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2021-10-15 1:29:34 PM  
A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.
 
2021-10-15 1:50:16 PM  
Drone deployed Thermite.
 
2021-10-15 1:53:57 PM  
Heritage Not Of Hate
 
2021-10-15 2:43:58 PM  
I bet it also correlates with Covid deaths.
 
2021-10-15 2:52:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: Heritage Not Of Hate


Now, now. That's not being fair to Southerners and their Heritage. They want anyone who isn't white to be treated like an animal. You're not supposed to hate animals, just people.

And that is why Southern culture is evil and will have to be utterly destroyed this time.
 
2021-10-15 2:58:29 PM  
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Now that that is out of the way, this is all the justification you need to get rid of the rest of them.  While there is probably not a direct correlation between the monuments and racist violence, they are both symptoms of inherent racial animus and many were installed so long after the Civil War, and in locations on the wrong side of the Mason Dixon Line, that their intent can only be construed as a deliberate insult and veiled threat to African Americans.
 
2021-10-15 2:59:05 PM  
How could they not correlate? They were put up for the purpose of intimidation -- it only follows that citizens would be similarly emboldened.
 
2021-10-15 2:59:06 PM  
The number of confederate monuments in a town inversely correlates with the number of people in that town who know what "correlate" means.
 
2021-10-15 3:00:24 PM  
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....although they can be turned into actual art
 
2021-10-15 3:04:46 PM  
Does it correlate with number of black people living there as well?
 
2021-10-15 3:05:55 PM  
Sherlock yet again discovers no fecal matter.
 
2021-10-15 3:06:16 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Does it correlate with number of black people living there as well?


Did not read the article.
 
2021-10-15 3:07:15 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Does it correlate with number of black people living there as well?


From personal experience, yes.
 
2021-10-15 3:09:22 PM  
I am very shocked by that.

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2021-10-15 3:12:10 PM  
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2021-10-15 3:19:18 PM  

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2021-10-15 3:19:34 PM  
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Yeah its from Reddit, I know. But if the actress in that show did an impeccable job of making me hate her character.

Midnight Mass on Netflix.

Mike Flanagan fails to disappoint.
 
2021-10-15 3:19:58 PM  

Flincher: [Fark user image image 346x750]Yeah its from Reddit, I know. But if the actress in that show did an impeccable job of making me hate her character.

Midnight Mass on Netflix.

Mike Flanagan fails to disappoint.


*but the actress.

/an if
 
2021-10-15 3:20:35 PM  

HighOnCraic: Heritage Not Of Hate


That and getting their asses kicked in wars as much as the Krauts.
 
2021-10-15 3:22:28 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: Does it correlate with number of black people living there as well?


Even when controlling for demographic factors like population numbers, the researchers found that "county-level frequency of lynching predicts county-level frequency of Confederate memorializations."
 
2021-10-15 3:35:10 PM  
This is a repeat but I think it should stay up.
 
2021-10-15 3:46:17 PM  
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2021-10-15 3:56:59 PM  
...so, Captain Obvious has been promoted to Rear Admiral?

/ Just working under the assumption that Capt. Obvious is a naval officer.
 
2021-10-15 3:58:51 PM  
I just found out today about the farkING CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL at Arlington farkING Cemetery and the farkING CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS who were buried there.

"The elaborately designed monument offers a nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy, including highly sanitized depictions of slavery... Two of these figures are portrayed as African American: an enslaved woman depicted as a "Mammy," holding the infant child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war."

Christ, what a country of assholes and idiots we are.
 
2021-10-15 4:02:20 PM  
It also relates to record keeping.

After the defeat of Nazis in WWII, the conscientious keeping of records of the unconscionable was seen to have a flaw when Finding Out started to be employed.
 
2021-10-15 4:09:11 PM  

Flincher: [Fark user image 346×750]
Yeah its from Reddit, I know. But if the actress in that show did an impeccable job of making me hate her character.

Midnight Mass on Netflix.

Mike Flanagan fails to disappoint.

I've never even heard of that show before now.
 
2021-10-15 4:11:43 PM  
Now let's see the monument/acts of anti-Semitic violence correlation. At least as strong is my null hypothesis.
 
2021-10-15 4:14:41 PM  
as I said the prior time this was posted, I don't visually see a correlation between monuments and lynchings.

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Anyway here is the paper:  https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/4f716​6​7f-08e5-4577-98b3-e14c569e031a

Can anybody make sense of this?

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BTW, the paper was  Kyshia Henderson's MA in  Psychology thesis, 2020/11/13, before her advisor and two other faculty members glommed onto it to get a PNAS publication.

https://libraetd.lib.virginia.edu/pub​l​ic_view/g158bj006
 
2021-10-15 4:20:16 PM  
Like... 99.9% of confederate monuments were erected in the 1870s or 1920s-30s by one of the two most significant incarnations of the Ku Klux Klan in their centers of power / towns where they dominated local politics.  Or occasionally... states where they dominated state politics (*coughs and looks in direction of TX capitol and its monuments*)

... y'know, the organization also directly responsible for lynchings?

When two things are directly dependent on the same variable, they tend to correlate.  That's... how basic statistics work, yes.

// Not using the KKK as a catch-all for racism, there's no, like, generic "society is to blame" here.  Specifically the one distinct terrorist group did both things, to the point that TFA's weird hesitation to mention them has to be an intentional obfuscation for some reason, presumably BSAB nonsense.

// The most obvious shell organization the KKK did the statue thing through are the Daughters of the Confederacy, because... I mean, duh, that's kind of obvious on its face, y'know?  But most frequently they'd just get a local government to erect the things directly, because showing off that the Klan directly held the majority of the seats on the city council or whatever in a legally-deniable way was kind of, y'know, the point?  The statues are basically the larger-scale, old-school version of a bunch of cops flashing a neonazi hand sign in a group photo, it was a signal of affiliation from the people putting up the statues as much as anything else.
 
2021-10-15 4:22:37 PM  

COMALite J: Flincher: [Fark user image 346×750]
Yeah its from Reddit, I know. But if the actress in that show did an impeccable job of making me hate her character.

Midnight Mass on Netflix.

Mike Flanagan fails to disappoint.
I've never even heard of that show before now.


Check it out. He did Haunting of Hill House, Haunting of Bly Manor, Hush, Gerald's Game and Doctor Sleep. All except Doctor Sleep are on Netflix. Horror done right. Never cried in a horror movie but I have gotten choked up in his shows.
 
2021-10-15 4:26:26 PM  

eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.


Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.
 
2021-10-15 4:26:35 PM  
I have a list of people who donated to put up the statues.
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I'll pull the link out of my history
 
2021-10-15 4:29:00 PM  
The civil what? I can only learn history from statues it is a rare condition.
 
2021-10-15 4:29:50 PM  

quo vadimus: I just found out today about the farkING CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL at Arlington farkING Cemetery and the farkING CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS who were buried there.

"The elaborately designed monument offers a nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy, including highly sanitized depictions of slavery... Two of these figures are portrayed as African American: an enslaved woman depicted as a "Mammy," holding the infant child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war."

Christ, what a country of assholes and idiots we are.


HOW IS THAT THERE
 
2021-10-15 4:35:18 PM  
Shiat I farked up.
That other list is subscribers donating to the magazine but the magazine is full of shiat about installing the monuments, advertisements for buying monuments and I guess I got overly excited.

But the thing names names.
If you want the names of people involved with installing those statues, that history is not lost.
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https://archive.org/details/confedera​t​eveter08cunn/page/468/mode/2up
 
2021-10-15 4:36:41 PM  
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2021-10-15 4:38:42 PM  
I am waiting for some ahole to get in a conversation with me about these racist farking things so I can ask how they would feel if Germans started to put up statues for Nazis. Too bad I cut off my MAGA cousins in Ohio I would love to see their mental gymnastics.
 
2021-10-15 4:44:56 PM  
I really blame that whole magazine for astroturfing the remnants of the confederacy America is still contending with.

It advertised, schools and railways.
It advertised guns.
It did lots of fundraising and advertising to install those monuments.

It's old timey confederate Parler.
They advertised hoax medicines too.
 
2021-10-15 4:46:38 PM  
Buy stock in oil!
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2021-10-15 4:52:57 PM  

eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.


The KKK was an arm to the Democratic party, so you need to change whole statement.
 
2021-10-15 5:00:14 PM  

caljar: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

The KKK was an arm to the Democratic party, so you need to change whole statement.


They were conservatives. Hey, in case you missed it, there was a huge political realignment in the 1950s and 1960s. As liberals in the Democratic Party embraced civil rights, southern conservatives left the party and became Republicans. The Republican Party used to be the progressive political party.
 
2021-10-15 5:03:40 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.


As I stated above, more importantly, they were put there by conservatives. If those people were alive in this era, they'd be wearing tacky red hats like your ilk.
 
2021-10-15 5:09:50 PM  
Anyone could have told you this. While the farking GQP repulitards will scream and shout and cry and gnash their teeth that the monuments were all about history, they didn't start popping up until Black folks started making civil rights gains. Of farking course they popped up in greatest number in the towns with the most lynchings. Lilly-white flabby-armed Ethel and crater-faced Bill needed to make sure those Black folks knew their place and knew who was in charge.

The whole of the Confederate leadership and every single confederate soldier should have been executed and their heads put on pikes as an example. Instead we put on the kid-gloves, and glad-handed them for 160 years.

The whole trend of far-right shiatbags getting tapped on the wrist and finger-wagged for trying to destroy the nation and for outright murdering people is just farking old at this point. The whole of the GQP and all of their sympathizers could die tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a goddamned tear.
 
2021-10-15 5:17:43 PM  
There is a memorial to the lynched. I've been once. It is sobering.
 
2021-10-15 5:24:05 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.


They put there by white supremacists and the political party that is run by white supremacists has changed over the decades starting in the 1960s. Republican is the only major political party in the US the is openly racist and white nationalist. Some people learn from mistakes and try to fix what was done and then there is the republicans wishing for the US to return to 19th white values.
 
2021-10-15 5:28:02 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.


True, so it's very strange that Republicans always the ones crying the loudest whenever Democrats talk about removing them.

I wonder why?  Oh, wait...

Trent Lott, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, is a leading figure in the Neo-Confederate movement. He has had a regular column for several years in the Citizen Informer, a publication of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a neo-Confederate and national organization which is active in defending flags across the south and promoting Confederate activities. He is the spokesperson in the Sons of Confederate Veterans recruiting video and a member.

He was interviewed in the Southern Partisan, [pp. 44, 4th Quarter 1984]. The interviewer asked, "At the Convention of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Biloxi, Mississippi you made the statement that 'the spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican Platform.' What did you mean by that?" Trent Lott responded.

"I think that a lot of the fundamental principles that Jefferson Davis believed in are very important to people across the country, and they apply to the Republican Party. After the War between the States, a lot of Southerners identified with the Democrat Party because of the radical Republicans we had at that time, particularly in the Senate. The South was wedded to that party for years and years and years. But we have seen the Republican Party become more conservative and more oriented toward the traditional family values, the religious values that we hold dear in the South. And the Democratic party is going in the other direction. As a result, more and more of The South's sons, Jefferson Davis' descendants, direct or indirect, are becoming involved with the Republican party. The platform we had in Dallas, the 1984 Republican platform, all the ideas we supported there - from tax policy, to foreign policy; from individual rights, to neighborhood security - are things that Jefferson Davis and his people believed in."

http://www.ferris-pages.org/ISAR/Inst​i​tut/CCC/lott/crawfish.htm
 
2021-10-15 5:40:40 PM  

quo vadimus: I just found out today about the farkING CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL at Arlington farkING Cemetery and the farkING CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS who were buried there.

"The elaborately designed monument offers a nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy, including highly sanitized depictions of slavery... Two of these figures are portrayed as African American: an enslaved woman depicted as a "Mammy," holding the infant child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war."

Christ, what a country of assholes and idiots we are.


That whole quoted part right there...  THAT is precisely the reason the statues have been there for so long and so many people in the north want them to stay.  Because history classes in MANY parts of the country today, STILL teach that nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy,

When there has been no other information taught to people for generations, it's VERY difficult to get them to understand that they have been farking lied to all this time.  And many of those people, after learning the truth, STILL want it buried because, "We only want to teach our children the things that make them feel good about being an American."

That is a real and exact quote.  Although I have no citation.

Which of course reminds me of another quote:  "imagine being so embarrassed about your country's history that you make it against the law to teach about it."
 
2021-10-15 5:41:48 PM  

eddie_irvine: Ketchuponsteak: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.

As I stated above, more importantly, they were put there by conservatives. If those people were alive in this era, they'd be wearing tacky red hats like your ilk.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Souther​n​_Democrats

The Democratic Party, they put those monuments there if they're older than about 1948. Today they'd be something else.

You did know that, right?

Hmm, though it might be that the monuments are far newer, from the 60s and 70s as Apartheid was being phased out.

And WTF. was that insult you tried to make, what are red coats, and why would I be one?
 
2021-10-15 5:54:29 PM  

eurotrader: Ketchuponsteak: eurotrader: A correlation between white supremacist republicans that want to murder POCs and the locations there is monuments to slavery and murdering POCs is not a surprise. Republican are just an embodiment of evil.

Those monuments were put there by Democrats I believe.

They put there by white supremacists and the political party that is run by white supremacists has changed over the decades starting in the 1960s. Republican is the only major political party in the US the is openly racist and white nationalist. Some people learn from mistakes and try to fix what was done and then there is the republicans wishing for the US to return to 19th white values.


I assumed they were pre. 1948, as they were referred to as historical.

Then I kinda realized that they could be from the 60s and 70s as per my post above, which was the period that Apartheid was dismantled.

In that case it's farked up that they're still there. They should like they did in at least one Eastern European nation, were they relocated all their Lenin statues.

You know Lenin statues all look the same, where Lenin, with a serious look on his face, is pointing to the horizon/future. Yeah, they gathered hundreds of them, and he's pointing in all different directions, making it look kinda, farcical.

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I guess with the statues being different sizes, the smaller ones could cup a feel on the larger ones.
 
2021-10-15 6:11:40 PM  

durbnpoisn: quo vadimus: I just found out today about the farkING CONFEDERATE MEMORIAL at Arlington farkING Cemetery and the farkING CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS who were buried there.

"The elaborately designed monument offers a nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy, including highly sanitized depictions of slavery... Two of these figures are portrayed as African American: an enslaved woman depicted as a "Mammy," holding the infant child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war."

Christ, what a country of assholes and idiots we are.

That whole quoted part right there...  THAT is precisely the reason the statues have been there for so long and so many people in the north want them to stay.  Because history classes in MANY parts of the country today, STILL teach that nostalgic, mythologized vision of the Confederacy,

When there has been no other information taught to people for generations, it's VERY difficult to get them to understand that they have been farking lied to all this time.  And many of those people, after learning the truth, STILL want it buried because, "We only want to teach our children the things that make them feel good about being an American."

That is a real and exact quote.  Although I have no citation.

Which of course reminds me of another quote:  "imagine being so embarrassed about your country's history that you make it against the law to teach about it."


Northerners sought out that mythology as tourism in the late 19th and early 20th century.
 
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