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(MSN)   A four-day work week test in Iceland was an "overwhelming success." People worked less and got paid the same while maintaining productivity and improving personal well-being   (msn.com) divider line
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2021-10-15 4:18:11 AM  
In the dark.
 
2021-10-15 5:12:35 AM  
All of these experiments with improving people's lives with things like universal income and shorter work hours are overwhelming successes. Despite this they're never implemented on a wide scale, because the contemptible greedheads in charge aren't happy unless they're squeezing everyone dry, even when it ends up hurting themselves in the long run.
 
2021-10-15 6:11:35 AM  
Maybe don't do the experiment in a tiny place where everyone knows each other and has zero problem subsidizing school, healthcare and everything else.

At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.
 
2021-10-15 7:55:54 AM  

NewportBarGuy: At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.


It would never go over here.

America is an oligarchy and if your daddy wasn't rich, you are a slave.

I've been told by friends from Europe that they were horrified when they got a firsthand look at just how bad life in this country is for anyone who wasn't born on third base. We like to tell ourselves that we're a shining beacon for the rest of the world, but the rest of the world actually looks at us with a mixture of pity and disgust.

And that was before we elected a spoiled brat with brain damage, who started an insurrection because his ego couldn't accept that most of the people were voting against him.
 
2021-10-15 8:14:24 AM  

bloobeary: NewportBarGuy: At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.

It would never go over here.

America is an oligarchy and if your daddy wasn't rich, you are a slave.

I've been told by friends from Europe that they were horrified when they got a firsthand look at just how bad life in this country is for anyone who wasn't born on third base. We like to tell ourselves that we're a shining beacon for the rest of the world, but the rest of the world actually looks at us with a mixture of pity and disgust.

And that was before we elected a spoiled brat with brain damage, who started an insurrection because his ego couldn't accept that most of the people were voting against him.


The secret of America used to be that the monied Aristocracy in America would send their sons and daughters to serve in the government, they paid a sizeable amount of taxes and generally realized that keeping people somewhat in the game was in their best interest. If we all have a decent home, two cars and money to take vacations, we aren't thinking about putting their heads on pikes.

It worked. We were an economic powerhouse with a robust consumer economy. Now it's all fueled by debt and the rich fight to steal every penny they can from that economy and the people in it.

What we are witnessing is our fragile little system collapsing in on itself because of shortsightedness and people looking to get to the top of the Billionaire List. We never had it great, but it used to work a lot better. Then, someone convinced the rich (their stupid offspring of course, not the ones who actually made the money) to go in this new direction of greed and abandon the concept of buying off the plebes.

It's not going to end well if we don't at least return to the old structure in some fashion. This is Pure Capitalism and Pure Capitalism is about as effective as Pure anything... Without some counterbalance, it fails spectacularly.

I believe in Capitalism, our old form of American Capitalism where we got most of the people involved in some fashion. But this new thing... this new thing is incredibly dangerous and will not end well.
 
2021-10-15 8:27:08 AM  
I'd just be happy with a return to a strict 9-5 with no contact outside of those hours as well as a full hour for lunch -- outside of the office and not at your desk.
 
2021-10-15 8:53:48 AM  
I'm working a 4/10 schedule and it's great.

Of course, I'm working my off Friday but we also get paid overtime and we have a big demo coming up.
 
2021-10-15 9:02:50 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I'm working a 4/10 schedule and it's great.

Of course, I'm working my off Friday but we also get paid overtime and we have a big demo coming up.


That sounds cool, and I think I'd have enjoyed an option like that too. But that's not what "a four day workweek" is really supposed to mean.

Gordon Bennett: All of these experiments with improving people's lives with things like universal income and shorter work hours are overwhelming successes. Despite this they're never implemented on a wide scale, because the contemptible greedheads in charge aren't happy unless they're squeezing everyone dry, even when it ends up hurting themselves in the long run.


Because widespread improvement of people's lives is socialism!
 
2021-10-15 9:05:06 AM  
I'm currently on four 9s and a half day on Friday. Always thought I'd like 4/10s but I have two young kids leaving little to no free time, where I usually had time to unwind with a show on 5/8s. More resentful that I have to come into to the office because the place made ZERO changes when covid hit.
 
2021-10-15 9:07:36 AM  

Gordon Bennett: All of these experiments with improving people's lives with things like universal income and shorter work hours are overwhelming successes. Despite this they're never implemented on a wide scale, because the contemptible greedheads in charge aren't happy unless they're squeezing everyone dry, even when it ends up hurting themselves in the long run.


Let's not forget about all the data pointing to major productivity losses from open office floor plans... That got implemented anyway.
 
2021-10-15 9:15:24 AM  
Meanwhile in America, I just read about 'brown bag meetings.' Where people have training/meetings on their lunch breaks because production can't stop for 30 minutes or the company will collapse.
 
2021-10-15 9:22:49 AM  

GodComplex: Meanwhile in America, I just read about 'brown bag meetings.' Where people have training/meetings on their lunch breaks because production can't stop for 30 minutes or the company will collapse.


They're called "lunch and learns", but we get free lunch so... meh.
 
2021-10-15 9:37:31 AM  

NewportBarGuy: their stupid offspring of course, not the ones who actually made the money


I think this is the real key.  Many of the original "rich" had built their own wealth though actual work, whether they started their own successful business or started in the mail room of another company and worked their way up.  Either way, they earned their money and understood what it meant to not be rich and what it meant to do hard work.  They actually cared about their workers, mostly.

Then their children came in with the built-in wealth.  They didn't have to work a day in their life, took over daddy's company, and now they only want more money so they change to policies so they can increase profits at the cost of the workers.
 
2021-10-15 9:43:43 AM  

Gordon Bennett: All of these experiments with improving people's lives with things like universal income and shorter work hours are overwhelming successes. Despite this they're never implemented on a wide scale, because the contemptible greedheads in charge aren't happy unless they're squeezing everyone dry, even when it ends up hurting themselves in the long run.


Mot of it boils down to "I had to go through a bunch of miserable working conditions, and therefore, so should you!"
 
2021-10-15 10:20:27 AM  

Rapmaster2000: GodComplex: Meanwhile in America, I just read about 'brown bag meetings.' Where people have training/meetings on their lunch breaks because production can't stop for 30 minutes or the company will collapse.

They're called "lunch and learns", but we get free lunch so... meh.


brown bag meetings are worse; they make you bring your own lunch.
 
2021-10-15 10:41:04 AM  
Happy workers work harder than unhappy ones?  That's just crazy talk.
 
2021-10-15 10:47:28 AM  

lincoln65: Let's not forget about all the data pointing to major productivity losses from open office floor plans... That got implemented anyway.


Yes. High-tech startups especially get addicted to the immediate savings of cramming everyone into white-collar sweatshops. Rows and rows of people crammed together, typing at computers.

But they don't think about the long-term losses from the lower productivity, the increased stress, the greater number of sick days used because of viruses and bacteria spreading among the entire staff quickly, the constant distractions, the constant interruptions, the lack of privacy, and so on.
 
2021-10-15 11:40:55 AM  
This should be done in al civilized societies, and America too.
 
2021-10-15 1:11:38 PM  

A Cave Geek: Gordon Bennett: All of these experiments with improving people's lives with things like universal income and shorter work hours are overwhelming successes. Despite this they're never implemented on a wide scale, because the contemptible greedheads in charge aren't happy unless they're squeezing everyone dry, even when it ends up hurting themselves in the long run.

Mot of it boils down to "I had to go through a bunch of miserable working conditions, and therefore, so should you!"


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2021-10-15 1:52:14 PM  
I'll go into a physical office six days a week, someone just hire me FFS.
 
2021-10-15 4:22:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Maybe don't do the experiment in a tiny place where everyone knows each other and has zero problem subsidizing school, healthcare and everything else.

At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.


Murrica: God's favorite country, the best country in the world, the richest, the smartest, the coolest flag.

But we apparently are incapable of doing anything almost all of Europe is capable of doing (universal healthcare, cheap college, strong social safety net).

Wonder why that is, given were, like, better than everybody.
 
2021-10-15 4:35:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I believe in Capitalism, our old form of American Capitalism where we got most of the people involved in some fashion.


Straight-white-male-like typing detected.

This time never existed.
 
2021-10-15 4:36:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: bloobeary: NewportBarGuy: At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.

It would never go over here.

America is an oligarchy and if your daddy wasn't rich, you are a slave.

I've been told by friends from Europe that they were horrified when they got a firsthand look at just how bad life in this country is for anyone who wasn't born on third base. We like to tell ourselves that we're a shining beacon for the rest of the world, but the rest of the world actually looks at us with a mixture of pity and disgust.

And that was before we elected a spoiled brat with brain damage, who started an insurrection because his ego couldn't accept that most of the people were voting against him.

The secret of America used to be that the monied Aristocracy in America would send their sons and daughters to serve in the government, they paid a sizeable amount of taxes and generally realized that keeping people somewhat in the game was in their best interest. If we all have a decent home, two cars and money to take vacations, we aren't thinking about putting their heads on pikes.

It worked. We were an economic powerhouse with a robust consumer economy. Now it's all fueled by debt and the rich fight to steal every penny they can from that economy and the people in it.

What we are witnessing is our fragile little system collapsing in on itself because of shortsightedness and people looking to get to the top of the Billionaire List. We never had it great, but it used to work a lot better. Then, someone convinced the rich (their stupid offspring of course, not the ones who actually made the money) to go in this new direction of greed and abandon the concept of buying off the plebes.

It's not going to end well if we don't at least return to the old structure in some fashion. This is Pure Capitalism and Pure Capitalism is about as effective as Pure anything... Without some counterbalance, it fails spectacularly.

I believe in Capitalism, our old form of American Capitalism wh ...


I think there's also a big caveat here that, part of the secret has to do with the destruction of the manufacturing base across most of Europe and Japan, and no manufactoring bases in other parts of the world.

As those got built or rebuilt, and global supply chains became easier, it became harder to prop up the American way of life, because first we started competing against European industrial powers again, then Japanese, then other 3rd world countries.

That's not to say it wasn't doable, but that it seems like a big thing that is often ignored.
 
2021-10-15 4:37:00 PM  
It's incredibly depressing that Americans see an article about a four-day week, an assume it means four ten-hour days.

Yikes.
 
2021-10-15 4:41:49 PM  
US CEOs want to know if they can drop the "personal well-being" and reduce pay by 20%
 
2021-10-15 5:38:52 PM  
I've had a four day work week since 2000. I am not as well paid as I could be, but I've had a four day work week the whole time and that's just been a better way to live.
 
2021-10-15 7:27:52 PM  
Been working a new job for about a month that's 4on/4off. The 4 days on are 12 hour shifts and it's a brutal, tedious job. But those 4 days off make it so it feels like I get a vacation after every work week. I absolutely love that.

Unfortunately they hired me on with the understanding that there will never be a raise and there's nowhere to promote me to. So it's not a job I'll be able to do forever. Don't know if I can ever go back to only having two days off.
 
2021-10-15 7:29:55 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Maybe don't do the experiment in a tiny place where everyone knows each other and has zero problem subsidizing school, healthcare and everything else.

At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.


And don't run your experiment using exclusively government workers. It's not surprising that things improved the less time they spent on the job.
 
2021-10-15 9:45:37 PM  
The bosses will take this to mean that they can get 40 hours of work out of you in 32 hours. The next step will be to pay you only for 32 hours.

It's like when computers were coming in and "futurists" were predicting that we'd all have a 20-hour work week. The bosses said, "Hell, no! We can get one person to do the work of two in 40 hours, and pay him less than half, because there's a lineup of unemployed people outside."
 
2021-10-15 10:28:06 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Maybe don't do the experiment in a tiny place where everyone knows each other and has zero problem subsidizing school, healthcare and everything else.

At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.


"conducting two trials of a shorter work week that involved about 2,500 workerss - more than 1% of the country's working population "

It's not even like it was large scale anyway. I think the hope would be that some smaller companies elsewhere give it a try and even some larger companies pilot it with smaller groups.
 
2021-10-16 9:14:13 AM  

jjorsett: NewportBarGuy: Maybe don't do the experiment in a tiny place where everyone knows each other and has zero problem subsidizing school, healthcare and everything else.

At least don't compare it to how it would go over here.

And don't run your experiment using exclusively government workers. It's not surprising that things improved the less time they spent on the job.


Actually private contractors are the bane of any public project.  Any attempt at outsourcing is ALWAYS more expensive, worse quality and guaranteed to run over schedule.

If you're not part of the solution there's gravy contracting money to be made in prolonging the problem.
 
2021-10-16 10:06:33 AM  
sounds like this was with public sector workers, so it isnt that surprising.
 
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