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2021-10-16 4:16:57 AM  
Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching
 
2021-10-16 4:35:41 AM  
And reason and logic. Then theres the mask stuff
 
2021-10-16 4:41:43 AM  
Ha!  They're being maneuvered into claiming that anti-vax advocacy cannot be censored or compelled because it is religious speech...

Fkkg brilliant.

/cackles
 
2021-10-16 4:42:43 AM  
 
2021-10-16 5:01:00 AM  
FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
 
2021-10-16 5:37:12 AM  

Trik: Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching


I think when people are persented with both sides of a problem they will deside on the best answer, if that doesn't work they are just too stupid for public life and lock them up until they understand.
 
2021-10-16 5:45:50 AM  
"They are on the wrong side of science," said Court of Queen's Bench Justice Adam Germain.

I can see that this judge is somehow u familiar with the concept of religion...
 
2021-10-16 6:05:46 AM  

Fly Catcher: Trik: Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching

I think when people are persented with both sides of a problem they will deside on the best answer, if that doesn't work they are just too stupid for public life and lock them up until they understand.


Not really. More often than not people go for the side that confirms their personal prejudices and world views, no matter how illogical it is, or detrimental to society. The last several years have proven this aptly, i'd say.
 
2021-10-16 6:12:41 AM  

T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."


A much better approach.
 
2021-10-16 6:40:38 AM  
If only this was a fast, self correcting, problem.
 
2021-10-16 6:47:30 AM  

Smoking GNU: Fly Catcher: Trik: Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching

I think when people are persented with both sides of a problem they will deside on the best answer, if that doesn't work they are just too stupid for public life and lock them up until they understand.

Not really. More often than not people go for the side that confirms their personal prejudices and world views, no matter how illogical it is, or detrimental to society. The last several years have proven this aptly, i'd say.


Yes your right, that why it would be best to lock them up, or have them demonstrate that they can fly -- off a cliff!
 
2021-10-16 6:57:44 AM  
As it should be.   The United States has gone off the deep end in conflating a right to free speech with a right to your own farking reality that endangers others.
 
2021-10-16 7:01:18 AM  
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2021-10-16 7:58:48 AM  
Now do it in French!
 
2021-10-16 8:34:18 AM  
Repeat but with a much better headline.
 
2021-10-16 8:44:23 AM  
Can't they just say those things but then wink wink? Or use air quotes...I guess I saying you can then say it but it doesn't mean they will say it...
 
2021-10-16 8:46:23 AM  

T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."


The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.
 
2021-10-16 8:50:45 AM  

RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.


Free? Free to be gunned down at school, the mall, or at work?
Take your AR_15 and shove it where the sun don't shine... mainly in your ear.
 
2021-10-16 9:02:43 AM  

wademh: Fun fact: not a repeat of https://www.fark.com/comments/11842​135/Canadian-judge-has-had-enough-of-a​nti-vax-pastor#new


There's still one of these asshats near me that hasn't made it onto fark yet. They were fined 10's of thousands, disobeyed every court order they got and still haven't had their church padlocked shut or get tossed in jail.

Many feel the judge is going way to easy on them but at the same time that church absolutely loves that they get to play the repressed victim so the judge may possibly be trying to avoid turning them into martyrs.

I'm sure there's a bunch in Alberta that haven't graced this site yet either but that province's leadership caters to nutters like this.
 
2021-10-16 9:04:19 AM  
It feels good to see cops manhandling a bunch of white guys in business suits.
 
2021-10-16 9:05:01 AM  

silo123j: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

Free? Free to be gunned down at school, the mall, or at work?
Take your AR_15 and shove it where the sun don't shine... mainly in your ear.


Says somebody that probably has no actual knowledge of the charter.
 
2021-10-16 9:05:50 AM  

RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.


Immigration office is just down the road.
 
2021-10-16 9:08:26 AM  

Fly Catcher: Trik: Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching

I think when people are persented with both sides of a problem they will deside on the best answer, if that doesn't work they are just too stupid for public life and lock them up until they understand.


lol

"Just lock up everyone who disagrees with me until they don't. Problem solved!"
 
2021-10-16 9:17:01 AM  

Kurohone: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

Immigration office is just down the road.


Oh yeah "love it or leave it" is a very Canadian tradition. The charter is flawed I'm hardly the first person to point it out.
 
2021-10-16 10:00:10 AM  
Were religious types such dickwads during the Spanish Flu pandemic?
 
2021-10-16 10:06:43 AM  

RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.


The Charter acknowledges the rights of the individual should not sacrifice the rights of other individuals.

This includes speech, and Healthcare measures.

Things like spreading actively harmful misinformation should not be considered protected speech.

There is no reason to cater to religious beliefs, no matter how sincere, at the cost of the health and safety of others.
 
2021-10-16 10:17:28 AM  

Discordulator: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

The Charter acknowledges the rights of the individual should not sacrifice the rights of other individuals.

This includes speech, and Healthcare measures.

Things like spreading actively harmful misinformation should not be considered protected speech.

There is no reason to cater to religious beliefs, no matter how sincere, at the cost of the health and safety of others.


RTOGuy is an American-styled right wing nut of the "Muh Freedom!" variety, where freedom constrained by social responsibility is not 'real freedom'.  A "fark you, I've got mine" type.  Outside of Alberta and pockets of Ontario, that's not what's considered 'Canadian'.
 
2021-10-16 10:22:06 AM  
A Mack truck could drive through all the loopholes in that condition. "Of course my views aren't held by the medical community since it doesn't butter their biscuits...."
 
2021-10-16 10:26:37 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Discordulator: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

The Charter acknowledges the rights of the individual should not sacrifice the rights of other individuals.

This includes speech, and Healthcare measures.

Things like spreading actively harmful misinformation should not be considered protected speech.

There is no reason to cater to religious beliefs, no matter how sincere, at the cost of the health and safety of others.

RTOGuy is an American-styled right wing nut of the "Muh Freedom!" variety, where freedom constrained by social responsibility is not 'real freedom'.  A "fark you, I've got mine" type.  Outside of Alberta and pockets of Ontario, that's not what's considered 'Canadian'.


To his degree, even many Albertans pump the brakes.
 
2021-10-16 10:45:45 AM  
I really don't think that compelled speech from a private individual in a public setting will survive a appeal, no matter how big a fuqwit the sentenced are. I have nothing to back this up, it just doesn't feel like something the law allows.

/ IANAL
// Phoque these guys sideways
/// Troisiemes
 
2021-10-16 11:00:03 AM  

wademh: Fun fact: not a repeat of https://www.fark.com/comments/11842​135/Canadian-judge-has-had-enough-of-a​nti-vax-pastor#new


I was expecting the Pawlovski Brothers on that previous article!
 
2021-10-16 11:11:49 AM  

169th Cousin: Now do it in French!


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2021-10-16 11:13:45 AM  
The three men have been the stars of the Rebel Media "reopen everything" tour. They posted the visits of health services so many times in not sure how many visits they actually got. Of course they made a show of their arrests.
The Pawlowski brothers lost a charitable status years ago because of what they claim is bad bookkeeping, something tells me the Canadian Revenue Agency  will look into their church's...
 
2021-10-16 11:19:33 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Discordulator: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

The Charter acknowledges the rights of the individual should not sacrifice the rights of other individuals.

This includes speech, and Healthcare measures.

Things like spreading actively harmful misinformation should not be considered protected speech.

There is no reason to cater to religious beliefs, no matter how sincere, at the cost of the health and safety of others.

RTOGuy is an American-styled right wing nut of the "Muh Freedom!" variety, where freedom constrained by social responsibility is not 'real freedom'.  A "fark you, I've got mine" type.  Outside of Alberta and pockets of Ontario, that's not what's considered 'Canadian'.


I guess you forgot about that freakout about Doug Ford invoking the notwithstanding clause. The charter outlines our rights but with a giant asterisk. It was a compromise from the start and because of that it is incredibly flawed and needs work which will never happen because nobody wants to reopen it for fear that they'd never be able to agree on any changes.

I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings of the charter somehow makes me a radical. "How dare you point out flaws we've known about forever! Go move to America!".
 
2021-10-16 11:34:00 AM  

RTOGUY: I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings


When, exactly did you do that?  All you've said ITT is, and I quote:

RTOGUY: The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.


That's not pointing out anything.  That's basically whining
 
2021-10-16 11:54:14 AM  

Deathbymeteor: RTOGUY: I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings

When, exactly did you do that?  All you've said ITT is, and I quote:

RTOGUY: The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

That's not pointing out anything.  That's basically whining


If I thought for a second that anybody on Fark gave a shiat about Canadian charter issues I'd have maybe went into more detail. Given the replies I've received it seems people were more than aware of the limited "rights" we possess under the charter.
 
2021-10-16 12:01:19 PM  

RTOGUY: Deathbymeteor: RTOGUY: I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings

When, exactly did you do that?  All you've said ITT is, and I quote:

RTOGUY: The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

That's not pointing out anything.  That's basically whining

If I thought for a second that anybody on Fark gave a shiat about Canadian charter issues I'd have maybe went into more detail. Given the replies I've received it seems people were more than aware of the limited "rights" we possess under the charter.


Don't biatch about being misunderstood when you don't even present your point.  I addressed the statement you made on Fark, not the one you are retroactively pretending was in your head.
 
2021-10-16 12:02:09 PM  

RTOGUY: silo123j: RTOGUY: T Baggins: FTA: If the three men continue to preach to their followers, they must also place the other side of the argument on the record, the judge said. Germain suggested wording like: "I am aware that the views I am expressing to you may not be held by medical experts ... the majority of medical experts favour social distancing ... vaccine programs."

Wouldn't fly in the US, but invoking reasonableness is where the US first amendment and the Canadian first section diverge. "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

Free? Free to be gunned down at school, the mall, or at work?
Take your AR_15 and shove it where the sun don't shine... mainly in your ear.

Says somebody that probably has no actual knowledge of the charter.


And only an adolescent understanding of freedom.
 
2021-10-16 12:18:37 PM  
Preach to the Controversy!
 
2021-10-16 12:22:13 PM  
The Devil deserves his time in the pulpit. Evilution must be preached in all churches, mosques, synagogues and temples.

And don't give me any guff about separation of Church and State. Conservatives have spent lifetimes proving that means the State must have an Estabished (Conservative Christian) Church and public education must be partisan and politicized Predestinatarian Anti-Popery Propaganda.
 
2021-10-16 2:05:15 PM  
I see our troll-factory contrarian algorithm is here to botsplain freedumb & rights to us folks who haven't studied Rush album liner notes.
Where would we be without That Guy?
 
2021-10-16 2:31:41 PM  

RTOGUY: Deathbymeteor: RTOGUY: I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings

When, exactly did you do that?  All you've said ITT is, and I quote:

RTOGUY: The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

That's not pointing out anything.  That's basically whining

If I thought for a second that anybody on Fark gave a shiat about Canadian charter issues I'd have maybe went into more detail. Given the replies I've received it seems people were more than aware of the limited "rights" we possess under the charter.


I understand Section 6(1) just fine, thanks. Which, by the way, isn't applicable to a notwithstanding clause.
 
2021-10-16 2:42:10 PM  

Boo_Guy: wademh: Fun fact: not a repeat of https://www.fark.com/comments/11842​135/Canadian-judge-has-had-enough-of-a​nti-vax-pastor#new

There's still one of these asshats near me that hasn't made it onto fark yet. They were fined 10's of thousands, disobeyed every court order they got and still haven't had their church padlocked shut or get tossed in jail.

Many feel the judge is going way to easy on them but at the same time that church absolutely loves that they get to play the repressed victim so the judge may possibly be trying to avoid turning them into martyrs.

I'm sure there's a bunch in Alberta that haven't graced this site yet either but that province's leadership caters to nutters like this.


The best is the whistlestop cafe. Somewhere out in middle of nowhere alberta. The guy kept getting fined for staying open, opened a gofundme and as soon as the rubes gave him enough he said he couldn't stay open any longer fighting so he he closed and paid off the mortgage on the cafe with  the money
 
2021-10-16 2:57:40 PM  
Tie 'em to a street lamp and whip 'em until they bleed and/or to preach the real Truth.
 
2021-10-16 3:01:09 PM  

theToadMan: Boo_Guy: wademh: Fun fact: not a repeat of https://www.fark.com/comments/11842​135/Canadian-judge-has-had-enough-of-a​nti-vax-pastor#new

There's still one of these asshats near me that hasn't made it onto fark yet. They were fined 10's of thousands, disobeyed every court order they got and still haven't had their church padlocked shut or get tossed in jail.

Many feel the judge is going way to easy on them but at the same time that church absolutely loves that they get to play the repressed victim so the judge may possibly be trying to avoid turning them into martyrs.

I'm sure there's a bunch in Alberta that haven't graced this site yet either but that province's leadership caters to nutters like this.

The best is the whistlestop cafe. Somewhere out in middle of nowhere alberta. The guy kept getting fined for staying open, opened a gofundme and as soon as the rubes gave him enough he said he couldn't stay open any longer fighting so he he closed and paid off the mortgage on the cafe with  the money


Hmm, giant mortgage or a rep as an antivax nut...

Toughie.
 
2021-10-16 3:36:33 PM  

RTOGUY: I guess you forgot about that freakout about Doug Ford invoking the notwithstanding clause. The charter outlines our rights but with a giant asterisk. It was a compromise from the start and because of that it is incredibly flawed and needs work which will never happen because nobody wants to reopen it for fear that they'd never be able to agree on any changes.

I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings of the charter somehow makes me a radical. "How dare you point out flaws we've known about forever! Go move to America!"


If anything, the American system is even more flawed. The First Amendment has no exceptions whatsoever, but actual American jurisprudence does; the legitimacy of the exceptions that exist (e.g. laws against defamation or restrictions on "fighting words") is not to be found anywhere in the text of the First Amendment, and exists only on the whim of past Supreme Court justices and the willingness of present SCOTUS judges to be somewhat bound by those whims (better known as the stare decisis principle).

At least the Canadian Charter delineates what legitimate restrictions may be placed on speech, and frankly your dislike of those restrictions says more about you than it does about the Charter.
 
2021-10-16 3:49:32 PM  

Fly Catcher: Trik: Just find a very high cliff and toss them off.
If their religion and faith allows them to fly, levitate, or just land safely, they were right and can continue their anti covid / mask / vaccine preaching

I think when people are persented with both sides of a problem they will deside on the best answer, if that doesn't work they are just too stupid for public life and lock them up until they understand.


They will present the other side / view in a deriding and mocking way.
 
2021-10-16 5:40:42 PM  

BitwiseShift: Repeat but with a much better headline.


Not a repeat.  Different cases on opposite ends of the country.
 
2021-10-17 9:44:00 AM  

RTOGUY: Deathbymeteor: RTOGUY: I love how pointing out the glaringly obvious shortcomings

When, exactly did you do that?  All you've said ITT is, and I quote:

RTOGUY: The Canadian Charter is a fine document for people that don't really want to be free.

That's not pointing out anything.  That's basically whining

If I thought for a second that anybody on Fark gave a shiat about Canadian charter issues I'd have maybe went into more detail. Given the replies I've received it seems people were more than aware of the limited "rights" we possess under the charter.


So, in other words, you didn't (and refused to) backup your actual statement with anything approaching fact when directly challenged on it, while trying to handwave away your lack of effort by both claiming support that doesn't exist ITT and dismissing the fact that you were actually called to make your case and failed to do so.

In other words, your bluff got called, and rather than take the loss, you tried to claim a crowd still thinks you have a winning hand, but you shouldn't have to actually show your cards.  That's not how life works.
 
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