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2021-10-17 5:46:34 AM  
I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.
 
2021-10-17 6:27:46 AM  
F you, Canon.

You used to be cool. My resurrected LJ5 has a Canon engine.

If you can find a refurb or used LJ5, buy it.  Built like a tank, millions sold = cheap easily available parts and toner carts, reliable operation.
 
2021-10-17 6:38:29 AM  

Flowery Twats: F you, Canon.

You used to be cool. My resurrected LJ5 has a Canon engine.

If you can find a refurb or used LJ5, buy it.  Built like a tank, millions sold = cheap easily available parts and toner carts, reliable operation.


When?

I worked at an Office Max during high school in the late 90s... Canon wasn't cool then.  HP was the only good consumer laser printers (in terms of quality). Even back then Canon had split into 5 inkjet cartridges, and like everyone else, was giving you starter cartridges with like 25% of the ink. And not letting you print if any of them were dry.
 
2021-10-17 6:41:54 AM  
I work in a warehouse with label printers, and it seems like every week they are calling tech support for one of the printers. It's the scanner-printer that has the most issues. I don't catch the details, but my supervisor is dealing with it for hours each week.

More than once I've gone to Best Buy to buy an ink cartridge, then seen a new printer on sale for less than the new ink. When I moved out I had several empty but working printers.
 
2021-10-17 7:00:50 AM  
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2021-10-17 7:21:34 AM  
I had the same with an Epson 3in1. I bought it and wanted to scan something so I unboxed it, plugged it in and tried to scan. I refused until I'd installed the ink. I didn't need to print anything at that time so I didn't want to but there was no way around it.
Never bought another Epson, and only ever bought fake ink refills for it. Bastards.
 
2021-10-17 7:29:43 AM  

Spice Must Flow: More than once I've gone to Best Buy to buy an ink cartridge, then seen a new printer on sale for less than the new ink. When I moved out I had several empty but working printers.


Yeah, lexmark was notorious for that. Still, the ink cartridge they provided with the printers weren't the same as the replacement cartridges. They were sent to you nearly empty.
 
2021-10-17 7:30:58 AM  

Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.


I have been happy with my Epson inkwell. Ink is cheap. Do have to make sure you print something every week or so so it doesn't clog.
 
2021-10-17 7:32:05 AM  
Read the headline as Conan and was very confused when there was no female lamentations or enemy crushing.
 
2021-10-17 7:51:07 AM  

Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.


Same. I had to replace my second to last HP inkjet printer because they stopped making the ink cartridges but they still disabled third party cartridges. Dick move.

My last HP inkjet printer 1) didn't get anywhere near the amount of pages they stated before the cartridge would stop working 2) wanted to print endless test and alignment pages. I suspect it was doing this to deliberately use up the cartridge faster. It was ridiculous how much I was spending to print off 50 or so pages.

I bought a Brother laser printer. No complaints. Still haven't used up the smaller capacity intro toner cartridge that came with it.
 
2021-10-17 8:00:00 AM  
Ink jets are the ultimate Vimes Boots Theory garbage.  I bought a laser printer in 2010 and never looked back.

Ok, I kinda looked back... I wish it had Wi-Fi printing and a better interface display, but I'm not going to buy just a new printer while the current one works.
 
2021-10-17 8:03:08 AM  
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2021-10-17 8:03:17 AM  

Tchernobog: Read the headline as Conan and was very confused when there was no female lamentations or enemy crushing.


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What a Conan scanner might look like
 
2021-10-17 8:11:51 AM  
Good luck with that. You probably agreed to it somewhere in the terms and conditions/user agreement you blindly said "yes" to..
 
2021-10-17 8:35:30 AM  

Izunbacol: Ink jets are the ultimate Vimes Boots Theory garbage.  I bought a laser printer in 2010 and never looked back.

Ok, I kinda looked back... I wish it had Wi-Fi printing and a better interface display, but I'm not going to buy just a new printer while the current one works.


I went black and white laser printer (Samsung) in the early 00's and it's been a beast. I only consistently use it to print a database checklist of around nine pages every week, then the occasional random things.

At nearly 20 years old it's on its 5th or 6th toner cartridge. In the printer's advanced age its only malfunction is a few small unimportant streaks, and the rubber grabber wheel for the letter-sized only paper tray has worn to the point it no longer grabs - forcing me to use the flip out feeder usually reserved for legal size.

The only other problem it has is the plastic extension on that flip-out feeder has been snapped clean off by a curious kitty trying to perch on it when I wasn't looking. It's also a network printer that hasn't network printed in nearly a decade because Samsung abandoned software support for it. I've been using generic laser printer driver for a while.

I am probably going to replace the entire printer when the toner cartridge dies. Because last I checked replacing/refilling the cartridge won't be worth it. It will be cheaper to buy a newer, better-supported machine than to fight to keep the old one working.

My client uses a larger HP laser model that's even older than my Samsung. It's a frigging tank.
 
2021-10-17 8:46:45 AM  
And you just know these anti-consumer, money-grubbing, hostile practices got someone an award when they thought of them and presented them to the boss.
 
2021-10-17 9:04:17 AM  
I got sick of explaining why I'd rather buy a $500 laser printer than an $80 inkjet ages ago.
 
2021-10-17 9:12:33 AM  

Spice Must Flow: More than once I've gone to Best Buy to buy an ink cartridge, then seen a new printer on sale for less than the new ink. When I moved out I had several empty but working printers.


Ink cartridges that come with new printers typically don't have as much ink as the cartridges you buy separately. Your strategy might have cost you more in time and money.
 
2021-10-17 9:18:57 AM  

Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.


I've had a Brother laser printer for 14 years, recently replaced with a Brother All-in-one because the old one didn't do wifi. The first on replaced an inkjet that had to be used almost daily or the inking head would dry out. Color was nice, but totally unnecessary.

Never had any problems with either Brother device.
 
2021-10-17 9:41:38 AM  
Inkjet printers are generally a flat-out scam. They are. They mostly suck. But there are people who need to print photos on-demand. I'm one of them.

The most problem-free Inkjets I deal with are Brother MFC-5000 series. I have one at home and support a couple through my work, and I suggest them for SOHO setups where photo printing is needed. 99% of the time, I'll tell people to get Brother laser printers instead. But those MFC-5000s will print photos at 11x17 borderless, the ink cost is within reason and the worst problem is the tendency of those printers to lightly scuff the print where rollers contact the page. They're fine for most purposes but not quite good enough for art.

I also have a Canon Prograf 300 at home that I use to make 13x19" prints, and an HP T720 plotter if I need to make a banner for some reason. Those are both BIG inkjets. In either case, I charge $50/print. The cost to operate either printer is enormous; my cost for a 36"x24" print is something like $28, I think.
 
2021-10-17 9:45:40 AM  

Boudyro: Izunbacol: Ink jets are the ultimate Vimes Boots Theory garbage.  I bought a laser printer in 2010 and never looked back.

Ok, I kinda looked back... I wish it had Wi-Fi printing and a better interface display, but I'm not going to buy just a new printer while the current one works.

I went black and white laser printer (Samsung) in the early 00's and it's been a beast. I only consistently use it to print a database checklist of around nine pages every week, then the occasional random things.

At nearly 20 years old it's on its 5th or 6th toner cartridge. In the printer's advanced age its only malfunction is a few small unimportant streaks, and the rubber grabber wheel for the letter-sized only paper tray has worn to the point it no longer grabs - forcing me to use the flip out feeder usually reserved for legal size.

The only other problem it has is the plastic extension on that flip-out feeder has been snapped clean off by a curious kitty trying to perch on it when I wasn't looking. It's also a network printer that hasn't network printed in nearly a decade because Samsung abandoned software support for it. I've been using generic laser printer driver for a while.

I am probably going to replace the entire printer when the toner cartridge dies. Because last I checked replacing/refilling the cartridge won't be worth it. It will be cheaper to buy a newer, better-supported machine than to fight to keep the old one working.

My client uses a larger HP laser model that's even older than my Samsung. It's a frigging tank.


Probably the 9050. Those things are beast, and heavy as hell
 
2021-10-17 9:46:39 AM  
Inkjet printers are banned in my household.  They suck in every possible way.

I got a used old-skool HP laser printer 20 years ago which worked fine until it got water damaged.  So I bought another laser printer.  That was about 10 years ago and it's still working fine.  Every four years maybe I'll buy new toner cartridges.  Aftermarket because I'm a cheap bastard.

They'll also do really good colour prints on photo paper, because the damn stuff doesn't run or fade when it gets humid.  It's fused freakin' toner; it's not going anywhere.

Inkjet printers are only good as sledgehammer fodder.
 
2021-10-17 10:06:42 AM  

natazha: Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.

I've had a Brother laser printer for 14 years, recently replaced with a Brother All-in-one because the old one didn't do wifi. The first on replaced an inkjet that had to be used almost daily or the inking head would dry out. Color was nice, but totally unnecessary.

Never had any problems with either Brother device.


I bought my Dell colour laser printer in 2012. It just sits there most of the time but I can fire it up for a single page and it prints perfectly, then back to sleep for a month. It recently went on the fritz and wouldn't print black properly but I found the service guide online and figured out how to clean some electrical contacts (springs) and it's back to fine working order. Hopefully it lasts another ten years.
 
2021-10-17 10:08:23 AM  
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2021-10-17 10:10:58 AM  

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Don't blame the engineers. Blame marketing. The engineers were just following orders.

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2021-10-17 10:21:17 AM  

likefunbutnot: Inkjet printers are generally a flat-out scam. They are. They mostly suck. But there are people who need to print photos on-demand. I'm one of them.

The most problem-free Inkjets I deal with are Brother MFC-5000 series. I have one at home and support a couple through my work, and I suggest them for SOHO setups where photo printing is needed. 99% of the time, I'll tell people to get Brother laser printers instead. But those MFC-5000s will print photos at 11x17 borderless, the ink cost is within reason and the worst problem is the tendency of those printers to lightly scuff the print where rollers contact the page. They're fine for most purposes but not quite good enough for art.

I also have a Canon Prograf 300 at home that I use to make 13x19" prints, and an HP T720 plotter if I need to make a banner for some reason. Those are both BIG inkjets. In either case, I charge $50/print. The cost to operate either printer is enormous; my cost for a 36"x24" print is something like $28, I think.


I've got a bunch of colour laser prints framed and hanging on the wall. You would probably notice but nobody else would unless they got right up close. And that's from a ten year old printer. If your goal is perfect printing then an inkjet is where it's at, but for everything else a laser printer will do just fine.
 
2021-10-17 10:21:28 AM  
My LaserJet CP1525 still runs fine and prints well and its pretty darn old.
 
2021-10-17 10:25:35 AM  

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About a decade ago I was working for an online k-12 school. As part of the hardware equipment bundle that we shipped out to each student, we included an all-in-one device so they could scan documents and send them to their teachers. The problem was that if either the black or color cartridge was low, the whole device would refuse to operate. They wouldn't scan, wouldn't print. It was the stupidest thing. We ended up purchasing thousands of ink cartridges to send one with each bundle that went out. The ink was more than the whole device.
Bastards.

I've got a laser all-in-one printer now that doesn't do that. And it was less than $100.
 
2021-10-17 10:31:08 AM  

Russ1642: I've got a bunch of colour laser prints framed and hanging on the wall. You would probably notice but nobody else would unless they got right up close. And that's from a ten year old printer. If your goal is perfect printing then an inkjet is where it's at, but for everything else a laser printer will do just fine.


I'm pretty serious about photography, to the tune of a Canon R5 with both the 28 - 70 and 70 - 200 RF lenses.  That's about $10,000 just with those three things. Borderless, 100% reproduction is something I demand from prints. Laser printers are never going to provide anything like accurate color reproduction, nor borderless printing, nor large format support. It's one of the few cases where photo-grade inkjets are justified.  I do print just enough to make the high end inkjets I have justified. If I don't have the print volume in a given month, I'll print some 4x6" images and offer them for sale along with whatever large format pictures I happen to have sold that month.

Laser output is always going to be washed out in comparison. I'm not arguing the cost or utility of the color laser process. I advocate for it myself. But if you ACTUALLY need accurate pigments, your options are inkjet or dye sublimation, and dye sub is expensive and rare enough that I don't fark with it.
 
2021-10-17 10:31:44 AM  

natazha: Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.

I've had a Brother laser printer for 14 years, recently replaced with a Brother All-in-one because the old one didn't do wifi. The first on replaced an inkjet that had to be used almost daily or the inking head would dry out. Color was nice, but totally unnecessary.

Never had any problems with either Brother device.


whenever somebody asks me about what printer they should buy, I always recommend Brothers. they just work. I bought a $100 all-in-one for the house a few years back and have never had an issue with it. it's just a black and white and bought two knockoff full size toner cartridges on Amazon for $14 and still using the first one. at my last job six, seven years or so ago I bought a Brother for our receptionist to use to scan and print rather than running back and forth to the big printers. figured if they got a year use out of it, it was still worth the money - and the last I heard the printer was still going.

unless you absolutely have a reason to buy an inkjet - don't bother with them.
 
2021-10-17 10:38:28 AM  

likefunbutnot: Laser output is always going to be washed out in comparison. I'm not arguing the cost or utility of the color laser process. I advocate for it myself. But if you ACTUALLY need accurate pigments, your options are inkjet or dye sublimation, and dye sub is expensive and rare enough that I don't fark with it.


For 4x6 prints I use a Canon SELPHY, which is ink dye sublimation with a final clearcoat.  They do a fantastic job but hoo boy do you have to make sure you're in a totally dust free room when printing.

Laser on proper photo paper do okay but you have to fiddle with the settings a lot to get the colour balance reasonable.  Never as good as dye sub but I prefer it to inkjet because at least the prints don't fade so fast.  I.e the inkjet print will look great at first, but not for long...
 
2021-10-17 10:40:31 AM  

Boudyro: Izunbacol: Ink jets are the ultimate Vimes Boots Theory garbage.  I bought a laser printer in 2010 and never looked back.

Ok, I kinda looked back... I wish it had Wi-Fi printing and a better interface display, but I'm not going to buy just a new printer while the current one works.

I went black and white laser printer (Samsung) in the early 00's and it's been a beast. I only consistently use it to print a database checklist of around nine pages every week, then the occasional random things.

At nearly 20 years old it's on its 5th or 6th toner cartridge. In the printer's advanced age its only malfunction is a few small unimportant streaks, and the rubber grabber wheel for the letter-sized only paper tray has worn to the point it no longer grabs - forcing me to use the flip out feeder usually reserved for legal size.

The only other problem it has is the plastic extension on that flip-out feeder has been snapped clean off by a curious kitty trying to perch on it when I wasn't looking. It's also a network printer that hasn't network printed in nearly a decade because Samsung abandoned software support for it. I've been using generic laser printer driver for a while.

I am probably going to replace the entire printer when the toner cartridge dies. Because last I checked replacing/refilling the cartridge won't be worth it. It will be cheaper to buy a newer, better-supported machine than to fight to keep the old one working.

My client uses a larger HP laser model that's even older than my Samsung. It's a frigging tank.


I've got an HP LaserJet 1320 that I got used from a company I worked for 8 years ago.   The printer was 10 years old when I got it, and was being "retired."  Instead of throwing it away (the actual definition of "retired" hardware at that company), I took it home.  I bought a new toner cartridge for it, and it's been working perfectly ever since.

My wife got a used Brother All-In-One Color Laser Printer/Scanner/Fax unit from a friend four years ago, and it's been nothing but trouble.
 
2021-10-17 10:44:39 AM  

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2021-10-17 10:48:17 AM  
I have a Brother printer that's similar. It just locks up if any one of the ink cartridges runs out. I swear it used to let me print black and white, but I can't seem to do it anymore. I'm not 100% positive, but it feels like that went away after a firmware update...
 
2021-10-17 10:49:11 AM  

Spice Must Flow: More than once I've gone to Best Buy to buy an ink cartridge, then seen a new printer on sale for less than the new ink.


That's because they don't make their money on printers, they make it on ink, and the cartridges that come with the new printers are probably only 1/4 full. It's like the dealer giving your first crack rock for free if you buy a pipe from them.
 
2021-10-17 10:56:37 AM  
This thread is relevant to my interests. My printer is dying. The scanner stopped working and you have to cycle power a few times for it to get through startup without throwing codes and freezing up. I'm definitely going with a laser printer. I've easily spent over $1000 on ink cartridges over the years.
 
2021-10-17 11:08:58 AM  

Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.


The downside: toner is expensive and costs like a million dollars an ounce. Also, my laser printer likes to tell me that I can't print even though it still has plenty of black toner, but apparently the yellow toner has gotten a little low, so no, it's not going to work for me, sorry. Please sell your first-born child for an ounce of yellow toner, then we'll talk about printing those documents in grayscale.

/[gets yellow toner, tries to print again]- ope, looks like you don't have enough cyan. still not gonna print.
 
2021-10-17 11:17:50 AM  

likefunbutnot: Russ1642: I've got a bunch of colour laser prints framed and hanging on the wall. You would probably notice but nobody else would unless they got right up close. And that's from a ten year old printer. If your goal is perfect printing then an inkjet is where it's at, but for everything else a laser printer will do just fine.

I'm pretty serious about photography, to the tune of a Canon R5 with both the 28 - 70 and 70 - 200 RF lenses.  That's about $10,000 just with those three things. Borderless, 100% reproduction is something I demand from prints. Laser printers are never going to provide anything like accurate color reproduction, nor borderless printing, nor large format support. It's one of the few cases where photo-grade inkjets are justified.  I do print just enough to make the high end inkjets I have justified. If I don't have the print volume in a given month, I'll print some 4x6" images and offer them for sale along with whatever large format pictures I happen to have sold that month.

Laser output is always going to be washed out in comparison. I'm not arguing the cost or utility of the color laser process. I advocate for it myself. But if you ACTUALLY need accurate pigments, your options are inkjet or dye sublimation, and dye sub is expensive and rare enough that I don't fark with it.


You can have borderless prints just by cutting the paper after printing. Anyway, I'm certainly not suggesting that print shops switch to lasers for photo printing. I was pointing out that colour laser prints are damn good and that you can print your family photo and hang it on your wall just fine. No need to spend extra money at a print shop for that. Is it the best photo printing you can get? Nope, but it's certainly not worth buying an inkjet for.
 
2021-10-17 11:20:52 AM  
Epson Ecotank. That is all.
 
2021-10-17 11:22:29 AM  

Flowery Twats: F you, Canon.

You used to be cool. My resurrected LJ5 has a Canon engine.

If you can find a refurb or used LJ5, buy it.  Built like a tank, millions sold = cheap easily available parts and toner carts, reliable operation.


LJ 2 was a beast.  Unstoppable.  Probably still running in some third world office somewhere.
 
2021-10-17 11:23:57 AM  

germ78: Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.

The downside: toner is expensive and costs like a million dollars an ounce. Also, my laser printer likes to tell me that I can't print even though it still has plenty of black toner, but apparently the yellow toner has gotten a little low, so no, it's not going to work for me, sorry. Please sell your first-born child for an ounce of yellow toner, then we'll talk about printing those documents in grayscale.

/[gets yellow toner, tries to print again]- ope, looks like you don't have enough cyan. still not gonna print.


Get the cyan, then: "thank you, setting up [drains all colors 'cleaning the heads'.] You're out of yellow again. Also magenta and cyan."
 
2021-10-17 11:27:31 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Epson Ecotank. That is all.


Can it sit unused for months and then print high quality full colour instantly? Remember, some of the problem lies with the technology itself. Inkjets use water-based inks. They dry out easily. Microscopic print nozzles get clogged up. Many people print so seldom now that printers being able to sit around and still work when needed is a huge plus.
 
2021-10-17 11:38:56 AM  

germ78: Merltech: I went to an laser printer. Because it uses toner, it doesn't dry out and do other wonderful pain in the ass things.

The downside: toner is expensive and costs like a million dollars an ounce. Also, my laser printer likes to tell me that I can't print even though it still has plenty of black toner, but apparently the yellow toner has gotten a little low, so no, it's not going to work for me, sorry. Please sell your first-born child for an ounce of yellow toner, then we'll talk about printing those documents in grayscale.

/[gets yellow toner, tries to print again]- ope, looks like you don't have enough cyan. still not gonna print.


I have a HP CP1215 which is over ten years old now and still works great. It will warn if toner is low but you can always click "Print anyway" and it will go ahead.
 
2021-10-17 11:40:33 AM  
Most inkjet printers (especially the cheap ones) use the razor blade model. Sell the printer at a loss, then make up for the loss by vendor locking the consumer into ridiculous priced ink cartridges. I think Canon must have realized people were printing less and came up with a novel way to keep the ink revenue flowing. My Canon MP990 insisted on doing self-cleaning cycles pretty much every time it was powered up or awakened from a low power state. Occasionally it would even decide to do one in the middle of a multi-page print cycle, as if a clogged head wouldn't be completely obvious to the user at that point. It would also usually run a cleaning cycle immediately after swapping out an empty cartridge, so that you'd lose a good bit of ink right from the get-go. Being a 6-cartridge system, there was a very good chance that another cartridge would run out during the cleaning cycle, leading to user to another cartridge swap and yet another cleaning cycle. For those non-inkjet owners, print head cleaning cycles use A LOT of ink. My printer's ultimate cause of death was the waste ink reservoir getting full. Shut the farker right down. No scanning or faxing was possible. Just an error message. Sure, I could have taken it apart, emptied out the reservoir and reset the fault, but I always hated it because of the amount of ink it wasted. I seriously considered an Office Space reenactment when it died.
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2021-10-17 11:44:32 AM  

Russ1642: Sexy Jesus: Epson Ecotank. That is all.

Can it sit unused for months and then print high quality full colour instantly? Remember, some of the problem lies with the technology itself. Inkjets use water-based inks. They dry out easily. Microscopic print nozzles get clogged up. Many people print so seldom now that printers being able to sit around and still work when needed is a huge plus.


I haven't had any problems, but I've only had mine a few months. I mostly print with a Laserjet though so the Epson definitely sits a long time between print jobs but there aren't any missing colors, streaks, or bands in the resulting printouts. I know for sure my old Canon would have burned through a color or two by now, but the Epson tanks are still close to full. Again, it's still fairly new though.
 
2021-10-17 11:57:06 AM  

germ78: The downside: toner is expensive and costs like a million dollars an ounce. Also, my laser printer likes to tell me that I can't print even though it still has plenty of black toner, but apparently the yellow toner has gotten a little low, so no, it's not going to work for me, sorry. Please sell your first-born child for an ounce of yellow toner, then we'll talk about printing those documents in grayscale.


They use yellow for the government tracking dots. It's an essential feature.
 
2021-10-17 12:07:28 PM  

Boudyro: I went black and white laser printer (Samsung) in the early 00's and it's been a beast. I only consistently use it to print a database checklist of around nine pages every week, then the occasional random things.

At nearly 20 years old it's on its 5th or 6th toner cartridge. In the printer's advanced age its only malfunction is a few small unimportant streaks, and the rubber grabber wheel for the letter-sized only paper tray has worn to the point it no longer grabs - forcing me to use the flip out feeder usually reserved for legal size.


That's hilarious - I have exactly the same situation, a Samsung ML-1210 I bought in 2002. It has feeding problems and imperfections on the roller, but I'm probably only on my 4th toner cartridge in nearly 20 years.

I thought Windows 10 would finally force me to replace it but Samsung's generic driver works fine despite not specifically supporting that model any more.
 
2021-10-17 12:21:06 PM  

Boudyro: Izunbacol: Ink jets are the ultimate Vimes Boots Theory garbage.  I bought a laser printer in 2010 and never looked back.

Ok, I kinda looked back... I wish it had Wi-Fi printing and a better interface display, but I'm not going to buy just a new printer while the current one works.

I went black and white laser printer (Samsung) in the early 00's and it's been a beast. I only consistently use it to print a database checklist of around nine pages every week, then the occasional random things.

At nearly 20 years old it's on its 5th or 6th toner cartridge. In the printer's advanced age its only malfunction is a few small unimportant streaks, and the rubber grabber wheel for the letter-sized only paper tray has worn to the point it no longer grabs - forcing me to use the flip out feeder usually reserved for legal size.

The only other problem it has is the plastic extension on that flip-out feeder has been snapped clean off by a curious kitty trying to perch on it when I wasn't looking. It's also a network printer that hasn't network printed in nearly a decade because Samsung abandoned software support for it. I've been using generic laser printer driver for a while.

I am probably going to replace the entire printer when the toner cartridge dies. Because last I checked replacing/refilling the cartridge won't be worth it. It will be cheaper to buy a newer, better-supported machine than to fight to keep the old one working.

My client uses a larger HP laser model that's even older than my Samsung. It's a frigging tank.


The older HP laser printers simply refuse to stop working. I used to re-sell them 20 years ago, and those and the REALLY old Okidata printers were in high demand. The Okidata can print on a 3 layer carbon page, and those are/were(?) used at just about every shop you can imagine back then.....
 
2021-10-17 12:21:09 PM  
I use a networked Canon multifunction color laser printer. It works well enough, though does have some quirks. It prints and scans full duplex, too. I can't beat the networking, since I have quite a few PCs and devices that need to print on my home LAN. This printer also handles iOS and Android printing.

Back in the day before I moved to laser, I had Epson with aftermarket ink tanks, but Epson had end-of-life periods built into their firmware. Assholes.

I moved to HP inkjets, only because I could get free ink from work (I worked for HP at the time), but infrequent use is a curse on inkjets, and HP was particularly bad.
 
2021-10-17 12:31:49 PM  

Russ1642: likefunbutnot: Russ1642: I've got a bunch of colour laser prints framed and hanging on the wall. You would probably notice but nobody else would unless they got right up close. And that's from a ten year old printer. If your goal is perfect printing then an inkjet is where it's at, but for everything else a laser printer will do just fine.

I'm pretty serious about photography, to the tune of a Canon R5 with both the 28 - 70 and 70 - 200 RF lenses.  That's about $10,000 just with those three things. Borderless, 100% reproduction is something I demand from prints. Laser printers are never going to provide anything like accurate color reproduction, nor borderless printing, nor large format support. It's one of the few cases where photo-grade inkjets are justified.  I do print just enough to make the high end inkjets I have justified. If I don't have the print volume in a given month, I'll print some 4x6" images and offer them for sale along with whatever large format pictures I happen to have sold that month.

Laser output is always going to be washed out in comparison. I'm not arguing the cost or utility of the color laser process. I advocate for it myself. But if you ACTUALLY need accurate pigments, your options are inkjet or dye sublimation, and dye sub is expensive and rare enough that I don't fark with it.

You can have borderless prints just by cutting the paper after printing. Anyway, I'm certainly not suggesting that print shops switch to lasers for photo printing. I was pointing out that colour laser prints are damn good and that you can print your family photo and hang it on your wall just fine. No need to spend extra money at a print shop for that. Is it the best photo printing you can get? Nope, but it's certainly not worth buying an inkjet for.


If you are printing things that you can justify $50/sheet for, you're probably not messing with cutting edges off. Large format is an exotic need, yes, but it's definitely a valid reason.you want an inkjet.
 
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