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(Defense One)   Countering decades of evidence otherwise, Archbishop announces that young Catholic men don't have to do anything they're not comfortable with   (defenseone.com) divider line
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2021-10-13 10:26:42 AM  
Don't matter what that priest says - not following orders gets you in trouble. And they'll still vaccinate you after your court martial, so there's that.
 
2021-10-13 10:28:02 AM  

Weaver95: Don't matter what that priest says - not following orders gets you in trouble. And they'll still vaccinate you after your court martial, so there's that.


This about the Church or the Army?
 
2021-10-13 10:29:07 AM  
I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!
 
2021-10-13 10:35:47 AM  
Maybe this guy should get an invite to Rome to have things explained to him. He should go work with the poor in Argentina or Brazil as penance.
 
2021-10-13 10:51:18 AM  
Your opinion means nothing point hat guy.
Actually less than nothing.
 
2021-10-13 10:51:35 AM  
Pope should fire excommunicate him.
 
2021-10-13 10:52:29 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!


The Pope doesn't control the American Catholic Church. They're on the verge of schism
 
2021-10-13 10:53:22 AM  
People were starting to stray from the lord, but these vaccine mandates could be our ticket for more members and money.
 
2021-10-13 10:54:03 AM  
See! All you have to do is tell an religious authority figure "no" and all your problems will disappear!
 
2021-10-13 10:54:13 AM  

Weaver95: Don't matter what that priest says - not following orders gets you in trouble. And they'll still vaccinate you after your court martial, so there's that.


Well if he has the authority to sign religious accommodation waivers, it might cause a bunch of people to suddenly claim they're Catholic.  Looking into the article though, the only shot he mentions by name is J&J, which isn't even the one the military is using.

But they are being very tight on waivers, my reserve unit already had one sudden retirement, and a bunch of people that got it since they have service commitments from transferring their GI Bill to kids.  Still waiting to see how many people end up getting out over it though.
 
2021-10-13 10:54:37 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: Don't matter what that priest says - not following orders gets you in trouble. And they'll still vaccinate you after your court martial, so there's that.

This about the Church or the Army?


Yes.
 
2021-10-13 10:54:50 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!


That is something that bugs me.  Why should a non-employee override my policies and procedures?  Those doctors and priests giving exemptions to things, how do they have jurisdiction over matters at my workplace?
 
2021-10-13 10:56:04 AM  
You remember the whackaloon who said Libs were going to lock up Trumtards in concentration camps? By golly, maybe we should.

"Busses now loading for Camp Stupid, all aboard!"
 
2021-10-13 10:56:59 AM  

NM Volunteer: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

That is something that bugs me.  Why should a non-employee override my policies and procedures?  Those doctors and priests giving exemptions to things, how do they have jurisdiction over matters at my workplace?


Because first amendment.
 
2021-10-13 10:57:12 AM  
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2021-10-13 10:57:28 AM  
Unlike Catholic women who have to carry a pregnancy no matter how uncomfortable, sick or dead it makes them.
 
2021-10-13 10:58:17 AM  
Why does a church have 1.8 million service members across 220 installations?
 
2021-10-13 10:58:47 AM  

DON.MAC: Maybe this guy should get an invite to Rome to have things explained to him. He should go work with the poor in Argentina or Brazil as penance.


The church doesn't work that way. This guy came from a rich family, he gets a rich guy gig.
 
2021-10-13 10:59:19 AM  
No more fingers in the ass? Woulda been nice if they'd decided that 40 years ago when I was a Catholic.
 
2021-10-13 10:59:42 AM  

meat0918: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

The Pope doesn't control the American Catholic Church. They're on the verge of schism


Unfortunately this is too true.  American Catholics are so individualist that they don't really believe in the Church.  They're something else entirely, and while Christianity has always been selective about the parts of the Bible they follow, American Catholics don't even worry about that.  They think belief is good enough to get into heaven, regardless of whatever Jesus said.
 
2021-10-13 11:00:08 AM  

Lord_Baull: NM Volunteer: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

That is something that bugs me.  Why should a non-employee override my policies and procedures?  Those doctors and priests giving exemptions to things, how do they have jurisdiction over matters at my workplace?

Because first amendment.


Which you give up when you sign the contract.
 
2021-10-13 11:00:52 AM  
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith examined these moral concerns and judged that receiving these vaccines 'does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion,' and is therefore not sinful," Broglio's letter reads.

Quoting the Inquisition is always a bad sign.  Claiming that a congregant can feel the inquistion isn't severe enough, for his specific military flock, he says is possible.  What happens after the court martial has been covered.
 
2021-10-13 11:01:18 AM  
I'll keep saying it: We need to rethink 'free exercise'. We need to stop caring about what anybody with a religious conviction of any sort thinks or believes.
 
2021-10-13 11:01:42 AM  
Oooohhh so finally they don't have to touch those icky girls anymore? Wait, we aren't talking about just clergy; sorry.
 
2021-10-13 11:02:00 AM  
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2021-10-13 11:02:16 AM  

meat0918: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

The Pope doesn't control the American Catholic Church. They're on the verge of schism


Splitters!
 
2021-10-13 11:05:35 AM  
Why does the archbishop for the military want us to have a weak, unprepared military?

Also, why is an archbishop for the military a thing?
 
2021-10-13 11:06:43 AM  
A Pope outranks an archbishop and the Pope has already said get vaccinated and all people that work on the Vatican have been vaccinated.
 
2021-10-13 11:07:31 AM  
The Boss doesn't like his underlings contradicting him, Your Excellency.
 
2021-10-13 11:07:46 AM  

Bukharin: [pics.me.me image 500x860]


Yeah, I was gonna ask if altar boys also had the right to refuse doing things they weren't comfortable with
 
2021-10-13 11:09:11 AM  

eurotrader: A Pope outranks an archbishop and the Pope has already said get vaccinated and all people that work on the Vatican have been vaccinated.


These people value their politics far more than their faith. The only reason they're trying to use religious exemption to avoid vaccination is because it's an avenue to continue their childish campaign to somehow prove that Trump didn't bungle the pandemic response.
 
2021-10-13 11:10:23 AM  
Papa needs to come on him hard.  Err come down on him hard.
 
2021-10-13 11:10:35 AM  
But what if they are being told to get it in the butt? Should they do what they're told then, or is that only for Catholic pricks in the bum?
 
2021-10-13 11:10:47 AM  
Will your principles keep you warm in Leavenworth?
 
2021-10-13 11:11:06 AM  

phaseolus: Bukharin: [pics.me.me image 500x860]

Yeah, I was gonna ask if altar boys also had the right to refuse doing things they weren't comfortable with


On an even more fundamental point, should you even "love thy neighbor as yourself" if you're just "not comfortable with it?"

Seems to be a bit of a slippery slope here.
 
2021-10-13 11:11:15 AM  
The idiots who claim a moral objection because the vaccines were tested on abortion-derived cell lines have no idea what a cell line is. They think we're throwing babies into a wood chipper to test on their mangled bodies. In reality, we took some cells from abortions in like the 1970s, and have been reproducing them in a lab ever since. They're cells that were never part of a fetus, they are just the distant descendants of cells that were part of a fetus.
 
2021-10-13 11:11:22 AM  
The celibate policy of the Catholic priesthood has always baffled me. Like why? Who cares if the bishop gets it on with the hawt elderly organist. Where did this idea even originate?
/not Catholic or religious so I know I'm ignorant as to why
 
2021-10-13 11:11:44 AM  
It begins with an explanation of how the "

Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines that were tested using an "abortion-derived cell line"  are still notconsidered sinful by the Catholic church because it is "remote material cooperation with evil."


Yeah, how's that whole raping kids thing going?
 
2021-10-13 11:13:40 AM  

berylman: The celibate policy of the Catholic priesthood has always baffled me. Like why? Who cares if the bishop gets it on with the hawt elderly organist. Where did this idea even originate?
/not Catholic or religious so I know I'm ignorant as to why


It's to stop priests from leaving an inheritance to their heirs and instead pass it back to the church.
 
2021-10-13 11:14:16 AM  

NM Volunteer: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

That is something that bugs me.  Why should a non-employee override my policies and procedures?  Those doctors and priests giving exemptions to things, how do they have jurisdiction over matters at my workplace?


Well for a doctor, you don't have jurisdiction over an employee's body. Their own doctor should be able to override your preference to have them injected with something. You would have to find some other way of addressing your workplace concerns such as additional testing requirements or reassigning that employee to a role with less personal interaction. It sucks that quack doctors are handing out bullshiat exemptions, but that's an issue for the medical licensing boards.

I won't even try to defend a religious exemption. Suck it up, buttercup. Get the shot.
 
2021-10-13 11:15:24 AM  
"sanctity of conscience" is a just-now made up bible term for "do or don't do whatever you feel"

my sanctity of conscience prevents me from obeying speed limits -- I can't bring myself to do it
 
2021-10-13 11:15:40 AM  

berylman: The celibate policy of the Catholic priesthood has always baffled me. Like why? Who cares if the bishop gets it on with the hawt elderly organist. Where did this idea even originate?
/not Catholic or religious so I know I'm ignorant as to why


Back when the Catholic Church was more or less a nation of it's own, they wanted to be sure that priests had loyalty to the church only and they left things to the church, not to their spawn.
 
2021-10-13 11:15:46 AM  
Thats ok. Let them refuse to get vexed. They just get a general discharge.
Problem solved.
 
2021-10-13 11:16:44 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: Don't matter what that priest says - not following orders gets you in trouble. And they'll still vaccinate you after your court martial, so there's that.

This about the Church or the Army?


yes
 
2021-10-13 11:16:58 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Well for a doctor, you don't have jurisdiction over an employee's body. Their own doctor should be able to override your preference to have them injected with something. You would have to find some other way of addressing your workplace concerns such as additional testing requirements or reassigning that employee to a role with less personal interaction.


they already are finding such a way -- canning the assholes
 
2021-10-13 11:17:16 AM  

Ivo Shandor: NM Volunteer: Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!

That is something that bugs me.  Why should a non-employee override my policies and procedures?  Those doctors and priests giving exemptions to things, how do they have jurisdiction over matters at my workplace?

Well for a doctor, you don't have jurisdiction over an employee's body. Their own doctor should be able to override your preference to have them injected with something. You would have to find some other way of addressing your workplace concerns such as additional testing requirements or reassigning that employee to a role with less personal interaction. It sucks that quack doctors are handing out bullshiat exemptions, but that's an issue for the medical licensing boards.

I won't even try to defend a religious exemption. Suck it up, buttercup. Get the shot.


Also, nurses are no longer required to wash their hands if they claim a moral objection or if it gives them dry skin.
 
2021-10-13 11:17:22 AM  
There's one way the Church could make good on this.

Ex-communicate the offenders and start giving their real estate to local churches.

I'm sick of the Catholic Church.  At least they aren't the force they were 300 years ago.
 
2021-10-13 11:17:26 AM  

Sorelian's Ghost: I had no idea that catholic bishops were in the chain of command.

Not only that, his own chain of command THE POPE says get the VAX!


Isn't it Catholic dogma that the Pope is Infallible?

So that makes Catholic Bishops who defies what the Pope says heretics, correct?

Doesn't the church have some sort of position who's job it is to inquire about and root out heresy?  What would that job title be, inquirer, inspector....
 
2021-10-13 11:18:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why does the archbishop for the military want us to have a weak, unprepared military?

Also, why is an archbishop for the military a thing?


So you can try soldiers in a court martial or an ecclesiastical court.
 
2021-10-13 11:19:11 AM  

berylman: The celibate policy of the Catholic priesthood has always baffled me. Like why? Who cares if the bishop gets it on with the hawt elderly organist. Where did this idea even originate?
/not Catholic or religious so I know I'm ignorant as to why


Paul wrote that being celibate allows you to focus on serving the Lord without the distractions of every day life. This was later interpreted (1100s?) to mean that priests should be celibate and not marry.
 
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