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2021-10-16 10:25:09 PM  
My local's meeting is tomorrow. Looking forward to the details.
 
2021-10-16 10:54:15 PM  
Here I was all ready to watch nothing.
 
2021-10-16 11:13:11 PM  

Firm Tautology: Here I was all ready to watch nothing.


I mean, you could still subscribe to Peakcock Now?
 
2021-10-16 11:23:35 PM  
Deadlines spur action
 
2021-10-16 11:32:24 PM  
You paid dat man his money. Which is good, because Boris was getting very pissed of.
 
2021-10-17 12:21:55 AM  
That answers the question "Are we working on Monday?"

(Sunday could have been a walk-away-and-lock-the-doors-behind-yo​u call)
 
2021-10-17 1:20:51 AM  
Hey, Good jorb.
 
2021-10-17 1:55:06 AM  
Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.
 
2021-10-17 2:44:30 AM  
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2021-10-17 3:09:01 AM  
Because it was never about the strike, and it was always about the press declaring a strike would get.  The protections are already in place, and the business center for a majority of these companies is easily one of the most employee friendly states in the nation.  This was a public microscope rather than a private investigation.
 
2021-10-17 3:17:31 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Because it was never about the strike, and it was always about the press declaring a strike would get.  The protections are already in place, and the business center for a majority of these companies is easily one of the most employee friendly states in the nation.  This was a public microscope rather than a private investigation.


Those are certainly a lot of words.
 
2021-10-17 3:29:49 AM  

BafflerMeal: Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.


You'd need to pass some laws or construct a hive mind. Some stupid states, like mine, decided you can be in a union and not pay dues, thus bleeding the union dry by apathy members.
 
2021-10-17 5:32:30 AM  
I'm in the industry and the scuttlebutt of this outcome is a loooooot of people unhappy with it that feel pretty emboldened moving forward.
 
2021-10-17 5:52:07 AM  
After hearing the reaction from my industry friends, I wouldn't be too surprised if the strike is still on. This isn't a great deal.
 
2021-10-17 6:17:12 AM  
Cool, hope more people start to unionize, places like Walmart and Amazon with unions would be awesome. Just sucks amazon killed that union push in Alabama iirc.
 
2021-10-17 6:17:17 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: The protections are already in place


Narrator: But the protections were not in place, which is why a strike was voted on, and ready to go ahead.
FTFA:
'Some' of the terms agreed:
• Living wage achieved
• Improved wages and working conditions for streaming
• Retroactive scale wage Increases of 3% annually
• Employer Funded Benefits for the term
• Increased meal period penalties including prevailing rate
• Daily Rest Periods of 10 hours without exclusions
• Weekend Rest Periods of 54 and 32 hours
• Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday Holiday
• Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Initiatives
• 13th and 14th checks for pre-August 2009 retirees
• Additional MPI Hours for On-Call Employees
• Expansion of Sick Leave Benefit to the entire country

If every employee already had these benefits, then why were they voting to strike?
 
2021-10-17 6:37:46 AM  

DrowningLessons: I'm in the industry and the scuttlebutt of this outcome is a loooooot of people unhappy with it that feel pretty emboldened moving forward.


And what does that mean?
 
2021-10-17 7:56:29 AM  

BafflerMeal: DrowningLessons: I'm in the industry and the scuttlebutt of this outcome is a loooooot of people unhappy with it that feel pretty emboldened moving forward.

And what does that mean?


It means all the comments we are seeing from the union members indicate they are not happy with the proposed contract and will be voting no on ratification. The likes and loves on the announcement outnumber the negative comments about 10 to 1, but the vote no comments are 99% of the comments being made.
 
2021-10-17 7:56:57 AM  

groppet: Cool, hope more people start to unionize, places like Walmart and Amazon with unions would be awesome. Just sucks amazon killed that union push in Alabama iirc.


Walmart will not unionize. They've demonstrated a willingness to close rather than do so. Your little store in bumblefark votes to unionize? And it's gone. Not the actual building. Walmart will hold on to that so no other big box store can move in.
 
2021-10-17 8:48:25 AM  
Watching a story about it on NBC, they warned that a strike would mean stopping productions on shows such as La Brea.
 
2021-10-17 9:18:12 AM  
Working Americans: This iron won't stay hot long - you'd better strike that motherf**ker with everything you've got.
Chances to get a little piece of the Owner's pie don't come along often - don't blow it.
 
2021-10-17 9:43:51 AM  

TheManofPA: Firm Tautology: Here I was all ready to watch nothing.

I mean, you could still subscribe to Peakcock Now?


Yellowstone is a good series, worth it in my opinion
 
2021-10-17 9:53:37 AM  

BafflerMeal: DrowningLessons: I'm in the industry and the scuttlebutt of this outcome is a loooooot of people unhappy with it that feel pretty emboldened moving forward.

And what does that mean?


This 'agreement' isn't official until the members of the union vote on whether or not they want to accept it, or strike.

There was a tentative agreement between the union negotiators and John Deere, too, but the rest of the union went "Nope that's garbage" and voted to strike.
 
2021-10-17 10:12:59 AM  
At least it isn't like the hotel works union in Los Angeles fighting for their members to be paid below minimum wage. Yes, you read that correctly

Hopefully things work out for the workers.  Unfortunately US unions tend to shoot themselves in the foot.
 
2021-10-17 10:15:55 AM  
Well, that's a relief.  I was worried I would have to watch shows on the family Plex server that I hadn't seen in their original run on TV.
 
2021-10-17 11:23:25 AM  
Based on all the stories I've been reading about the garbage these people go through it sure seemed to me like they needed to go on strike, at least for a few weeks to put some pain on the producers. Maybe that'll still happen.
 
2021-10-17 12:06:08 PM  

CarnySaur: Watching a story about it on NBC, they warned that a strike would mean stopping productions on shows such as La Brea.


oh no!
 
2021-10-17 12:43:35 PM  

BafflerMeal: Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.


Fix Police Unions, and maybe we will.
 
2021-10-17 1:33:09 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: DeathByGeekSquad: The protections are already in place

Narrator: But the protections were not in place, which is why a strike was voted on, and ready to go ahead.
FTFA:
'Some' of the terms agreed:
• Living wage achieved
• Improved wages and working conditions for streaming
• Retroactive scale wage Increases of 3% annually
• Employer Funded Benefits for the term
• Increased meal period penalties including prevailing rate
• Daily Rest Periods of 10 hours without exclusions
• Weekend Rest Periods of 54 and 32 hours
• Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday Holiday
• Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Initiatives
• 13th and 14th checks for pre-August 2009 retirees
• Additional MPI Hours for On-Call Employees
• Expansion of Sick Leave Benefit to the entire country

If every employee already had these benefits, then why were they voting to strike?


12 hour rest and residuals I think. Some have said this is good, some say they want more, some are waiting to read it and see if there's a catch.

The vote is supposedly not gonna be soon which is really interesting.
 
2021-10-17 1:49:56 PM  
My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.
 
2021-10-17 2:11:01 PM  

thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.


I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.
 
2021-10-17 2:11:48 PM  

eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.


Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.
 
2021-10-17 3:01:24 PM  

jso2897: Working Americans: This iron won't stay hot long - you'd better strike that motherf**ker with everything you've got.
Chances to get a little piece of the Owner's pie don't come along often - don't blow it.


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"I'm taking these pennies back, I'm taking them ALL back!"
 
2021-10-17 3:18:09 PM  
Isn't it a bit ironic that they can strike a deal to avoid a strike?
 
2021-10-17 4:40:15 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: After hearing the reaction from my industry friends, I wouldn't be too surprised if the strike is still on. This isn't a great deal.


This is what I heard, too. How is that even possible? Fifty thousand people voted to strike. How do you end up not making off like a bandit after that?
 
2021-10-17 4:44:26 PM  

eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.


Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.
 
2021-10-17 5:05:53 PM  

jclaggett: BafflerMeal: Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.

Fix Police Unions, and maybe we will.


And teacher's unions. And the UAW. And public sector employee unions.

/Spent a lifetime in the public education sector.
//Family is about a third with GM and Ford and another third in public service.
///Glad the teamsters are at least pretending to let Mexican nationals in.
 
2021-10-17 5:39:04 PM  

luidprand: jclaggett: BafflerMeal: Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.

Fix Police Unions, and maybe we will.

And teacher's unions. And the UAW. And public sector employee unions.

/Spent a lifetime in the public education sector.
//Family is about a third with GM and Ford and another third in public service.
///Glad the teamsters are at least pretending to let Mexican nationals in.


The Problems arise when the Union grows to the Economic size of the businesses they represent, what inevitably happens is the Union then turns into the bureaucracy they were fighting they have to keep expanding to survive because the cost of doing business as a union is so large.  UAW is a prime example of this, What is the Fix? I don't know, maybe force each local to be self sustaining and put a max on what is kicked up to the national level not used for pensions and benefits.  It isn't an easy fix.
 
2021-10-17 7:20:47 PM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: My local's meeting is tomorrow. Looking forward to the details.


In New Orleans they accepted a garbage contract.  Knuckled under like a bunch of pussies.
 
2021-10-17 7:29:19 PM  

thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.


Half of the Squid Game series takes place in one building, and the costume budget is mostly track suits and sneakers. That's not going to be very expensive.
 
2021-10-17 8:02:11 PM  
Good, last time we had a strike in Hollywood, it was the writer's strike, and it ushered in the ers of "Reality" TV, which, ironically enough, is still scripted.
 
2021-10-17 8:29:19 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: DeathByGeekSquad: The protections are already in place

Narrator: But the protections were not in place, which is why a strike was voted on, and ready to go ahead.
FTFA:
'Some' of the terms agreed:
• Living wage achieved
• Improved wages and working conditions for streaming
• Retroactive scale wage Increases of 3% annually
• Employer Funded Benefits for the term
• Increased meal period penalties including prevailing rate
• Daily Rest Periods of 10 hours without exclusions
• Weekend Rest Periods of 54 and 32 hours
• Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday Holiday
• Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Initiatives
• 13th and 14th checks for pre-August 2009 retirees
• Additional MPI Hours for On-Call Employees
• Expansion of Sick Leave Benefit to the entire country

If every employee already had these benefits, then why were they voting to strike?


Ever read up on AB 5 and the FLSA/Entertainment Industry Exemptions?  The first stop should be a lawyer specializing in labor law.  The unions are taking the stance that the individuals under a CBA are not an employee, nor are they an independent contractor (because they'd fail the test in CA), and thus only capable of being provided protections under their contracts.
 
2021-10-17 8:43:39 PM  

thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.


Yeah I skip any foreign language show like squid game. I'm not watching TV to read, and I'm not listening to those terribly unsynced English dub shows. I hear that Dark show is pretty good. I'll never know though cause I'm not watching that shiat. And squid game looks stupid, not sure why people even watched that.
 
2021-10-17 9:07:50 PM  

Tom_Slick: luidprand: jclaggett: BafflerMeal: Good.  Now let's grow positive union support back into the general public again.

Fix Police Unions, and maybe we will.

And teacher's unions. And the UAW. And public sector employee unions.

/Spent a lifetime in the public education sector.
//Family is about a third with GM and Ford and another third in public service.
///Glad the teamsters are at least pretending to let Mexican nationals in.

The Problems arise when the Union grows to the Economic size of the businesses they represent, what inevitably happens is the Union then turns into the bureaucracy they were fighting they have to keep expanding to survive because the cost of doing business as a union is so large.  UAW is a prime example of this, What is the Fix? I don't know, maybe force each local to be self sustaining and put a max on what is kicked up to the national level not used for pensions and benefits.  It isn't an easy fix.


Those unions are functional cartels, and, like every cartel, they aren't actually interested in empowering anyone but the leadership. The more power that is concentrated, the more corruption and abuse inevitably sneaks in. Workers need to be able to join whatever union they wish, or none at all, but, if they do, they absolutely shouldn't get the benefit of a union contract. It's theoretically illegal for a company to corner the market on a good or service, and the same rule should apply to all corporate entities - unions, non-profits, religious institutions, and the like.
 
2021-10-17 9:49:30 PM  

Nick-c137: And squid game looks stupid, not sure why people even watched that.


It's entertaining for what it is, but if you've seen Hunger Games, Running Man, Hard Target, or the dozens of other dystopian death sports movies, you know the story.

For some reason, people are acting like the "rich exploiting the poor for their entertainment" overarching subplot is some kind of new thing. Feels like the positive reaction to K-Pop and Parasite have made critics give extra artistic points to Squid Game just based on the fact that it's a South Korean production.

And the characters are so stock that the inevitable English language remake (why else would Netflix buy it if a remake wasn't in the plan?) will only have to change a couple of sentences in their backstories.
 
2021-10-17 9:54:02 PM  

Nick-c137: thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.

Yeah I skip any foreign language show like squid game. I'm not watching TV to read, and I'm not listening to those terribly unsynced English dub shows. I hear that Dark show is pretty good. I'll never know though cause I'm not watching that shiat. And squid game looks stupid, not sure why people even watched that.


To think of all the awesome stuff you've missed out on because of the horror of having to read.
 
2021-10-17 10:34:13 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Nick-c137: thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.

Yeah I skip any foreign language show like squid game. I'm not watching TV to read, and I'm not listening to those terribly unsynced English dub shows. I hear that Dark show is pretty good. I'll never know though cause I'm not watching that shiat. And squid game looks stupid, not sure why people even watched that.

To think of all the awesome stuff you've missed out on because of the horror of having to read.


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2021-10-17 10:51:42 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Nick-c137: thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.

Yeah I skip any foreign language show like squid game. I'm not watching TV to read, and I'm not listening to those terribly unsynced English dub shows. I hear that Dark show is pretty good. I'll never know though cause I'm not watching that shiat. And squid game looks stupid, not sure why people even watched that.

To think of all the awesome stuff you've missed out on because of the horror of having to read.


Counterpoint: 50 shades of gray (also, fark)
 
2021-10-18 12:27:45 AM  

stoli n coke: thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.

Half of the Squid Game series takes place in one building, and the costume budget is mostly track suits and sneakers. That's not going to be very expensive.


Except for a few prestige shows, labor costs - actors and crew - are always the bulk of the budget. (And even Game of Thrones did the costumes on the cheap - the wildlings' fur were Ikea rugs.)

For instance, White Lotus cost $20 million or $3.33 million per episode, and shows don't get much more stripped down than that: small cast, no special effects, no major sets had to be built, no special customs, etc.
 
2021-10-18 12:48:43 AM  

thornhill: stoli n coke: thornhill: eddievercetti: eddievercetti: thornhill: My prediction (which I made about a month ago): The studios are happy to give away a lot to avoid a strike because they're already planning on shifting more production overseas where labor costs are substantial lower. And the success of Squid Game is just going to accelerate this.

I don't think so, we still have prime real estate here with tax and the like, I do expect this to be Netflix's MO though.

Tax breaks I mean and stars wants to stay here for travel reasons.

Foreign countries offer tax breaks too.

Here's the bottom line that I'm sure every studio chief has been talking about for the last month: The entire Squid Game series cost less than $22 million; the marquee shows on streaming services can cost anywhere from $8 million to $25 million **per episode.** Americans care a lot less about English-language dialogue and known actors than we all assume.

Half of the Squid Game series takes place in one building, and the costume budget is mostly track suits and sneakers. That's not going to be very expensive.

Except for a few prestige shows, labor costs - actors and crew - are always the bulk of the budget. (And even Game of Thrones did the costumes on the cheap - the wildlings' fur were Ikea rugs.)

For instance, White Lotus cost $20 million or $3.33 million per episode, and shows don't get much more stripped down than that: small cast, no special effects, no major sets had to be built, no special customs, etc.


Wonder what the actual hotel was charging.
 
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