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2021-10-15 9:06:11 PM  
"The Governator said to get our asses to Mars, so...vodka may have been involved."
 
2021-10-16 12:40:30 AM  
"We think - and we haven't got confirmation - we think the thrusters stopped firing because they reached their prop[ellant] limit," NASA flight director Timothy Creamer told agency astronauts shortly after the thrusters shut down, according to The New York Times. "Moscow is checking into it and doing their data analysis."

That really doesn't help the situation any.
 
2021-10-16 12:48:06 AM  
It's just sad at this point.  The Russians can justifiably be proud of what their space program did, both manned and unmanned.

But then Russia turned into a kleptocracy and Putin, Rogozin and the rest stole everything not nailed down.  Now they have a bunch of ancient designs put together by folks who can't assemble an Ikea chair but they want to pretend they're still a major space power while putting out designs for paper rockets that will never fly

The even sadder part is how close we came to following them.  If SpaceX hadn't gotten the commercial crew contract we'd still be paying the Russians a fortune for rides on Soyuz while Boeing tightened a few more bolts on the SLS and billed the taxpayer another $100 million in bonus payments for making that important contract milestone only 8 years behind schedule.
 
2021-10-16 12:51:10 AM  
Randomly firing thrusters?  Might be time to find the circuit breaker and flip them into OFF mode.

Sabotage by the russians?  Nah.  Unpossible.

Even if it isn't intentional, they need to find a way to prevent it from ever happening again.
 
2021-10-16 1:03:21 AM  
It's almost like Russia is a borderline 3rd world country with a legacy space program that they don't support anymore.
 
2021-10-16 1:16:57 AM  
Good news is that unlike the Nauka, these Soyuz aren't designed to aide in attitude control, so the thruster and fuel don't allow for nearly as much thrust or specific impulse.

They might be a little worried about the descent now, though.

And I think it's time to put the kibosh on any more Roscosmos flights to the ISS. I think it's time to license the Soyuz to the ISRO and let them have a seat at the table.
 
2021-10-16 1:19:16 AM  

another one of them: Randomly firing thrusters?  Might be time to find the circuit breaker and flip them into OFF mode.

Sabotage by the russians?  Nah.  Unpossible.

Even if it isn't intentional, they need to find a way to prevent it from ever happening again.


It wasn't random.  It was a thruster check for the Sunday departure.
 
2021-10-16 1:24:00 AM  
Give me a ping, Vasily. Fire one thruster only.
 
2021-10-16 1:24:55 AM  
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2021-10-16 1:26:31 AM  

thehellisthis: another one of them: Randomly firing thrusters?  Might be time to find the circuit breaker and flip them into OFF mode.

Sabotage by the russians?  Nah.  Unpossible.

Even if it isn't intentional, they need to find a way to prevent it from ever happening again.

It wasn't random.  It was a thruster check for the Sunday departure.


That went on 37 minutes too long.

Good thing Americans aren't riding Soyuz made in the Russian Federation any more, is all I'm saying.
 
2021-10-16 1:36:24 AM  
Maybe it was a stuck valve? They could ask Boeing about that...
 
2021-10-16 1:47:59 AM  

The Bestest: Maybe it was a stuck valve? They could ask Boeing about that...


I wondered if it thought it was at the aft dock, and was going for 90 deg to align itself prograde with the orbit.  Boeing can also volunteer their deep knowledge on this out.

It runs on H2O2 that can't be transferred, so if it burned through without a reserve cutoff, then they are going to need a new ride home.
 
2021-10-16 2:42:11 AM  
Pack the Russians into their segment, close it up, and unscrew it from the ISS. Clearly they can't safely be there anymore.
 
2021-10-16 3:10:38 AM  
FTFA:
Space station managers don't yet know what caused the anomalously long firing....
It's also unclear why the MS-18's thrusters stopped firing, though the station's handlers have some ideas....
Despite today's drama, the Soyuz MS-18 remains on track to return to Earth this weekend.



/pats seat

Yeah, come on in and strap on down. This baby's safe as kitten! Nothing to worry about, that was just some bonus fuel. We didn't need that anyway. Yucky fuel, it says things about your mother I don't like. Smells like bear piss.

Why did it happen? Don't worry about it! Why did it stop? Why you still worry about it, stop worry about it! Will something like that happen again? Bozhe moi, whatta you get paid to worry about it? Don't worry about it! Safe as puppy!
 
2021-10-16 3:40:21 AM  
Russia always seems to have just enough technological skill to get themselves into real trouble.
 
2021-10-16 4:19:43 AM  
But it was an American with a screwdriver that really threatened the operation.
 
2021-10-16 6:56:30 AM  
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2021-10-16 8:03:22 AM  

studebaker hoch: Russia always seems to have just enough technological skill to get themselves into real trouble.


That's  only so they can jump off the sides of things  that are on fire, into a lake of piranhas, as was the plan.
 
2021-10-16 10:45:21 AM  

recondite cetacean: But it was an American with a screwdriver that really threatened the operation.


I love how they blamed their own crap on "a hysterical woman"

https://www.space.com/russia-blames-n​a​sa-astronaut-soyuz-leak
 
2021-10-16 11:30:23 AM  
The Russians are doing this on purpose to try to disrupt the ISS program.
 
2021-10-16 11:30:36 AM  
The Chinese are banned from the ISS and are currently building their own. If the ISS were somehow disabled the Chinese would have the only one. I'm betting it already has, or will soon have, docking ports for Soyuz vehicles.
 
2021-10-16 11:40:31 AM  

thehellisthis: The Bestest: Maybe it was a stuck valve? They could ask Boeing about that...

I wondered if it thought it was at the aft dock, and was going for 90 deg to align itself prograde with the orbit.  Boeing can also volunteer their deep knowledge on this out.

It runs on H2O2 that can't be transferred, so if it burned through without a reserve cutoff, then they are going to need a new ride home.


Exactly. Plus, they will have a hard time getting rid of if as it clogs up a docking port but has no maneuverability. Could be very bad with that large crew stuck on the station.
 
2021-10-16 11:54:29 AM  
The ISS has always been international in law, but obviously the USA's space colony in practice. Russia ha a lot to gain from damaging it beyond the USA's ability to repair (oops too expensive), or pushing it toward obsolescence (oops look at all these accidents). Russia benefits from the privatization of space, through investment, the same way they bought up the major real estate of London, Rekyyavik, and other places, effectively taking control of cost-of-living.

There is no way the Russians are merely incompetent when it comes to space.
 
2021-10-16 11:57:31 AM  

another one of them: Randomly firing thrusters?  Might be time to find the circuit breaker and flip them into OFF mode.


You'd think this would be part of the checklist once a capsule was docked to the ISS.  You'd think.

Gotta wonder if the Russians are trying to sabotage the ISS at this point, since no other country needs to fly on their rockets anymore.
 
2021-10-16 12:29:32 PM  
why are they even allowed up there with all the constant attacks on other countries and their own citizens
 
2021-10-16 1:06:27 PM  

wax_on: It's almost like Russia is a borderline 3rd world country with a legacy space program that they don't support anymore.


They are a Second World country. The First world was the US and its allies. The Second world was communism. The third world was everyone else
 
2021-10-16 2:24:36 PM  

thehellisthis: The Bestest: Maybe it was a stuck valve? They could ask Boeing about that...

I wondered if it thought it was at the aft dock, and was going for 90 deg to align itself prograde with the orbit.  Boeing can also volunteer their deep knowledge on this out.

It runs on H2O2 that can't be transferred, so if it burned through without a reserve cutoff, then they are going to need a new ride home.


One would hope that they have redundant, isolated systems so that a single fault could only consume a fraction of the total supply.
 
2021-10-16 3:31:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: thehellisthis: The Bestest: Maybe it was a stuck valve? They could ask Boeing about that...

I wondered if it thought it was at the aft dock, and was going for 90 deg to align itself prograde with the orbit.  Boeing can also volunteer their deep knowledge on this out.

It runs on H2O2 that can't be transferred, so if it burned through without a reserve cutoff, then they are going to need a new ride home.

One would hope that they have redundant, isolated systems so that a single fault could only consume a fraction of the total supply.


I guess we will know soon, they are expected to start getting ready to depart in the MS-18 capsule in about 45 min. I'm kind of surprised that they aren't delaying to check it out, but... I dunno.
 
2021-10-16 4:26:51 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: The ISS has always been international in law, but obviously the USA's space colony in practice. Russia ha a lot to gain from damaging it beyond the USA's ability to repair (oops too expensive), or pushing it toward obsolescence (oops look at all these accidents). Russia benefits from the privatization of space, through investment, the same way they bought up the major real estate of London, Rekyyavik, and other places, effectively taking control of cost-of-living.

There is no way the Russians are merely incompetent when it comes to space.


How does Russia benefit by wrecking the trip back home for the first feature film shot in space? It's no moonshot, but there's not a lot of firsts in space that Russia is capable of grabbing anymore.

Russia certainly is known to cause trouble, but sometimes a fark-up is just that.
 
2021-10-16 5:42:33 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: wax_on: It's almost like Russia is a borderline 3rd world country with a legacy space program that they don't support anymore.

They are a Second World country. The First world was the US and its allies. The Second world was communism. The third world was everyone else


That definition has long since been retired.  The meaning switched to First=Developed Third=Undeveloped and people forgot there was anything in between.  People are starting to use the new words, but pretty much everyone but Cold War history buffs uses the new meanings regardless of which words they choose to communicate them.
 
2021-10-17 12:49:05 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Evil Twin Skippy: wax_on: It's almost like Russia is a borderline 3rd world country with a legacy space program that they don't support anymore.

They are a Second World country. The First world was the US and its allies. The Second world was communism. The third world was everyone else

That definition has long since been retired.  The meaning switched to First=Developed Third=Undeveloped and people forgot there was anything in between.  People are starting to use the new words, but pretty much everyone but Cold War history buffs uses the new meanings regardless of which words they choose to communicate them.


A lot of people still labor under the archaic inclusion of the US in first world territory, but fewer each day as most reside in the US and thus lack healthcare.
 
2021-10-17 1:37:19 AM  
well, they apparently made it back safely.. landed in Kazakhstan an hour ago
 
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