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2021-10-17 3:52:42 AM  
If you are already murdering folks for fun and racism, what the hell is a little grand theft, highway robbery in comparison?
 
2021-10-17 5:43:30 AM  
This is my drunk lack of surprise.

surprise
 
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2021-10-17 6:11:12 AM  
Land of the police state.
 
2021-10-17 6:45:49 AM  
The police have been stealing money since Reagan.  What does the media care?
 
2021-10-17 7:10:35 AM  
haha murcans you live in a third world shiathole

Hows exceptionalism now?
 
2021-10-17 7:15:32 AM  
Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.
 
2021-10-17 7:19:01 AM  
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Welp, quick search. 10 acres in Canadian County and a coont hair away from what they were carrying.

So fark the cops. Assuming this is said property.
 
2021-10-17 7:20:03 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.



Among those surprised by the turn of events is the man who was set to sell his land to Thai and Liu.
"I was shocked when I heard of the confiscation of their money," the seller told NBC News.
He said he had met with them a few days earlier and had drawn up a contract to sell the property to Thai for $100,000. NBC News has viewed a copy of the agreement.
 
2021-10-17 7:20:11 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.


"Among those surprised by the turn of events is the man who was set to sell his land to Thai and Liu.
"I was shocked when I heard of the confiscation of their money," the seller told NBC News.

He said he had met with them a few days earlier and had drawn up a contract to sell the property to Thai for $100,000. NBC News has viewed a copy of the agreement."

Pro tip: the smallest effort will often save you from broadcasting your ignorance.
 
2021-10-17 7:22:40 AM  
Yup lol missed that sorry
 
2021-10-17 7:23:40 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.


Except there was a quote from the guy selling them the land.
 
2021-10-17 7:24:23 AM  

Unobtanium: Except the cops were in Oklahoma, not New Mexico:
A pair of New Mexico businessmen were driving along Interstate 40 in Oklahoma...

Also:
More than 30 states have instituted reforms in recent years to protect people from civil asset forfeiture, such as shifting the burden of proof to the authorities. Others - like New Mexico, North Carolina, Nebraska and Maine - have abolished it all together*.

Canadian County, Oklahoma, as do many others, funds its law enforcement with seized finds, instead of taxing its populace. Police reform needs to include banning the practice. Or, at the very least, change the evidentiary balance to require a much higher burden of proof, and a criminal conviction with an actual proved nexus to the cash.

*Insert obligatory Airplane! joke here


Fines should go to a state or federal  fund that's out of control of the fine takers or the law makers who make the fines. use the funds to help ailing school districts or covid orphanages and women's centers.

Letting the police have access to any money they seize obviously incentivizes them to seize money
 
2021-10-17 7:26:34 AM  
"Stand and Deliver!"

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2021-10-17 7:27:53 AM  
Isn't oklahoma where they built a machine that cops can use on the roadside to automatically empty people's bank accounts by card?
 
2021-10-17 7:30:19 AM  
That's what you get for running into fake Canadians, eh?

Damn Canadian County. Confuses me to no end. This has nothing to do with Canada. At all!
 
2021-10-17 7:31:20 AM  
The fact that one of them had a record for growing marijuana -- which the cops did not know when they pulled them over -- taints all that cash in the eyes of every cop and judge in the state.

But i heard about this happening to another Asian guy over about 10 or 11 grand -- he was able to justify his circumstances, eventually, as well as the pending transaction, and was able to retrieve it -- but it took months, IIRCC.

I think these guys are S.O.L., tho -- they should definitely get a lawyer all over it.
 
2021-10-17 7:33:06 AM  
If you're driving around with 100k in cash, you're either a criminal, or very very stupid.

So great, if they're not criminals, it will be trivial for them to show their tax records, that makes it plausible that they earned this money legally. Because when you earn money, you have to pay tax.

USA does have tax records, yes?
 
2021-10-17 7:34:49 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: If you're driving around with 100k in cash, you're either a criminal, or very very stupid.

So great, if they're not criminals, it will be trivial for them to show their tax records, that makes it plausible that they earned this money legally. Because when you earn money, you have to pay tax.

USA does have tax records, yes?


I like how you've totally inverted the burden of proof and how it's up to the citizens to prove they made their money legally and not up to the state to prove they didn't.
 
2021-10-17 7:35:28 AM  
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2021-10-17 7:37:37 AM  
so they stole 60K eh?
 
2021-10-17 7:43:17 AM  

qorkfiend: Ketchuponsteak: If you're driving around with 100k in cash, you're either a criminal, or very very stupid.

So great, if they're not criminals, it will be trivial for them to show their tax records, that makes it plausible that they earned this money legally. Because when you earn money, you have to pay tax.

USA does have tax records, yes?

I like how you've totally inverted the burden of proof and how it's up to the citizens to prove they made their money legally and not up to the state to prove they didn't.


True. But that is how the law reads. The victims must go to court and prove they earned the money and it was not going to be used to buy drugs.
 
2021-10-17 7:44:02 AM  

FarkingChas: qorkfiend: Ketchuponsteak: If you're driving around with 100k in cash, you're either a criminal, or very very stupid.

So great, if they're not criminals, it will be trivial for them to show their tax records, that makes it plausible that they earned this money legally. Because when you earn money, you have to pay tax.

USA does have tax records, yes?

I like how you've totally inverted the burden of proof and how it's up to the citizens to prove they made their money legally and not up to the state to prove they didn't.

True. But that is how the law reads. The victims must go to court and prove they earned the money and it was not going to be used to buy drugs.


The person I was responding to didn't try and cite the law.
 
2021-10-17 7:46:20 AM  
Asset forfeiture is such a gross thing.
I mean, sure, if you're convicted of a crime where it can be shown that it's the reason you have that house or car or whatever, fine. That's the spirit of the practice, anyways - not to allow drug dealers to profit from their acts.
But just taking cash off people with no charges or cause other than that it's unusual? No. I don't care if it's guys like this with an easily verifiable reason or if it's Avon Barksdale rolling into the drive-thru in his Escalade and some fat stacks.
 
2021-10-17 7:50:21 AM  
Circumstances point to these guys doing nothing wrong. However this is a prime example of why you wait for a lawyer before saying anything no matter what.
 
2021-10-17 7:50:36 AM  

Lambskincoat: If you are already murdering folks for fun and racism, what the hell is a little grand theft, highway robbery in comparison?


LEO's are probably the biggest 'gang' that exists in the US today.  On par with the Mafia.
 
2021-10-17 7:51:56 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.


TFA quotes the seller of the land who was very surprised to hear about the turn of events, and confirmed that he had a contract for the $100,000 sale of land drawn up and ready to go.

But it doesn't establish the providence of this money -- the only hope they have is their tax and bank records establishing a earning and savings record that lines up with their claim that they had been saving "for years" to purchase land.
 
2021-10-17 7:52:50 AM  
Well they just have to jump through a million hoops and prove the money didn't commit a crime or something and they can have it back.
 
2021-10-17 7:53:48 AM  

groppet: Well they just have to jump through a million hoops and prove the money didn't commit a crime or something and they can have it back.


Yup. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, at this point
 
2021-10-17 7:55:02 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Circumstances point to these guys doing nothing wrong. However this is a prime example of why you wait for a lawyer before saying anything no matter what.


Waiting for a lawyer in this case would not help. They still have the "right" to take that money and make you have to reclaim it. No lawyer can stop them. This law really sucks.


But this seems like a good time to post this. This can never be posted too often. The first 5 minutes are too slow. Stick with it:

Don't Talk to the Police
Youtube d-7o9xYp7eE
 
2021-10-17 7:56:54 AM  

FarkingChas: Ragin' Asian: Circumstances point to these guys doing nothing wrong. However this is a prime example of why you wait for a lawyer before saying anything no matter what.

Waiting for a lawyer in this case would not help. They still have the "right" to take that money and make you have to reclaim it. No lawyer can stop them. This law really sucks.


But this seems like a good time to post this. This can never be posted too often. The first 5 minutes are too slow. Stick with it:

[YouTube video: Don't Talk to the Police]


Except not talking wouldn't have helped in this case. Once they were stopped, the money was as good as gone.
 
2021-10-17 7:58:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: FarkingChas: Ragin' Asian: Circumstances point to these guys doing nothing wrong. However this is a prime example of why you wait for a lawyer before saying anything no matter what.

Waiting for a lawyer in this case would not help. They still have the "right" to take that money and make you have to reclaim it. No lawyer can stop them. This law really sucks.


But this seems like a good time to post this. This can never be posted too often. The first 5 minutes are too slow. Stick with it:

[YouTube video: Don't Talk to the Police]

Except not talking wouldn't have helped in this case. Once they were stopped, the money was as good as gone.


Yes I said that. Glad you agree.
 
2021-10-17 7:59:49 AM  

RasIanI: groppet: Well they just have to jump through a million hoops and prove the money didn't commit a crime or something and they can have it back.

Yup. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, at this point


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2021-10-17 8:28:18 AM  

gaspode: haha murcans you live in a third world shiathole


always has been third world, except for the marketing team and guys that make things go boom
 
2021-10-17 8:38:43 AM  

RasIanI: nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.

TFA quotes the seller of the land who was very surprised to hear about the turn of events, and confirmed that he had a contract for the $100,000 sale of land drawn up and ready to go.

But it doesn't establish the providence of this money -- the only hope they have is their tax and bank records establishing a earning and savings record that lines up with their claim that they had been saving "for years" to purchase land.


Nice to know the 4th Amendment has just been completely annihilated when it was created specifically for this reason.
 
2021-10-17 8:42:08 AM  
Was a Cashier's Check out of the question? Not condoning what these corrupt pigs did. Just curiosity.
 
2021-10-17 8:44:41 AM  
If only there was some safe way to carry that much money around.
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2021-10-17 8:45:21 AM  

Flincher: Was a Cashier's Check out of the question? Not condoning what these corrupt pigs did. Just curiosity.


This. Maybe the seller was going to claim a much lower selling price. He knows some people that can help him hide the real price?
 
2021-10-17 8:46:19 AM  

harleyquinnical: RasIanI: nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.

TFA quotes the seller of the land who was very surprised to hear about the turn of events, and confirmed that he had a contract for the $100,000 sale of land drawn up and ready to go.

But it doesn't establish the providence of this money -- the only hope they have is their tax and bank records establishing a earning and savings record that lines up with their claim that they had been saving "for years" to purchase land.

Nice to know the 4th Amendment has just been completely annihilated when it was created specifically for this reason.


Like ... the *entire* reason we created the police force was to capture runaway slaves in direct violation of their 4th Amendment protections.  The first day that the first cop was given the first badge, was the last day that those words had any practical meaning.
 
2021-10-17 8:49:46 AM  

FarkingChas: Flincher: Was a Cashier's Check out of the question? Not condoning what these corrupt pigs did. Just curiosity.

This. Maybe the seller was going to claim a much lower selling price. He knows some people that can help him hide the real price?


Meanwhile, in criminality of this sort that actually matters and yet goes completely ignored by literally farking everybody in a position to stop it:

The Panama/Paradise Papers.

But let's craft a theory about this specific money that implies potential future criminal intent, and use that theory to justify robbing a person.  He might have been trying to dodge a few thousand dollars in taxes, after all.  What's that?  Oh, I have to take this call from Amazon.  They want a 10 billion dollar tax credit for the next ten years or they'll build the new warehouse in another state.  Excuse me.  I have to take this.
 
2021-10-17 8:51:08 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.


Well of course the cops didn't check. If the story checked out and they have no reason to keep the money.
 
2021-10-17 8:51:47 AM  
The fact that civil forfeiture is even legal in cases where no charges are filed is a strong indicator of the overwhelming corruption and dishonesty of our judicial branch.

The police are now to the point where the few good apples are viewed as spoiling the fun for all the rotten apples.
 
2021-10-17 8:53:07 AM  

BeesNuts: harleyquinnical: RasIanI: nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.

TFA quotes the seller of the land who was very surprised to hear about the turn of events, and confirmed that he had a contract for the $100,000 sale of land drawn up and ready to go.

But it doesn't establish the providence of this money -- the only hope they have is their tax and bank records establishing a earning and savings record that lines up with their claim that they had been saving "for years" to purchase land.

Nice to know the 4th Amendment has just been completely annihilated when it was created specifically for this reason.

Like ... the *entire* reason we created the police force was to capture runaway slaves in direct violation of their 4th Amendment protections.  The first day that the first cop was given the first badge, was the last day that those words had any practical meaning.


That is Meme History, not real history.  Policing is as old as humanity.  Modern policing came from England, and was invented after England banned the slave trade within the empire.
 
2021-10-17 8:54:59 AM  

groppet: Well they just have to jump through a million hoops and prove the money didn't commit a crime or something and they can have it back.


... after losing out on the land deal, taking up an inordinate amount of their time to go to court multiple times, paying thousands to a lawyer to represent them...

Easy peasy
 
2021-10-17 8:56:31 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Unobtanium: Except the cops were in Oklahoma, not New Mexico:
A pair of New Mexico businessmen were driving along Interstate 40 in Oklahoma...

Also:
More than 30 states have instituted reforms in recent years to protect people from civil asset forfeiture, such as shifting the burden of proof to the authorities. Others - like New Mexico, North Carolina, Nebraska and Maine - have abolished it all together*.

Canadian County, Oklahoma, as do many others, funds its law enforcement with seized finds, instead of taxing its populace. Police reform needs to include banning the practice. Or, at the very least, change the evidentiary balance to require a much higher burden of proof, and a criminal conviction with an actual proved nexus to the cash.

*Insert obligatory Airplane! joke here

Fines should go to a state or federal  fund that's out of control of the fine takers or the law makers who make the fines. use the funds to help ailing school districts or covid orphanages and women's centers.

Letting the police have access to any money they seize obviously incentivizes them to seize money


State/Local police get around that pesky state law banning seizures by calling friend in federal law enforcement. There was an NPR story about it happening and the money had to sue the US Government to prove it was legal. *looks for story*
 
2021-10-17 8:59:41 AM  

Flincher: Was a Cashier's Check out of the question? Not condoning what these corrupt pigs did. Just curiosity.


Traveler's checks are still a thing nowadays. Postal orders are rare but I hear they still exist.
 
2021-10-17 9:01:12 AM  

RasIanI: nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.

TFA quotes the seller of the land who was very surprised to hear about the turn of events, and confirmed that he had a contract for the $100,000 sale of land drawn up and ready to go.

But it doesn't establish the providence of this money -- the only hope they have is their tax and bank records establishing a earning and savings record that lines up with their claim that they had been saving "for years" to purchase land.


If the money was legit and they had withdrawn it from the bank on the way over to the seller. The bank most definitely has records of the withdrawal.  The feds do too.
 
2021-10-17 9:03:36 AM  
"We didn't understand why he pulled us over," said Thai, 51, a Vietnamese immigrant and father of two from Albuquerque. "I was driving under the speed limit."

Well, there it is. No honest, upright citizen would do something so suspicious.
 
2021-10-17 9:06:02 AM  

hissatsu: "We didn't understand why he pulled us over," said Thai, 51, a Vietnamese immigrant and father of two from Albuquerque. "I was driving under the speed limit."

Well, there it is. No honest, upright citizen would do something so suspicious.


Pretty close, after 2am in a BMW, cop wanted a DUI and pocketed $10k instead.
 
2021-10-17 9:06:13 AM  

BizarreMan: If the money was legit and they had withdrawn it from the bank on the way over to the seller. The bank most definitely has records of the withdrawal.  The feds do too.


That may well be how the cops found the money.  There's a national police network dedicated to stealing money.  It's very profitable.  They all get a share.
 
2021-10-17 9:08:32 AM  

nocturn: Soooooooo.... The cops checked with the seller of said ten acres who said what? Was their story confirmed? Denied? Were there 10 acres on sale?

Because if there were no ten acres or the land seller said they had no idea who these two guys were, the police might have some reasonable doubt. Some.

But neither the police nor the reporter checked that one fact. So we don't got a lot to work with here, fellow Farkers.


Reasonable doubt is supposed to keep you from being found guilty not to keep you from being presumed innocent.
 
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