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2021-10-15 2:41:19 PM  
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2021-10-15 3:40:03 PM  
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2021-10-15 4:39:16 PM  
You would think a car guy would know to stay in his lane.
 
2021-10-15 4:39:18 PM  
Well, there goes Roe v Wade
 
2021-10-15 4:39:45 PM  
And maybe once he's done there he can ask the Taliban to be nicer to their women, too.
 
2021-10-15 4:39:45 PM  
Asking 6 people nominated and confirmed to destroy the country through judicial means to not destroy the country through judicial means probably isn't going to change their minds much.
 
2021-10-15 4:40:25 PM  
"We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."
 
2021-10-15 4:43:37 PM  

doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."


I really wish 'Hard Biden' was an actual thing.
 
2021-10-15 4:43:56 PM  

doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."


Yes, his record says he'll go hard on people.  Definitely.
 
2021-10-15 4:44:05 PM  
OK, Accelerationmtter.
 
2021-10-15 4:44:39 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Well, there goes Roe v Wade


That was the end goal of this from the start.  The question is does Biden have the brass to threaten a SCOTUS expansion behind closed doors.
 
2021-10-15 4:45:20 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Well, there goes Roe v Wade


More like well there it is.

Why did you even make this comment?
 
2021-10-15 4:46:06 PM  

kumanoki: doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."

I really wish 'Hard Biden' was an actual thing.


You really wish Biden acted more like a dictator than an elected figure?

Is this going to be a "Shoot fish in the barrel" thread?  It's up to you guys.
 
2021-10-15 4:47:19 PM  
Revoke Texas statehood. It's time.
 
2021-10-15 4:48:42 PM  
This unusual enforcement process, where governments are banned from enforcement, but citizens outside of Texas can be self-deputized to enforce, through civil process, in Texas courts -- may have some pitfalls.

Who really wants to pay Texas taxes and fees if they live in Wisconsin or New Jersey?

No state income tax, but license plates require the payment of Texas sales tax for a car bought elsewhere.  That's a chunk of change.  There may be other traps.  Nothing is free.  Other states may not want their citizens poached, or their wallets lightened, by a scheme of  GOP Texas Legislature that only the warm body of a Democrat is needed to claim a legal quorum was present for voting.

Absentee litigators in other states may need protection from their state in the near future.
 
2021-10-15 4:48:43 PM  

kumanoki: doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."

I really wish 'Hard Biden' was an actual thing.


isn't that what cheeki breeki is?
 
2021-10-15 4:49:15 PM  

doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."


What do you even imagine that means?

They are taking part of the fight against Texas SB 8. What more do you imagine Biden can do?
He can't pack the court because he doesn't have the votes to let him do it. You can imagine  that he should get rid of the filibuster but he can't. The Senate has to do that and there aren't the votes to do it.
 
2021-10-15 4:50:07 PM  
And the 6 Republicans just laughed and laughed.
 
2021-10-15 4:50:25 PM  
Biden admin should (*) open access to abortion and other women's health services on military bases.

/(*) this is probably a terrible idea somehow
 
2021-10-15 4:52:30 PM  
Biden administration asks the Supreme Court nicely

As opposed to what?  Invading the Supreme Court building with Seal Team Six?  Launching a Tomahawk missile at it?  Doing a drive by?  Stabbing Justice "I like Beer" in the face with a shank?
 
2021-10-15 4:52:43 PM  

schnee: Biden admin should (*) open access to abortion and other women's health services on military bases.

/(*) this is probably a terrible idea somehow


Put them in post offices and national parks. If we're not going to smack these people down then we need creative solutions.
 
2021-10-15 4:53:23 PM  
I wonder if they say 'no', then Biden busts out with 'Expand the Court it is then!'
 
2021-10-15 4:54:02 PM  
I don't know what you all expect Biden to do, or what you think he did to bring this about.  This die was cast well before he was even elected.


I mean, short of just putting a hit out on three of the most extreme justices so he could nominate their replacements, his hands were tied here.  Blame can go around to a lot of people, but Joe Biden sure isn't one of them.
 
2021-10-15 4:54:17 PM  

whidbey: kumanoki: doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."

I really wish 'Hard Biden' was an actual thing.

You really wish Biden acted more like a dictator than an elected figure?

Is this going to be a "Shoot fish in the barrel" thread?  It's up to you guys.


Is this another "Whidbey pretends to be a democrat but says we need to allow the Repuglicants to do what they want" thread?
 
2021-10-15 4:54:30 PM  
Maybe the political calculus here is, the court stops Texas now, good. And if the court backs Texas, the items it raises us going to hyper motivate women and progressive male voters and fundraisers for the mid terms. If the Dems can build a real majority in the Senate, suddenly, a lot more becomes possible.
 
2021-10-15 4:55:42 PM  

Karma Chameleon: schnee: Biden admin should (*) open access to abortion and other women's health services on military bases.

/(*) this is probably a terrible idea somehow

Put them in post offices and national parks. If we're not going to smack these people down then we need creative solutions.


Abortions at the post office? Really? I don't think you've thought this through. The line would be so long that people would be giving birth in it.
 
2021-10-15 4:55:47 PM  

kumanoki: doctorguilty: "We can do it soft, or we can do it hard. I'll wait."

I really wish 'Hard Biden' was an actual thing.


Looks like Jill Biden just doxxed herself on fark.com
 
2021-10-15 4:55:48 PM  
The ire it raises... Stupid autodefect
 
2021-10-15 4:56:41 PM  

whidbey: OK, Accelerationmtter.


Ok, who taught Whidbey about accelerationists?

Raise your hand.

I'll wait.

/This like when y'all learned the word millennial
//You can't have a word if you can't use it correctly
 
2021-10-15 4:58:54 PM  

gilgigamesh: I don't know what you all expect Biden to do, or what you think he did to bring this about.  This die was cast well before he was even elected.


I mean, short of just putting a hit out on three of the most extreme justices so he could nominate their replacements, his hands were tied here.  Blame can go around to a lot of people, but Joe Biden sure isn't one of them.


It's almost as if people submitting these articles are expressing hope that the Democratic Party fails miserably.
 
2021-10-15 4:59:11 PM  

Geotpf: Biden administration asks the Supreme Court nicely

As opposed to what?  Invading the Supreme Court building with Seal Team Six?  Launching a Tomahawk missile at it?  Doing a drive by?  Stabbing Justice "I like Beer" in the face with a shank?


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2021-10-15 4:59:44 PM  

Geotpf: Biden administration asks the Supreme Court nicely

As opposed to what?  Invading the Supreme Court building with Seal Team Six?  Launching a Tomahawk missile at it?  Doing a drive by?  Stabbing Justice "I like Beer" in the face with a shank?


Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2021-10-15 5:00:53 PM  

whidbey: gilgigamesh: I don't know what you all expect Biden to do, or what you think he did to bring this about.  This die was cast well before he was even elected.


I mean, short of just putting a hit out on three of the most extreme justices so he could nominate their replacements, his hands were tied here.  Blame can go around to a lot of people, but Joe Biden sure isn't one of them.

It's almost as if people submitting these articles are expressing hope that the Democratic Party fails miserably.


That's the one thing you can actually count on the Democratic party doing without any help.  Failing.
 
2021-10-15 5:02:30 PM  

BeatrixK: I wonder if they say 'no', then Biden busts out with 'Expand the Court it is then!'


I wish a mfer would.
 
2021-10-15 5:02:38 PM  
Maybe Kagan and Kegstand will fight a duel to the death over this?
 
2021-10-15 5:02:50 PM  

BitwiseShift: This unusual enforcement process, where governments are banned from enforcement, but citizens outside of Texas can be self-deputized to enforce, through civil process, in Texas courts -- may have some pitfalls.

Who really wants to pay Texas taxes and fees if they live in Wisconsin or New Jersey?

No state income tax, but license plates require the payment of Texas sales tax for a car bought elsewhere.  That's a chunk of change.  There may be other traps.  Nothing is free.  Other states may not want their citizens poached, or their wallets lightened, by a scheme of  GOP Texas Legislature that only the warm body of a Democrat is needed to claim a legal quorum was present for voting.

Absentee litigators in other states may need protection from their state in the near future.


The decision by the judge who blocked SB 8 was quite solid. The appeals court reversal was rather thin and failed to address much of the original ruling. I'm hoping to find time to read some of the many amicus curiae briefs that will be submitted.

While it is true that this SCOTUS is dangerously conservative, I don't think they'll let the law stand. It's just too defective in a strictly legal sense. SCOTUS won't kill the law over how they feel about abortion, but I think they will because they still have some residual integrity about how laws are written. An opportunity to over-turn Roe v Wade may come before them, and they may well do it. But I don't sense that this is it.

My guess is that this law will be over-turned on the basis of the absurdity of deputizing citizens to act but disclaiming that they then represent the State of TX. It's superficial nonsense.

Unfortunately, by throwing this one out, they will then imagine that they have some sort of cover for when they then overturn Roe v Wade in some other case where they reject the claim of an implicit right to privacy.
 
2021-10-15 5:03:09 PM  
Americans have been requiring their elected officials be 'men of god' for how long now. Of course it was going to lead to a theocracy.
 
2021-10-15 5:03:20 PM  

Geotpf: Biden administration asks the Supreme Court nicely

As opposed to what?  Invading the Supreme Court building with Seal Team Six?  Launching a Tomahawk missile at it?  Doing a drive by?  Stabbing Justice "I like Beer" in the face with a shank?


He's getting shiat in the other thread about using a stacked exploratory commission to come to a predetermined conclusion about adding justices to the court.

Perhaps he deserves some flack for thinking progressives are idiots by using this commission to give him political cover for doing nothing on expanding the court, but the reality is there is no way he can make it happen.  He'll be farking lucky if he can get any of his agenda through before the midterms, let alone something as far-fetched and politically explosive as court reform which would require not only bringing his own coalition in line, but getting a dozen or so republicans on board.

I mean, I am not happy about it.  Maybe somebody more like LBJ would have been able to get the party in line. and whip enough Republican votes to ram it through.  Maybe Biden will go down as a colossal failure because he couldn't unite Congress behind.. well, basically anything at all.

But anyway you look at it, there is zero chance he would've been able to stack the court in this climate.
 
2021-10-15 5:04:30 PM  

Any Pie Left: Maybe the political calculus here is, the court stops Texas now, good. And if the court backs Texas, the items it raises us going to hyper motivate women and progressive male voters and fundraisers for the mid terms. If the Dems can build a real majority in the Senate, suddenly, a lot more becomes possible.


We have a Supreme Court that will rule regulation of abortion is something covered under the 10th Amendment if we pass any federal legislation relating to accessing abortion.

This is the sort of shiat that will get out of hand and there is a question as to whether there are enough justices on the Supreme Court who give a shiat for their legacy when all is said and done.  Roberts has been desperate to build consensus and find any conceivable procedural issue he can use to avoid making politically sensitive rulings, but Beer Bro, The Handmaid, and The Lobster don't seem too interested in doing that.
 
2021-10-15 5:06:04 PM  

Any Pie Left: Maybe the political calculus here is, the court stops Texas now, good. And if the court backs Texas, the items it raises us going to hyper motivate women and progressive male voters and fundraisers for the mid terms. If the Dems can build a real majority in the Senate, suddenly, a lot more becomes possible.


There's no political calculus here. It's just a Hail Mary from the Biden administration. Getting Democrats to unify failed. Moving legislation through Congress failed. Expanding the court failed.
This is it. Ask the court nicely to halt the Texas law. This will fail too.
 
2021-10-15 5:07:08 PM  

Outshined_One: Any Pie Left: Maybe the political calculus here is, the court stops Texas now, good. And if the court backs Texas, the items it raises us going to hyper motivate women and progressive male voters and fundraisers for the mid terms. If the Dems can build a real majority in the Senate, suddenly, a lot more becomes possible.

We have a Supreme Court that will rule regulation of abortion is something covered under the 10th Amendment if we pass any federal legislation relating to accessing abortion.

This is the sort of shiat that will get out of hand and there is a question as to whether there are enough justices on the Supreme Court who give a shiat for their legacy when all is said and done.  Roberts has been desperate to build consensus and find any conceivable procedural issue he can use to avoid making politically sensitive rulings, but Beer Bro, The Handmaid, and The Lobster don't seem too interested in doing that.


I swear, Drew needs to change the name of this site to Foregoneconclusion.com.

You armchair judge and juries are really starting to sicken me.
 
2021-10-15 5:07:28 PM  

Flappyhead: Kumana Wanalaia: Well, there goes Roe v Wade

That was the end goal of this from the start.  The question is does Biden have the brass to threaten a SCOTUS expansion behind closed doors.


Roe v Wade was based upon privacy from the government I thought.

Welp... if roe v Wade is over turned and scotus affirms the govt can dictate medical decisions and invade privacy... use that to mandate vaccines universally.  Track and create a database of all firearm and ammo purchases. Etc etc.
 
2021-10-15 5:07:39 PM  
Even better

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2021-10-15 5:09:32 PM  

Any Pie Left: Maybe the political calculus here is, the court stops Texas now, good. And if the court backs Texas, the items it raises us going to hyper motivate women and progressive male voters and fundraisers for the mid terms. If the Dems can build a real majority in the Senate, suddenly, a lot more becomes possible.


There is no political calculus going on here.  And if there was, gambling away reproductive rights this nation has painstakingly fought for for 50 years in the hope we can add a few congressional seats over the next few years is the dumbest strategy in the history of math.

This is just accepting reality.  Roe v, Wade is dead.  It was dead the minute McConnell robbed Obama of his right to nominate Garland, and the American people decided to reward Republicans with the presidency.
 
2021-10-15 5:09:42 PM  
And I see someone's mad and passive aggressive again.

You poor snowflake.
 
2021-10-15 5:10:39 PM  

gilgigamesh: This is just accepting reality. Roe v, Wade is dead.


God you are the biggest effing Debbie Downer, dude.

And the thing is you're usually a pretty smart insightful person.
 
2021-10-15 5:12:26 PM  
Lots of abortion sites could go in the dark blue areas. Better than nothing. What's stopping the federal government from doing this?

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2021-10-15 5:13:57 PM  
Some of you need to out yourselves.  Seriously.

Farking cowards.
 
2021-10-15 5:14:35 PM  

Russ1642: Americans have been requiring their elected officials be 'men of god' for how long now. Of course it was going to lead to a theocracy.


And this comment makes zero sense.
 
2021-10-15 5:15:00 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Lots of abortion sites could go in the dark blue areas. Better than nothing. What's stopping the federal government from doing this?

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The Hyde Amendment, for one, probably.
 
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