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(MSN)   You have asthma and an autoimmune disease, an adult daughter at home, and an $80,000 job with a vaccine mandate. Do you get the vaccine, or do you quit your job, buy a trailer and move to Florida, leaving your daughter to couch surf?   (msn.com) divider line
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2021-10-16 6:17:50 PM  
She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.
 
2021-10-16 6:43:50 PM  

Lsherm: I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that.


Fine, I'll take the job.
 
2021-10-16 6:58:33 PM  
Good, [redacted word], get the f*ck out of Oregon and go die somewhere.
 
2021-10-16 7:03:48 PM  

Lsherm: I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


I work a few people from former soviet states and haven't heard anything.
if I put up with the TSA grabbing my junk at the airport after being forced to show my ID, or being forced to show proof of age to buy alcohol or stop at red lights I don't think showing my vaccine card is that invasive. maybe I am indoctrinated though.
 
2021-10-16 7:08:25 PM  
"I give 23 years of my life and now it's, 'Bye?' And now I'm nothing?" said Hicks, 54. "That hurts."

Nothing?! Don't give yourself so much credit, DICK NUTS.

Nothing is a void. A vacuum. Absent.

You're WORSE than nothing. You're a NEGATIVE TO SOCIETY. We'd be better off if you were DEAD.
 
2021-10-16 7:10:40 PM  
Sanders is Catholic, and even though the Vatican has said it's "morally acceptable" to get the vaccines, she personally doesn't agree.

Oh, so you're a heretic? F*ck off and die.
 
2021-10-16 7:12:08 PM  
"I'm on the borderline of being bullied," she said.

Shut Up Bitch (The Rock)
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2021-10-16 7:17:47 PM  

chucknasty: maybe I am indoctrinated though.


I think the point is that they WERE indoctrinated, so they think they recognize indoctrination overreach. I was sympathetic to him, because he presented his argument well. I just didn't agree with it.

Somacandra: Fine, I'll take the job.


OK, we need an AI expert who can write machine learning models for any manner of research. Must also have solid skills in virtualization, containerization, directory engineering, programming in Python, Perl, C, C+, Java, and Node.js. Just for good measure, you must also be an electrical engineer to help out the program that produces their own chips to test all of the aforementioned. Cover all that, and we're good.

He was one of a kind, I really hated losing him. It was one of the reasons I left the job. Not because I'm antivax - I am SUPER PRO VAX - but because he was impossible to replace, and the job wasn't going to be the same without him. We only had 12 people on the team, and of those, only six were really productive. It was a big loss because he filled random niches. I'm gone, but they'll probably have to hire three or four people to cover his spread.
 
2021-10-16 7:47:37 PM  
All three of those interviewed are being kicked to the curb because they're being selfish idiots.  Don't want to be kicked to the curb?  Don't be a selfish idiot.  By not being vaccinated, you're a possible vector for a new variant.  Go cry moar whiny titty babies.
 
2021-10-16 7:57:31 PM  
In the meantime, I'm going to see if SVT qualifies as an underlying condition for the Moderna booster.
 
2021-10-16 8:20:23 PM  
They've spent the past two weeks driving to Florida

Excellent choice.  Please stay.
 
2021-10-16 9:23:14 PM  

Lsherm: I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.


Gee. Nobody tell him about the existing vaccine mandates that have existed for decades for schools and colleges.
 
2021-10-16 9:26:09 PM  

Unobtanium: In the meantime, I'm going to see if SVT qualifies as an underlying condition for the Moderna booster.


When I got my booster, they didn't ask for the reasons I was asking for one.  They just made the appointment.
 
2021-10-16 9:38:00 PM  

Lsherm: She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


I really really really despise people that came to America for a better life and then want to ruin our country.
 
2021-10-16 9:38:53 PM  
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2021-10-16 9:39:28 PM  
I have zero empathy for those selfish Farkwits.
 
2021-10-16 9:41:06 PM  
So her job is open?
 
2021-10-16 9:43:08 PM  
Florida has lots of Russians, she will do well there.
 
2021-10-16 9:44:25 PM  

Lsherm: She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


Former Soviet Bloc citizens seem to be REALLY susceptible to Russian propaganda. My friend's Croatian father is willing to pledge personal undying fealty to Trump because Trump says Biden is a Socialist. Crazy shiat, man.
 
2021-10-16 9:46:17 PM  
I have a feeling many of these companies are secretly thrilled about purging these a-holes from their roster.
 
2021-10-16 9:46:26 PM  
See Florida and die
 
2021-10-16 9:47:40 PM  

Lsherm: She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


Every single one of them that I know has taken the same stance.
 
2021-10-16 9:48:18 PM  
In case you ever asked yourself, "Where do Florida people come from, anyway?"
 
2021-10-16 9:49:18 PM  
Dear Stupid People:

There would be no mandate to get vaccinated if everyone did the correct thing and got vaccinated voluntarily.

The government is reactionary. You are being selfish and willfully ignorant.

Sincerely,

Mr. Lawn
 
2021-10-16 9:49:30 PM  
I wouldn't want an unvaccinated dental hygienist poking around in my mouth.
 
2021-10-16 9:50:04 PM  

darkeyes: I have a feeling many of these companies are secretly thrilled about purging these a-holes from their roster.


These people are usually a giant PITA to work with, but are also usually extremely competent.  It's like firing an autistic kid who's your best calculator because he refused to stop screaming when you had fire drills.  You try to minimize the situations where he will flip out, and when you are forced to let him go, he's replaced by someone who takes twice as long to get the job done, and has a dozen problems instead of just one that you can mostly handle.
 
2021-10-16 9:50:15 PM  
Fire them all. We will deal with the consequences after.
 
2021-10-16 9:50:35 PM  
Comment number says 40. Open thread and 10 comments. Whole bunch of jerk offs.
 
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2021-10-16 9:51:40 PM  
You have to realise that to these people their pride is worth more than all of that.
 
2021-10-16 9:52:22 PM  
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2021-10-16 9:55:39 PM  

Lsherm: I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle.


On lack of principles. Morality. Ethics. Humanity. So there's that. Plague rats don't deserve employment or housing anyway.
 
2021-10-16 9:56:07 PM  
Lol, pharmacists and oddly stupid views: surprisingly common.

/Ex wife is a pharmacist
//Who believes in homeopathy
 
2021-10-16 9:57:49 PM  
Pretending conservatives love their children would be funny, if it weren't such a sick, worthless joke.
 
2021-10-16 9:57:57 PM  
Stay the f*ck out of Florida.

Stop in Alabama instead.
 
2021-10-16 9:59:35 PM  
She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

Yeah, it's just like the Soviet Union.
 
2021-10-16 9:59:50 PM  
Gotta hand it to those cons... theyre willing to die for what they dont believe in.
 
2021-10-16 10:00:46 PM  

SpaceyCat: Unobtanium: In the meantime, I'm going to see if SVT qualifies as an underlying condition for the Moderna booster.

When I got my booster, they didn't ask for the reasons I was asking for one.  They just made the appointment.


They asked me - I just pointed out that I am in one of the at-risk groups.
 
2021-10-16 10:00:58 PM  
I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.

I work with a guy who left the USSR who thinks that anyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a complete dumbass. He probably makes in that ballpark.

/Mind you, he only has one PhD.
 
2021-10-16 10:01:31 PM  
Infect her with polio.
 
2021-10-16 10:01:37 PM  

aerojockey: Lsherm: I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

Gee. Nobody tell him about the existing vaccine mandates that have existed for decades for schools and colleges.


This is all because conservative lawmakers bought stock in an alternative treatment. And we don't address conflicts of interest amongst the powerful.
 
2021-10-16 10:01:55 PM  
Ohhhhh I am not touching this one at all. And I'm still at home. So's are the other characters of my story.
 
2021-10-16 10:02:09 PM  
FTFA: "I always tell people I'd rather go down with COVID than the vaccine," she said. "I realize I could die from COVID, but I would rather have things take their natural course."

A main component of the modern condition is that humanity is locked in a battle against things taking their natural course. We craft boats, dam the rivers, soar in airplanes. We grow and consume far more food than nature would allow.

For most of us, we would never have been born, nor many generations of our families, if nature was allowed to work as it does.
 
2021-10-16 10:02:44 PM  

Lsherm: She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


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2021-10-16 10:04:16 PM  

CitizenReserveCorps: FTFA: "I always tell people I'd rather go down with COVID than the vaccine," she said. "I realize I could die from COVID, but I would rather have things take their natural course."

A main component of the modern condition is that humanity is locked in a battle against things taking their natural course. We craft boats, dam the rivers, soar in airplanes. We grow and consume far more food than nature would allow.

For most of us, we would never have been born, nor many generations of our families, if nature was allowed to work as it does.


Also, people are REALLY bad at assessing risk. How many folks do you know who are terrified of commercial flights but not the drive to the airport?
 
2021-10-16 10:04:38 PM  

RandyJohnson: Comment number says 40. Open thread and 10 comments. Whole bunch of jerk offs.


I pay for dumpster fire fark. I can read all the deleted comments.

It's by invitation only.

I'm not supposed to talk about dumpster fire fark.
 
2021-10-16 10:05:03 PM  
I didn't realize that was an option.
 
2021-10-16 10:07:05 PM  

Lsherm: She said the idea of government telling her what to do reminds her of why, when she was 18, she and her family immigrated to the U.S. from the former Soviet Union.

At my last job a member of my team was from a Soviet Bloc country and he quit because of the same reasoning. He was one of 12 people in the company (out of a total of 4500 employees) who were let go because of the vaccine mandate.

What was maddening is that he WAS vaccinated, but he didn't want to give the company proof of it. He had a very real, visceral reaction to the mandate. He wasn't stupid - he had two PhD's. I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.


My other half has a friend who is dead set against the mandate - not the vaccine, per se, the dude's actually vaccinated - he's just 100% against it being mandated; for any reason.

Well that guy has a couple Russian friends, and those two are extremely adamant about not mandating the COVID vaccine. They often cite the days of yore, under Cold War era communist aggression, when the state could step in and do whatever the f**k it wanted to to a family or individual. So, I can see where there coming from.
Yet these, too, are smart people. But, as I said, they're just dead set against being forced to vaccinate by a government or corporation; they don't like the this must be done or else part.

Bad memories of the era of absolute totalitarian control, probably.
 
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2021-10-16 10:12:35 PM  

Fear the Clam: I'll give him credit, the man walked out on a $180K a year job on principle. Not many people will do that. I wonder how many other people who lived under the old USSR have the same reaction.

I work with a guy who left the USSR who thinks that anyone who doesn't get a vaccine is a complete dumbass. He probably makes in that ballpark.

/Mind you, he only has one PhD.


Mmmhmm.

The US has a plethora of options, there are or were three choices for the vaccine, with two of them approved by the FDA for emergency use (after demonstration through a couple of rounds of clinical trials) in December 2020.  So to now, there were two rounds of clinical trials prior to emergency approval, then a round concurrent with emergency approval combined with significant statistical analysis of those who'd gotten a given vaccine against those that hadn't that demonstrated efficacy, with the final official approval having recently been made, combined with now a couple of rounds of clinical trials of the vaccine for young children and a pending approval for emergency authorization.

At this point the US-distributed vaccines are demonstrated as safe and effective.  Their development was done with all of the haste that could be mustered, but with supervision and testing.  Considering the severity of the disease they're designed to combat they're absolutely wonderful, and anyone refusing at this point is a fool.

The Russian-expat double-PhD is an even bigger fool.
 
2021-10-16 10:13:08 PM  

aerojockey: Lsherm: I was his manager and even explained he could apply for a religious exemption if he really didn't want to offer proof, and he maintained a company should not have the power to dictate medical decisions to its employees.

Gee. Nobody tell him about the existing vaccine mandates that have existed for decades for schools and colleges.


THIS!

This is what is so f***** infuriating, just about every person had to be vaccinated for something at some time. I remember vaccine requirements to attend school, just like there are vaccine requirements to travel to some countries, just like soldiers have been required to take certain vaccines for decades now.

I could almost (not entirely though) accept some resistance if Covid happened 20-30 years ago, nation out of the blue creates a mandate, and the vaccine has known documented horrible side effects. But side effects are minimal, governments had a very valid reason to create mandates, and PEOPLE ARE DYING NOW. I hate people.
 
2021-10-16 10:15:34 PM  
Well, with regards to subby's headline that just depends on how PATRIOTIC you are.
 
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