chinese market as heavily as they are has made it so they feel the need to dumb down their content so that the flashy oohs and aahs can be appreciated by more audiences.

It's not so much dumbing down the content as thinning it down to the most bare bones content possible. The less narrative there is, the less difficulty in translating a story across different cultures.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start treating modern blockbusters like Power Rangers episodes, where the fight sequences remain the same no matter where you watch it, but different casts are inserted to cater to different markets. They're greenscreening so many of these movies already, digitally swapping out the lead actors gets easier and easier by the minute.


There was a time when sets were reused at night, either to shoot a completely different movie, or to shoot an alternate language version. It's been said that the Spanish version of Lugosi's Dracula is the superior one.
 
2021-10-17 1:19:43 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: "BuT aMeRiCa MaKeS wAr MoViEs ToO!"

Film critics don't get arrested for giving them low scores in America, audiences aren't forced to go watch them and it's even possible to make movies about war that criticize America, in America!

So blow your whatabboutisms and false equivalences out your ass, or be good little CCP drones to earn your social credits - whatever makes you happy.


USA! USA!.USA! USA!

Uh, what exactly are the benefits of being a CCP drone with "social credit"?
 
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