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(CNN)   40% of TSA employees are still unvaccinated. Good thing their mandate deadline doesn't fall just days before one of the heaviest travel times of the year   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-10-14 6:26:21 AM  
I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."
 
2021-10-14 6:34:25 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."


Came in here to express this much less eloquently. Gives you a real window into the intellectual capacity of the average TSA worker.
 
2021-10-14 6:35:03 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."


I'm stating the obvious, but unless someone has a medical exception, there's no wrapping your head around the decision not to get the vaccine.  It's not based on any valid logic.
 
2021-10-14 6:35:36 AM  
But thank heaven the TSA agent made me throw away any containers with more than 3 ounces of liquid in it. I may spill it on someone's suede shoes.
 
2021-10-14 6:37:05 AM  
We had a meeting at work yesterday covering my employer's vaccination mandate; my boss sounded ragged over it, because we have one team member that refuses to get it and has been quite vocal about it. They seem to think that their valuable skill set will get them an exemption, and my boss knows both that said person is valuable and that programs will suffer without them, and that said person is wrong and will be fired in 6 weeks or so.

One person from our Texas branch asked whether they really had to get vaccinated, because Abbott. The answer was a straightforward "yes."

My biggest question when my boss and I spoke one on one later was...where do these people think they're going to go? There's no employers in our field that aren't going to mandate the vaccine. There just aren't. The choices are a completely new - and likely less paying - job, or getting vaccinated and staying in the field.
 
2021-10-14 6:37:58 AM  

skinink: But thank heaven the TSA agent made me throw away any containers with more than 3 ounces of liquid in it. I may spill it on someone's suede shoes.


It has always been disconcerting to me that these bottles full of possible explosives are just thrown away.
 
2021-10-14 6:42:26 AM  
Good excuse as any to disband the TSA.
 
2021-10-14 6:46:06 AM  
President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?
 
2021-10-14 6:47:27 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."

Came in here to express this much less eloquently. Gives you a real window into the intellectual capacity of the average TSA worker.


This. Myself included, except I'm vaccinated.

Looking forward to losing so many idiots.
 
2021-10-14 6:47:58 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: skinink: But thank heaven the TSA agent made me throw away any containers with more than 3 ounces of liquid in it. I may spill it on someone's suede shoes.

It has always been disconcerting to me that these bottles full of possible explosives are just thrown away.


Also two 3-ounce bottles of shampoo can't blow up an airplane but one 6-ounce bottle can.

Are we really surprised that the agency that hired people based on advertising on pizza boxes got stuck with a bunch of trogs who don't understand vaccination?
 
2021-10-14 6:52:04 AM  
I think it is a good thing we hire such intelligent people to be TSA officers, because their job is so important and there are so many terrorists.

STOP LAUGHING! I DIDN'T MEAN IT, I WAS JUST JOKING!
 
2021-10-14 6:53:34 AM  
A week before 9/11 I carried on a bottle of Captain Morgan. On the plane the stewardess saw it and told me to put it away. I'd still be in Gitmo now if I tried that a week later.
 
2021-10-14 6:54:43 AM  
At United Airlines, the number who quit rather than get one was a rounding error.  The majority are just lazy.  This is the TSA.  It's not exactly staffed with life's go-getters.  Of the 10% who claim they'll never get the jab, that will whittle down to less than 1% when tough-guy noise has to face an actual adverse condition.
 
2021-10-14 6:55:11 AM  
So what I'm hearing is there is soon to be a LOT of openings at a cushy government job not far from my house....
 
2021-10-14 6:58:04 AM  
G. Tarrant:

There's an couple of experienced fellows at my work who have somehow wiggled their way into what I consider an amazing bit of doublethink: they're both vaccinated, yet both are extraordinarily vocal about how useless masks are and how no one should be required to get vaccinated. I view those as opposing stances and can't reconcile them, yet there they are: both trusting in and agitating against research- based evidence.
 
2021-10-14 6:58:39 AM  

Derp Du Jour: So what I'm hearing is there is soon to be a LOT of openings at a cushy government job not far from my house....


There are already tons of openings. TSA doesn't use GS scale so the workers are paid far lower on average than other government employees.

TSA spends millions on training on people who quit before they even hit the floor.

So you don't have to wait! Come join tsa today and be the target in every future fark tsa thread!
 
2021-10-14 6:59:34 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."


Exactly! People should just do what they are told  shut up, and get back to work. Bask in the glorious healing light of our leader that you wouldn't trust to handle your tax filing. Amen.
 
2021-10-14 7:00:09 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."


See, when you mainline this
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Your judgement gets kind of skewed.
 
2021-10-14 7:01:45 AM  

G. Tarrant: We had a meeting at work yesterday covering my employer's vaccination mandate; my boss sounded ragged over it, because we have one team member that refuses to get it and has been quite vocal about it. They seem to think that their valuable skill set will get them an exemption, and my boss knows both that said person is valuable and that programs will suffer without them, and that said person is wrong and will be fired in 6 weeks or so.

One person from our Texas branch asked whether they really had to get vaccinated, because Abbott. The answer was a straightforward "yes."

My biggest question when my boss and I spoke one on one later was...where do these people think they're going to go? There's no employers in our field that aren't going to mandate the vaccine. There just aren't. The choices are a completely new - and likely less paying - job, or getting vaccinated and staying in the field.


I work at a hospital and thankfully most got the vaccine.  But we all asked the same question.  Where is a nurse or doctor or anyone in the health care field going to go if they refuse the vaccine? The vast majority of any place associated with health care is requiring it. I read something on Reddit about a nurse that decided not to get vaccinated and is now instead waiting tables for a third of what she made previously.  Obviously she was complaining.  I have zero sympathy for these people.
 
2021-10-14 7:02:10 AM  
Thanks Obiden
 
2021-10-14 7:05:43 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."

Exactly! People should just do what they are told  shut up, and get back to work. Bask in the glorious healing light of our leader that you wouldn't trust to handle your tax filing. Amen.


Low energy.  Sad!
 
2021-10-14 7:07:37 AM  
In their defense, most of them are too goddamn stupid to know what a vaccine is.
 
2021-10-14 7:09:27 AM  

NoFarkingName: G. Tarrant:

There's an couple of experienced fellows at my work who have somehow wiggled their way into what I consider an amazing bit of doublethink: they're both vaccinated, yet both are extraordinarily vocal about how useless masks are and how no one should be required to get vaccinated. I view those as opposing stances and can't reconcile them, yet there they are: both trusting in and agitating against research- based evidence.


Wait:  there is evidence that the wearing of masks that aren't rated N95 or better, and often worn incorrectly at that, help to stop respiratory viruses?

I'd actually like to see that, one way or the other.

Because we shut down the farkin' entire country in March of 2020 and COVID still ran rampant, especially in urban areas.

Now, I wear a mask when required because I'm a good little boy, but I'm fully vaccinated and got the shots as early as possible because I know that herd immunity is the way to make this go away, or at least become no more of a concern than a bad flu epidemic (but not a 1918 level of concern).

But if it's not required I don't wear one, and I feel uncomfortable when the "servant class" is required to wear them and I'm not.  By that I mean waiters/waitresses, retail sales people, and pretty much anyone else whose first name is on their shirt at work.

Uncomfortable for them, that is.
 
2021-10-14 7:14:02 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Exactly! People should just do what they are told  shut up, and get back to work


When what they're being told is based on scientific evidence, and they're the people who spent science class peeling glue off their hands and getting fingerblasted by the quarterback in the back of the room, then yes, yes they should.

There's zero reason for them to do "research" (watch shiatty TikTok videos) and try to outthink the smart people who have already done the thinking for them.
 
2021-10-14 7:17:28 AM  

skinink: But thank heaven the TSA agent made me throw away any containers with more than 3 ounces of liquid in it. I may spill it on someone's suede shoes.


The guy in the blue shirt at the airport doesn't make policy.  He is just doing what his boss's boss's boss tells them to do.  I don't understand why that dedication to, "just following the  procedure" doesn't apply to getting vaccinated.
 
2021-10-14 7:22:46 AM  

dittybopper: But if it's not required I don't wear one, and I feel uncomfortable when the "servant class" is required to wear them and I'm not.  By that I mean waiters/waitresses, retail sales people, and pretty much anyone else whose first name is on their shirt at work.


I actually still wear one pretty much whenever I'm out in public for entirely psychological reasons.  Only about 50% of my state is vaccinated and roughly 20% of my state will probably NEVER get vaccinated for various paranoid reasons so for the remaining 30% who are too lazy, too preoccupied (I won't call it busy because it takes 20 minutes) or otherwise not yet vaccinated I'm either a reminder that there is still a disease floating around or making it slightly more socially acceptable to wear a mask.

Also, it makes sense for people in the service industry to wear masks.  One of dozens of customers might spread it to them, but they might spread it to dozens of customers if they catch it.  Rationally, they are the last people who should stop wearing masks.
 
2021-10-14 7:23:28 AM  

Mugato: A week before 9/11 I carried on a bottle of Captain Morgan. On the plane the stewardess saw it and told me to put it away. I'd still be in Gitmo now if I tried that a week later.


Well, no.
You just would not be allowed to take it on the plane.
 
2021-10-14 7:25:14 AM  

dittybopper: NoFarkingName: G. Tarrant:

There's an couple of experienced fellows at my work who have somehow wiggled their way into what I consider an amazing bit of doublethink: they're both vaccinated, yet both are extraordinarily vocal about how useless masks are and how no one should be required to get vaccinated. I view those as opposing stances and can't reconcile them, yet there they are: both trusting in and agitating against research- based evidence.

Wait:  there is evidence that the wearing of masks that aren't rated N95 or better, and often worn incorrectly at that, help to stop respiratory viruses?

I'd actually like to see that, one way or the other.

Because we shut down the farkin' entire country in March of 2020 and COVID still ran rampant, especially in urban areas.

Now, I wear a mask when required because I'm a good little boy, but I'm fully vaccinated and got the shots as early as possible because I know that herd immunity is the way to make this go away, or at least become no more of a concern than a bad flu epidemic (but not a 1918 level of concern).

But if it's not required I don't wear one, and I feel uncomfortable when the "servant class" is required to wear them and I'm not.  By that I mean waiters/waitresses, retail sales people, and pretty much anyone else whose first name is on their shirt at work.

Uncomfortable for them, that is.


Because we shut down the farkin' entire country in March of 2020

No we didn't. Some businesses closed down for two weeks to a month in most locations and a few locations had public lockdowns with various levels of consequences, but in most of the country, many people were still having parties, going to church, going to school, going to the office.
 
2021-10-14 7:27:16 AM  
fark'em.

Automate the shiat out of the process and retain the ones who want to work.

I'm sure there are plenty of well paying jobs for people who have one line saying "ball fondler" on their resumes.
 
2021-10-14 7:28:26 AM  

Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?


Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.
 
2021-10-14 7:31:53 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."


Why would anyone risk letting the flying saucer people read their thoughts with the 5G towers, when a bad case of the liberal hoax virus can be cleared up simply by gargling Lysol with a UV light up your butt?
 
2021-10-14 7:33:14 AM  
I bet the pizza places they all used to work also have vaccine mandates.
 
2021-10-14 7:34:59 AM  
dittybopper:

Wait:  there is evidence that the wearing of masks that aren't rated N95 or better, and often worn incorrectly at that, help to stop respiratory viruses?

I'd actually like to see that, one way or the other.


Yes, and you must have deliberately ignored the numerous times such evidence has been presented on Fark.

Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 - Volume 26, Number 10-October 2020 - Emerging Infectious Diseases journal - CDC

"The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection.....In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use."

Efficacy of face coverings in reducing transmission of COVID-19: Calculations based on models of droplet capture: Physics of Fluids: Vol 33, No 4 (scitation.org)

"three-layered cloth masks can be constructed with comparable filtration performance to surgical masks under ideal conditions."

Evaluation of Cloth Masks and Modified Procedure Masks as Personal Protective Equipment for the Public During the COVID-19 Pandemic | Public Health | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

"Simple modifications can improve the fit and filtration efficiency of medical procedure masks; however, the practical effectiveness of consumer-grade masks available to the public is, in many cases, comparable with or better than their non-N95 respirator medical mask counterparts."

Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks | ACS Nano

"Cotton, the most widely used material for cloth masks performs better at higher weave densities (i.e., thread count) and can make a significant difference in filtration efficiencies....Overall, we find that combinations of various commonly available fabrics used in cloth masks can potentially provide significant protection against the transmission of aerosol particles."

Effectiveness of Mask Wearing to Control Community Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network

"In recent laboratory experiments, multilayer cloth masks were more effective than single-layer masks, blocking as much as 50% to 70% of exhaled small droplets and particles. In some cases, cloth masks have performed similar to surgical or procedure masks for source control."

Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivit​y​_083121.pdf (poverty-action.org)
"In our internal testing, we found that cloth masks with an external layer made of Pellon 931 polyester fusible interface ironed onto interlocking knit with a middle layer of interlocking knit could achieve a 60% filtration efficiency"

If that's not enough for you, I have a bibliography of a couple dozen more studies covering epidemiological, lab experimentation, fluid physics modeling and simulation, and other techniques all demonstrating different aspects of mask filtration efficacy in both ingress and egress modes. This is just all I felt like summarizing right now, since apparently you can't use the Googles.
 
2021-10-14 7:37:32 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?

Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.


Nobody has been able to control Covid there were even cases in Antarctica. Trump's garbage leadership didn't help anything but to think there was any type of executive action that was going to keep Covid away is just wrong.
 
2021-10-14 7:43:14 AM  

RTOGUY: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?

Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.

Nobody has been able to control Covid there were even cases in Antarctica. Trump's garbage leadership didn't help anything but to think there was any type of executive action that was going to keep Covid away is just wrong.


New Zealand, Japan, and other eastern Asian countries would disagree.
 
2021-10-14 7:48:19 AM  

Mugato: A week before 9/11 I carried on a bottle of Captain Morgan. On the plane the stewardess saw it and told me to put it away. I'd still be in Gitmo now if I tried that a week later.


No you wouldn't, there weren't any flights a week later

/that guy
 
2021-10-14 7:51:57 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."

Came in here to express this much less eloquently. Gives you a real window into the intellectual capacity of the average TSA worker.


I work at Lockheed, large engineering and manufacturing facility. 18000 workers. 40% vaccinated. Yesterday anti vaxers greeted me at the gate. Texas but still. Abbott's order doesn't apply on federal land.
 
2021-10-14 7:55:25 AM  
Based on the vibe I get from TSA people I feel like a lot of them could be the type of person that are r/hermancainaward material, like nuts posting nutty conspiracy theories online about the vaccine.
 
2021-10-14 7:58:31 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: RTOGUY: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?

Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.

Nobody has been able to control Covid there were even cases in Antarctica. Trump's garbage leadership didn't help anything but to think there was any type of executive action that was going to keep Covid away is just wrong.

New Zealand, Japan, and other eastern Asian countries would disagree.


If only we all lived on islands in the Pacific. Asia has seen plenty of cases nobody has managed to stay at zero.
 
2021-10-14 8:04:04 AM  

NoFarkingName: G. Tarrant:

There's an couple of experienced fellows at my work who have somehow wiggled their way into what I consider an amazing bit of doublethink: they're both vaccinated, yet both are extraordinarily vocal about how useless masks are and how no one should be required to get vaccinated. I view those as opposing stances and can't reconcile them, yet there they are: both trusting in and agitating against research- based evidence.


Did you see them get vaccinated?

Maybe they're some of the people who bought fake vaccine cards
 
2021-10-14 8:04:22 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?

Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.


I feel bad for Todd that there had to be clarification.
 
2021-10-14 8:11:51 AM  

RTOGUY: hoodiowithtudio: RTOGUY: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Not_Todd: President Halfwit's mandate will result in chaos? Who could foresee that?

Your guy lost.
Get over it.

And if TFG had actually made an effort to control COVID, this mandate would be unnecessary.

Nobody has been able to control Covid there were even cases in Antarctica. Trump's garbage leadership didn't help anything but to think there was any type of executive action that was going to keep Covid away is just wrong.

New Zealand, Japan, and other eastern Asian countries would disagree.

If only we all lived on islands in the Pacific. Asia has seen plenty of cases nobody has managed to stay at zero.


Zero cases is not the metric for success.

If that's the goalpost, there's always gonna be *some* crime, so let's just do away with police, courts, and prisons and let it all play out naturally.
 
2021-10-14 8:13:03 AM  
OMG, who is gonna confiscate all the water bottles, shampoo, and toothpaste now?!
 
2021-10-14 8:14:47 AM  

dittybopper: Because we shut down the farkin' entire country in March of 2020


No, we didn't.
 
2021-10-14 8:15:03 AM  

Parthenogenetic: OMG, who is gonna confiscate all the water bottles, shampoo, and toothpaste now?!


The privatized San Francisco or Florida tsa employees. They aren't government, they are a contracted private security company.

Which is as bad as you think it is.
 
2021-10-14 8:17:48 AM  
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2021-10-14 8:19:29 AM  
Is it just me or does it seem like people in asshole jobs are most likely to be unvaccinated? TSA, Cops, GOP....
 
2021-10-14 8:19:50 AM  
Look, TSA agents can't even remember what IDs are accepted, most things are beyond them.
 
2021-10-14 8:20:17 AM  
Oneiros:

Ah, dang it. Occum's razor, that is.

I hope my optimism hasn't gotten the better of me.
 
2021-10-14 8:20:33 AM  

Jaws_Victim: Barricaded Gunman: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm trying to wrap my head around the decision process behind "My job requires me to be indoors in close quarters with throngs of strangers all day, so I should refuse my best protection against a lethal disease any one -- or more -- of those strangers could be bringing to me. All the while requiring those strangers to take off their shoes because 20 years ago one guy tried to light his on fire."

Came in here to express this much less eloquently. Gives you a real window into the intellectual capacity of the average TSA worker.

This. Myself included, except I'm vaccinated.

Looking forward to losing so many idiots.


Work faster COVID!

Fire 'em.  Replace 'em with contractors that have to be vaccinated.
--King Ron did this with PATCO and was beloved.  Let's see what happens when a D does it.
People will be safer.
Schlubs like me will get more jerbs
Gummint contractors will get more money
 
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