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2021-10-16 12:26:43 PM  
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2021-10-16 12:28:42 PM  
Both siding allows Republicans to justify their horrible actions, and gives independent voters an excuse to vote for the worst possible candidate.
 
2021-10-16 12:29:24 PM  
Noam Chomsky called, wants to know why Drew's OBVIOUS tag is following him around everywhere he goes, asking if he wants it back...

Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media - Feature Film
Youtube EuwmWnphqII


I mean seriously, how many decades of the exact same thing do we need, before we realize the internet is amplifying the worst tendencies of American media, and not the cosmopolitan information highway that moderate American politicians and corporate figureheads (like Gates) promised the whole world?

Think about how different the pandemic would be if the American internet was not run by American laws and journalism standards, but rather by the BBC's standards, or CBC's and CRTC regulations. Long ago, the vaccines would have been mandated, and QAnon would never have got off the ground, the USA would've been stable, and "moderate" Dems would have been agreeing that  their supermajority in the Senate allows them to ignore that weirdo Manchin.
 
2021-10-16 12:29:31 PM  
But they might lose viewers if they say that the twice impeached ex-president is a liar.

It's all about the bottom line.
 
2021-10-16 12:31:16 PM  
This is a Republican Party that is not serious about governing or addressing the nation's actual problems...
Healthcare costs, child care, climate change, income inequality, you name it - Republicans don't even acknowledge the problems, let alone propose solutions
.

This has been true since Nixon.
 
2021-10-16 12:31:29 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Noam Chomsky called, wants to know why Drew's OBVIOUS tag is following him around everywhere he goes, asking if he wants it back...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/EuwmWnph​qII]

I mean seriously, how many decades of the exact same thing do we need, before we realize the internet is amplifying the worst tendencies of American media, and not the cosmopolitan information highway that moderate American politicians and corporate figureheads (like Gates) promised the whole world?

Think about how different the pandemic would be if the American internet was not run by American laws and journalism standards, but rather by the BBC's standards, or CBC's and CRTC regulations. Long ago, the vaccines would have been mandated, and QAnon would never have got off the ground, the USA would've been stable, and "moderate" Dems would have been agreeing that  their supermajority in the Senate allows them to ignore that weirdo Manchin.


Now you've done it, bringing Chomsky into a Fark thread. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and have been reading his stuff since the late 80's. But even the mere invoking of his name seems to derail any thread.
 
2021-10-16 12:33:16 PM  

Snapper Carr: [Fark user image 850x683]


That was before the "Profits trump all" era of "news" media (heavy sarcastic quotes). Now the truth doesn't matter, only money does.
 
2021-10-16 12:35:27 PM  

Cache: This is a Republican Party that is not serious about governing or addressing the nation's actual problems...
Healthcare costs, child care, climate change, income inequality, you name it - Republicans don't even acknowledge the problems, let alone propose solutions.

This has been true since Nixon.


That's true. The person they learned from betraying their corrupt president and consequently losing the 1974 and 1976 elections was the American public wasn't going to reward them for policing their own, so they might as well stop trying. Look where that got us.
 
2021-10-16 12:40:03 PM  

Pincy: Bennie Crabtree: Noam Chomsky called, wants to know why Drew's OBVIOUS tag is following him around everywhere he goes, asking if he wants it back...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/EuwmWnph​qII]

I mean seriously, how many decades of the exact same thing do we need, before we realize the internet is amplifying the worst tendencies of American media, and not the cosmopolitan information highway that moderate American politicians and corporate figureheads (like Gates) promised the whole world?

Think about how different the pandemic would be if the American internet was not run by American laws and journalism standards, but rather by the BBC's standards, or CBC's and CRTC regulations. Long ago, the vaccines would have been mandated, and QAnon would never have got off the ground, the USA would've been stable, and "moderate" Dems would have been agreeing that  their supermajority in the Senate allows them to ignore that weirdo Manchin.

Now you've done it, bringing Chomsky into a Fark thread. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and have been reading his stuff since the late 80's. But even the mere invoking of his name seems to derail any thread.


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2021-10-16 12:43:47 PM  
Republicans are traitors to America. There's no other side.
 
2021-10-16 12:46:45 PM  
Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.
 
2021-10-16 12:46:54 PM  

Snapper Carr: [Fark user image image 850x683]


"But what if our sales and thus livelihoods depends on us having good relations with the pro-rain people to maintain access?"
 
2021-10-16 12:47:46 PM  
Is this the "I want to punch Chris Cillizza" thread?  Because I really want to punch Chris Cillizza.
 
2021-10-16 12:48:40 PM  

Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.


Well we can guess which side you follow.
 
2021-10-16 12:50:57 PM  
 
2021-10-16 12:53:23 PM  
yeah right and i bet you also think i should get my boss a box of hot cocoa for "happy holiday's thats all one flaver instead of a festive christmas hot cocoa sampler pack.........smh.........
 
2021-10-16 12:56:51 PM  

Kris_Romm: Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.

Well we can guess which side you follow.


Come on.  It's more nuanced than you give them credit.  There are hitler nazis, there are himmler nazis and there are borman nazis.

Some many sides.
 
2021-10-16 12:57:23 PM  
Yes, but have you considered that capitalism exists?
 
2021-10-16 12:58:56 PM  

Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.


Yeah - really makes you miss the dignified, statesman-like speeches we enjoyed from the stable genius with a very good brain. He knew a lot of words - the best words!
 
2021-10-16 1:09:32 PM  
Jackie Calmes makes a valid point. Unfortunately it is a point that will be buried by the for-profit news industry.
 
2021-10-16 1:10:04 PM  

HarveyBrooks: Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.

Yeah - really makes you miss the dignified, statesman-like speeches we enjoyed from the stable genius with a very good brain. He knew a lot of words - the best words!


Words like:

covfefe
hamberder
infantroopen
heroilynn
resaption
herridge
benefishers
proteterd
pivotable

And more! So ... so many more...
 
2021-10-16 1:10:31 PM  
Ok, if we look side to see what is going on then what do we do? And if they are both not right I would fire both of them because I asked if the sun uas up.
 
2021-10-16 1:11:46 PM  

HarveyBrooks: Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.

Yeah - really makes you miss the dignified, statesman-like speeches we enjoyed from the stable genius with a very good brain. He knew a lot of words - the best words!


Excuse me.  Our lord and savior actually called it "a-brain", not "brain".

Proof:

Trump: 'China Has Respect For Trump's Very, Very Large Brain'
Youtube FQgjpnr5e2s


Only the smartest people know it's actually "a-brain"!
 
2021-10-16 1:14:44 PM  

HarveyBrooks: Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.

Yeah - really makes you miss the dignified, statesman-like speeches we enjoyed from the stable genius with a very good brain. He knew a lot of words - the best words!


It makes me miss Obama.
 
2021-10-16 1:19:04 PM  
The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.
 
2021-10-16 1:19:39 PM  

Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.


No he isn't.
 
2021-10-16 1:21:47 PM  

Snapper Carr: [Fark user image image 850x683]


I take it you've never seen anyone argue over whether it's a light rain or a heavy mist
 
2021-10-16 1:26:48 PM  

Kris_Romm: Is this the "I want to punch Chris Cillizza" thread?  Because I really want to punch Chris Cillizza.


You can make every thread that if you want to.  Hell, follow the lead of Cato, who ended every speech he made in the Roman Senate, regardless of topic, with "Carthage must be destroyed."  Just end every post you make with that.
 
2021-10-16 1:28:25 PM  

RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.


https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit​c​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits
 
2021-10-16 1:47:21 PM  

Pincy: Bennie Crabtree: Noam Chomsky called, wants to know why Drew's OBVIOUS tag is following him around everywhere he goes, asking if he wants it back...

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/EuwmWnph​qII]

I mean seriously, how many decades of the exact same thing do we need, before we realize the internet is amplifying the worst tendencies of American media, and not the cosmopolitan information highway that moderate American politicians and corporate figureheads (like Gates) promised the whole world?

Think about how different the pandemic would be if the American internet was not run by American laws and journalism standards, but rather by the BBC's standards, or CBC's and CRTC regulations. Long ago, the vaccines would have been mandated, and QAnon would never have got off the ground, the USA would've been stable, and "moderate" Dems would have been agreeing that  their supermajority in the Senate allows them to ignore that weirdo Manchin.

Now you've done it, bringing Chomsky into a Fark thread. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and have been reading his stuff since the late 80's. But even the mere invoking of his name seems to derail any thread.


I'm not saying I totally forgive him for actively participating in the decades-long right wing campaign to get liberals to voluntarily disenfranchise themselves, thereby ceding control of government at all levels.

But his willingness to openly advocate for voting against Trump did earn him some points.
 
2021-10-16 1:50:36 PM  

Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits


This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.
 
2021-10-16 1:56:51 PM  
Haven't we seen this exact same article about 5,000 times now?
 
2021-10-16 2:09:42 PM  
Fox News, a strongly biased, right-wing propaganda outlet, should be excluded from basic cable packages. I object to the fact that I am compelled to pay for propaganda even at entry level/basic cable access.
 
2021-10-16 2:14:11 PM  

austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.


I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.
 
2021-10-16 2:24:43 PM  

Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.


Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.
 
2021-10-16 2:28:49 PM  
The Presidential debate, which TFG spent shouting about Hunter Biden's emails (rather than what he would do for the American people), should have told you that.
 
2021-10-16 2:30:11 PM  
They seem to think that telling the unvarnished truth will lose them conservative readers and viewers.

Guess what? Those viewers and readers left long ago for a parallel universe where they are told exactly what they want to hear---that China and the globalists are the reason their children never call or visit, and only Donald Trump can fix it.
 
2021-10-16 2:38:41 PM  

Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.

Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.


Pantomime works perfectly well
 
2021-10-16 2:49:05 PM  

Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.

Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.


Maybe.  Its definitely closer than "Theater".
 
2021-10-16 2:52:08 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.

Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.

Pantomime works perfectly well


True.  Panto is a direct Western equivalent of the same kind of theater.

I still don't think "Kabuki theater" is racist, unless someone wants to reverse engineer the insult back to a whole population, but Soap Opera and Pantomime certainly do convey the same aspect of being obvious, undisguised performances.
 
2021-10-16 3:01:48 PM  

Kris_Romm: UndeadPoetsSociety: Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.

Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.

Pantomime works perfectly well

True.  Panto is a direct Western equivalent of the same kind of theater.

I still don't think "Kabuki theater" is racist, unless someone wants to reverse engineer the insult back to a whole population, but Soap Opera and Pantomime certainly do convey the same aspect of being obvious, undisguised performances.


Song and dance?
 
2021-10-16 3:05:53 PM  

Snapper Carr: [Fark user image 850×683]

Similar to the Fallacy of the Golden Middle. If one side says that 2 × 2 = 4 and another says that 2 × 2 = 8, the most likely correct answer is not 6. Sometimes one side is just plain wrong, and the other is just plain right.
 
2021-10-16 3:22:39 PM  
Even in an article about how journalists are failing to report the truth and reflexively defending terrible Republican policies and politicians in a misguided and dishonest appeal to "balance," the author can't help but include this tidbit:

Meanwhile, the scrapping between liberals such as Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and moderate Democratic holdouts Sens. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona over potentially transformative domestic spending proposals reflects the normal debate process.

/facepalm

We're sunk. Journalism isn't ever coming back to America.
 
2021-10-16 3:27:05 PM  
It's the brain rot of news organizations behaving as if the Fairness Doctrine was still a thing despite it definitely not being applicable anymore.
 
2021-10-16 3:34:51 PM  
Hits every nail right in the head.

Read the article.
 
2021-10-16 3:55:37 PM  

austerity101: And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."


It's an idiom from Japanese, not one made up by westerners about them.  Purging the contributions of immigrants to our language is literally the opposite of political correctness, that's some 1984-level doublespeak shiat in the service of white power nonsense about how "our" culture is superior to the culture of other Americans who come from Japanese families.

// I know you knew this, that's basically your whole deal.  Just pointing it out for other people in the thread.
 
2021-10-16 4:59:22 PM  

Kris_Romm: UndeadPoetsSociety: Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Kris_Romm: austerity101: Sarah Jessica Farker: RasIanI: The media have yet to fully process that one political party has 'left the reservation' -- that there are not two governing parties, anymore.

And they do a disservice by framing it as if it where 1988.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitc​h/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-s​omeone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-l​imits

This. There are plenty of other ways to say this.

And can we retire "Kabuki theater," too? Hell, just call it "theater."

These sound like things white men said in the 60s and never stopped saying.  Let's move past them.

I'm on the fence on forcibly retiring the slang use of Kabuki, because if you properly understand the context, its not inherently racist.  Kabuki is about an elaborate drama, transparenly over-dramatic, for effect.

The slang use is supposed to imply not just a performance, but a transparently obviously overdramatized one.  Because that's what actual Kabuki is.

It seems to be assumed now that using it is a slap at Asians, or maybe even Japanese specifically, but contextualized properly it's not saying anything about Japanese society or the people overall, and even the people being accused of "Kabuki theater" are being highlighted as being very obvious, nothing else.  Whereas "theater" alone arguably doesn't imply that. Its putting on a show, but not necessarily a transparent one.

Soap Opera Acting? Also overdone and preposterous, without possible racist undertones.

Pantomime works perfectly well

True.  Panto is a direct Western equivalent of the same kind of theater.

I still don't think "Kabuki theater" is racist, unless someone wants to reverse engineer the insult back to a whole population, but Soap Opera and Pantomime certainly do convey the same aspect of being obvious, undisguised performances.


I guess I had been confusing the metaphor for Noh theater, where there are a lot of stage hands visible but ignored that are necessary to make the play go. Also masks.
 
2021-10-16 6:02:59 PM  
Talking about you, Norah O'Donnell.

I can no longer stomach your smug bsab-isms. Go tut-tut on somebody else's TV.
 
2021-10-16 6:35:37 PM  

Palined Parenthood: yeah right and i bet you also think i should get my boss a box of hot cocoa for "happy holiday's thats all one flaver instead of a festive christmas hot cocoa sampler pack.........smh.........


...I guess that trope's too old for you kids
 
2021-10-16 8:51:28 PM  

jerryskid: Kris_Romm: Abox: Biden is speaking now and shouting like a mental patient.

Well we can guess which side you follow.

Come on.  It's more nuanced than you give them credit.  There are hitler nazis, there are himmler nazis and there are borman nazis.

Some many sides.


Watch carefully for Speer nazis.
 
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