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2021-10-16 11:51:41 PM  
When the PPB threw its tantrum they stopped enforcing traffic laws at all. The fact that accident rate haven't gone through the damned roof tells me people are better drivers than I imagined.
 
2021-10-16 11:54:39 PM  
A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.
 
2021-10-16 11:57:46 PM  
Makes sense. FTP. ACAB.
 
2021-10-16 11:59:03 PM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.


I remember a few years ago there was a story on fark where the cops wanted to pull a guy over and said the reason for it was that he was weaving.

The guy's lawyer went out and spent the day recording cops driving around and after seeing it the judge dismissed the case.
 
2021-10-17 12:04:40 AM  
Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.
 
2021-10-17 12:04:45 AM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.


I remember reading an article decades ago that spelled out the average American is guilty of at least one offence that carries a 5 year sentence if law enforcement has the motivation to examine you long enough.
 
2021-10-17 12:06:23 AM  

Ghastly: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.

I remember reading an article decades ago that spelled out the average American is guilty of at least one offence that carries a 5 year sentence if law enforcement has the motivation to examine you long enough.


Only 5? Pfft. Amateur.
 
2021-10-17 12:15:31 AM  
Don't worry.  "He's got a gun!" will still work.
 
2021-10-17 12:16:54 AM  
If I had to redesign everything, one way I would do it is to set up a system that sends notices to people with tail light problems, etc. Small fines and receipts for getting it repaired, etc. And if they don't, well, get it from them on their next inspection or registration.

There are ways to keep control but be less intrusive.
 
2021-10-17 12:18:44 AM  

TheReject: have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities,


Just knowing you are being followed by a cop will make you nervous.  And a nervous person is more likely to make a tiny mistake.  That's what the cop is counting on.

The last time it was obvious a cop was following me for that opportunity, I pulled into a fast food joint, parked and went inside for a soda.  I wasn't in any hurry and the time I spent inside was less than the anal probe time I would have expected from a cop trying to meet his quota.
 
2021-10-17 12:18:57 AM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.


Back in high school, a cop followed one of my friends for miles.  After miles of perfect driving, the cop pulled him over to "congratulate" him and give him a pair of movie tickets.  Obviously so he could look in the truck and sniff for the devil's weed.  My friend's not black or brown but he was a long-haired kid driving a brand new truck.  No way could some greasy long-hair afford that veehickle.
 
2021-10-17 12:21:02 AM  

2fardownthread: If I had to redesign everything, one way I would do it is to set up a system that sends notices to people with tail light problems, etc. Small fines and receipts for getting it repaired, etc. And if they don't, well, get it from them on their next inspection or registration.


Why does there need to be a fine for a busted tail light? I remember getting pulled over for exactly that.  I held up the replacement bulb I had just bought not 10 minutes before.  I was literally on my way home from the parts store.
 
2021-10-17 12:21:03 AM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"


The best part is that even white guys like me will benefit from these reforms.
 
2021-10-17 12:22:16 AM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"


Streets of Philadelphia, Kensington Ave Story, "Highlight" For the months , 2021.
Youtube 7s6A5viP6pE


This is what happens when you "don't sweat the small stuff."
 
2021-10-17 12:24:00 AM  

Alien Robot: This is what happens when you "don't sweat the small stuff."


Public drug use doesn't fall under "small stuff".  You are using typical scaremonger tactic.  It's pathetically obvious.
 
Juc
2021-10-17 12:24:34 AM  

anuran: When the PPB threw its tantrum they stopped enforcing traffic laws at all. The fact that accident rate haven't gone through the damned roof tells me people are better drivers than I imagined.


little surprised by that.
do they just take the license plate number and then mail them a thing saying they had a broken blinker or whatever instead?
figure the city would at least be cranky about any source of revenue drying up.
 
2021-10-17 12:28:52 AM  
Where I live there's a HUGE problem with bad driving, but it's probably better addressed by putting curb bump-outs everywhere. We'd probably still need some enforcement to make drivers take stop lights seriously, though.
 
2021-10-17 12:32:28 AM  

phaseolus: Where I live there's a HUGE problem with bad driving,


One of the more serious crimes in my town is teenagers doing donuts in mom's minvan right after it rains.
 
2021-10-17 12:36:35 AM  

OgreMagi: phaseolus: Where I live there's a HUGE problem with bad driving,

One of the more serious crimes in my town is teenagers doing donuts in mom's minvan right after it rains.


Yeah. All those teenagers ... having farking fun. Can't have that. They need to be indoctrinated to be buzz killingtons and go back to their middle class ennui lest they have a giggle, mate.

I got a reckless op ticket in my youth for doing donuts in the snow in an empty parking lot. $750 later and $350 to get my car out of impound for doing something where nobody was hurt, no property was damaged, and the risk was entirely borne by myself and my own car.

I feel like this world just wants to dick punch everyone until they are in compliance.
 
2021-10-17 12:37:14 AM  

El_Dan: Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.


I've seen that for years.  I assume they're saving the visible stuff for PC when they want an excuse to pull them over later.  I see plates that expired years ago and temp tags that expired months ago.  Busted tail lights, cracked windshields, front and/or rear end held together with tape and bungee cords.
 
2021-10-17 12:38:52 AM  
Now instead of traffic court, they just force you to attend Eagles games.
 
2021-10-17 12:44:49 AM  
I was going to object.  Then I read to the end of the article and saw the things they were calling minor.  Turns out it really is the "minor" stuff -- a bunch of registration related infractions that poses no danger whatsoever to other drivers on the road.

No objections here.
 
2021-10-17 12:48:49 AM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: OgreMagi: phaseolus: Where I live there's a HUGE problem with bad driving,

One of the more serious crimes in my town is teenagers doing donuts in mom's minvan right after it rains.

Yeah. All those teenagers ... having farking fun. Can't have that. They need to be indoctrinated to be buzz killingtons and go back to their middle class ennui lest they have a giggle, mate.


Those kids will become the climate deniers of tomorrow if we allow this sort of disobedience to go unanswered.
 
2021-10-17 12:54:45 AM  

El_Dan: Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.


Not Texas. My tags were expired not even a week and I was pulled over
 
2021-10-17 1:00:00 AM  
They already did this in Portland. Don't ask how it's turning out.
 
2021-10-17 1:04:30 AM  
I'll wait for the spike in hit and run, non insured motorist accidents, and "why was this car on the road in the first place?" Breakdowns causing wrecks on the highway.
 
2021-10-17 1:26:45 AM  

TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"


Sounds like they're still gonna sweat it, just sending citations by mail instead of handing them out in person.
 
2021-10-17 2:06:09 AM  
Philly has a reputation for bad drivers, some of them need to be pulled over.  Drive on the Schuylkill and try to tell me otherwise.
 
2021-10-17 2:07:28 AM  

Ghastly: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I have seen multiple articles with cops freely admitting that if they follow you long enough, they'll see something that justifies a stop, as per current law or regulation. It has definitely been disproportionately used against minorities, and it's a waste of everyone's time, money, and in many cases, freedom to make a minor mistake.

I remember reading an article decades ago that spelled out the average American is guilty of at least one offence that carries a 5 year sentence if law enforcement has the motivation to examine you long enough.


3 Felonies a Day is the title of a book about how there's so many federal crimes you can't actually be a law abiding citizen.

Hell, public nudity laws make you a criminal.  You specifically, but the rest of us also just for being born.
 
2021-10-17 2:31:20 AM  

Abox: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

Sounds like they're still gonna sweat it, just sending citations by mail instead of handing them out in person.


Well at least the Mail won't shoot a minority cause they feel they weren't being respectful enough, then plant a gun/drugs afterwards and have the body cam conveniently malfunction during the whole thing.
 
2021-10-17 3:41:03 AM  

OgreMagi: 2fardownthread: If I had to redesign everything, one way I would do it is to set up a system that sends notices to people with tail light problems, etc. Small fines and receipts for getting it repaired, etc. And if they don't, well, get it from them on their next inspection or registration.

Why does there need to be a fine for a busted tail light? I remember getting pulled over for exactly that.  I held up the replacement bulb I had just bought not 10 minutes before.  I was literally on my way home from the parts store.


Because not everyone is on the way back from the store with a replacement, and driving with broken lights increases the amount of accidents when visibility is low.

In your case the cop should have waved you on, seeing how you were obviously getting it fixed. But other people are comfortable just driving around with a broken light and need some external motivation.
 
2021-10-17 3:45:22 AM  

Smoking GNU: Abox: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

Sounds like they're still gonna sweat it, just sending citations by mail instead of handing them out in person.

Well at least the Mail won't shoot a minority cause they feel they weren't being respectful enough, then plant a gun/drugs afterwards and have the body cam conveniently malfunction during the whole thing.


Never mind the original need for cops was to stop lynch mob justice
 
2021-10-17 4:43:27 AM  

Juc: anuran: When the PPB threw its tantrum they stopped enforcing traffic laws at all. The fact that accident rate haven't gone through the damned roof tells me people are better drivers than I imagined.

little surprised by that.
do they just take the license plate number and then mail them a thing saying they had a broken blinker or whatever instead?
figure the city would at least be cranky about any source of revenue drying up.


Nope! They completely disbanded the Traffic Enforcement division. Last accident I was a witness at the Filth refused to take a report even though someone had to be transported to the hospital. Their stated policy is not to enforce. Traffic fines have cratered. PBOT and ODOT can't plan effectively because they don't have good information about accidents, speeding etc. within Portland. But the Goon Squad got a little extra in their budget.
 
2021-10-17 6:18:49 AM  
The thing with this decision is that it shouldn't happen. Cars should be pulled over for minor violations that could reveal something worse; a car continuously weaving is probably a drunk driver.

However, this decision exists because some societies have reached a point where they could not ask the police to behave, not pick on certain profiles or outright murder people. The also could TELL them to stop it.
So to minimize the damage, some societies are removing small infraction stops, for the sole reason that they can't control nor trust the police any more.
 
2021-10-17 6:28:07 AM  

Juc: anuran: When the PPB threw its tantrum they stopped enforcing traffic laws at all. The fact that accident rate haven't gone through the damned roof tells me people are better drivers than I imagined.

little surprised by that.
do they just take the license plate number and then mail them a thing saying they had a broken blinker or whatever instead?
figure the city would at least be cranky about any source of revenue drying up.


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TFA: Secondary violations citations are issued to drivers by mail, eliminating the need for a low-level traffic stop, which is a tactic commonly used as a pretext to stop and search drivers.

So this just ends the pretense that ticky-tack stops aren't about revenue. The Man figures they can get their money without running the risk of a revenue source dying expensively.
 
2021-10-17 6:35:14 AM  
Connecticut State Police stopped doing that a year ago when the pandemic started, so Hartford was the "first city" subby.
https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-p​o​l-police-accountability-traffic-stops-​20210811-l5udihgdqfd4xcwkqmuyc4i7n4-st​ory.html?outputType=amp
 
2021-10-17 7:23:16 AM  

El_Dan: Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.


I'm doin' a hundred on the highway
So if you do the speed limit, get the fark outta my way
I'm D.U.I. hardly ever caught sober
And you about to get ran the fark over
 
2021-10-17 7:27:36 AM  
Philadelphia has traffic laws?  Wouldn't have guessed it from my time living there.

The only general rule I saw consistently being observed is, "Thou must slam on thine brakes on the on-ramp to I-76 while the guy behind you is accelerating to match the highway traffic speed while looking in his mirror to check the traffic speed thus ensuring he almost slams into the back of thou."  I saw that one almost every day and almost hit a few idiots myself.  Why does everyone stop on the on-ramp in that city?  In California that would get you shot.

I also frequently saw what my wife and I now refer to as the "Philadelphia U-turn."  It describes someone who is traveling along in front of you and then all of a sudden, unpredictably and sometimes even without so much as tapping their brakes, flips a U-turn in the middle of a road at a place that they should definitely not be doing that and starts driving the other way.  Maybe there are a lot of spies in Philadelphia and they are trying to lose whoever is tracking them.
 
2021-10-17 7:28:53 AM  
Philthydeathia
 
2021-10-17 7:42:01 AM  
So Philadelphia is really looking after people of color, because, as TFA brings up repeatedly, these traffic stops are getting people killed by cops. It must be true because they keep repeating it.

Oh wait, there were 356 homicides there in 2019 and 499 in 2020.

WAIT...oh shiat....Philly has much bigger problems.  Could it be that getting cops to back off contributed to 143 more homicides in 2020? And how many of those crimes were solved?

Oh well. Dead bodies don't complain. 500 people is just a statistic.
 
2021-10-17 8:14:31 AM  

TuckFrump: El_Dan: Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.

Not Texas. My tags were expired not even a week and I was pulled over


When I was in Texas two years ago I saw what I swear was at least a dozen cars with expired temp plates.  And some weren't even close.  Like I was there for Thanksgiving and I swear one of the cars the temp plates that expired in July.
 
2021-10-17 8:17:07 AM  

El_Dan: Where I live, they seemingly stopped enforcing minor traffic offenses over a year ago. You can now drive around with expired tags, expired temp plates, or just no license plate at all. Haven't seen anyone pulled over lately for speeding either, and it definitely shows in the way people are driving. Their truth is that the rules don't apply to them and the cops are no longer willing or able to deal with it.


And nothing happened after that.

It's almost as if their claim of "$afety" has been bullshiat the entire time.
 
2021-10-17 8:18:52 AM  

2fardownthread: If I had to redesign everything, one way I would do it is to set up a system that sends notices to people with tail light problems, etc. Small fines and receipts for getting it repaired, etc.


My local police do this. "Fix it" tickets are dismissed (fed into a shredder) if you come back within 10 days to show its repaired.*

*offer not valid if they hate you and are harassing you on purpose.
 
2021-10-17 8:21:05 AM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: non insured motorist accidents


That's why you carry UI coverage.
 
2021-10-17 8:21:13 AM  
If the state wishes to stop enforcing offenses... should they not repeal the laws making them offenses in the first place?
 
2021-10-17 8:21:16 AM  
The idea behind it is sound, minor traffic infractions really aren't a big deal. But making it about black people is just farking weird.
 
2021-10-17 8:36:03 AM  

anuran: When the PPB threw its tantrum they stopped enforcing traffic laws at all. The fact that accident rate haven't gone through the damned roof tells me people are better drivers than I imagined.


Actually, you're right, the accident rate went down, but traffic deaths skyrocketed.  From 2019 to 2020, there was a 78% increase in traffic deaths in Philadelphia. (83 in 2019 and 156 in 2020 which was the highest in over 20 years) But there was one outlier which was Roosevelt boulevard which installed speed cameras.  After getting a $100 ticket in the mail with a picture of your vehicle, people tended to start slowing down.
 
2021-10-17 8:45:00 AM  

werbito: If the state wishes to stop enforcing offenses... should they not repeal the laws making them offenses in the first place?


You think the suits are just going to walk away from revenue? Adorable.
 
2021-10-17 9:10:33 AM  

Alien Robot: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/7s6A5viP​6pE]

This is what happens when you "don't sweat the small stuff."


Some obsessed asshole makes 100 videos about Kensington Avenue?
 
2021-10-17 9:24:49 AM  

Smoking GNU: Abox: TheReject: A tactic historically known as "Don't sweat the small stuff"

Sounds like they're still gonna sweat it, just sending citations by mail instead of handing them out in person.

Well at least the Mail won't shoot a minority cause they feel they weren't being respectful enough, then plant a gun/drugs afterwards and have the body cam conveniently malfunction during the whole thing.


That's true but a lot of the violent encounters are with people with warrants and those people will certainly continue to be pulled over once SCMODS is run.
 
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