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(NPR)   FDA announces that it sees no reason to doubt data helpfully provided by R.J. Reynolds that "proves" e-cigarettes can actually help people quit smoking. Up next: Conclusive studies from Exxon Mobile that oil in ocean water improves seabirds' plumage   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-10-13 8:15:12 AM  
Those cigarette companies are going have to go to e-cigarette or vaping if they want to survive if they haven't already.
 
2021-10-13 8:43:03 AM  

kdawg7736: Those cigarette companies are going have to go to e-cigarette or vaping Marijuana if they want to survive if they haven't already.


/FTFY
 
2021-10-13 10:13:10 AM  
Another anecdote that's not a data point:

I quit after 28 years of smoking and 1 year of vaping when my vape rig broke in the middle of nowhere.

I had some patches in my suitcase, as I was so hooked I would wear a patch on the plane to keep from feeling awful. So I started on the patch, and I decided to continue with it after I got back home, following the patch's taper-off strategy, and I quit without too big of a fuss.
 
2021-10-13 11:07:20 AM  
Helped me quit.

Then the ecig brand I was using got recalled for battery issues, yay.
 
2021-10-13 11:08:39 AM  
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2021-10-13 11:12:49 AM  
MAD Magazine once made a pretty good joke about this sort of thing:


Oil Industry Executive: "Fish like oil. Why do you think they pack sardines in it?"
 
2021-10-13 11:13:06 AM  
Got hypnotized before Desert Storm cause the Army was seriously non smoking.  I pause to laugh at that line.

Now I been smoke free for 30 years and I give at least one fresh egg every...    awk, awk awk....   morning.  Oh!  A double yolker!

He thinks he's a chicken
Why don't you send him to a hospital?
We can't.  We need the eggs
 
2021-10-13 11:13:19 AM  
Sure. The manufacturers (big tobacco companies) that can spend millions on FDA approval are suddenly "helpful." The thousands of other devices from manufacturers that can't pay the bribe but are functionally identical are still "harmful and useless; a scourge on humanity"
 
2021-10-13 11:13:25 AM  
Just don't charge them with USB on your computer. Unless you like Chinese spyware.
 
2021-10-13 11:13:28 AM  
Can't wait for the tobacco companies to order the rural state Congress critters to support legalizing marijuana.

The left already supports it, just need the right-wing on board.
 
2021-10-13 11:13:50 AM  
FDA (and all "consumer" safety government orgs) have always depended on industry studies, subs.   They do very, very little of their own research.   Exact same process goes into your medications and frozen potatoes.

Same as it ever was.
 
2021-10-13 11:16:27 AM  
I can see it both ways.

When I switched to vaping from cigs my body thanked me pretty much immediately. My lung function improved, my sense of smell improved, I stopped coughing all the time, and my body felt better overall - all within 2 weeks of switching. But I was also still getting the nicotine.

I could see it being useful to some folks to help wean themselves off of nicotine entirely. You feel better pretty quickly (at least I did) which will help, and can lower the amount of nicotine in the vapes until you get down to vape juice with no nicotine and then quit.

But also, I could see how it would be easier to also partake in MORE nicotine after switching to vaping. Since there's a lower impact on the body, and more places you can sneak a vape (I can vape inside my house, but not smoke cigs for instance), I could easily see someone not quitting and actually increasing their nicotine intake.

So it's going to be different for different people.
 
2021-10-13 11:16:59 AM  
Facebook just found a bunch of data that shows kids have positive body images after viewing influencers and photoshopped teens just like them.  So happy!  Oh!  Look here!  This data say FB only positively influences elections and creates a good dialog between political parties.  Wait!  Here's data showing clicking on ads help you and makes your computer go super processing fast.
 
2021-10-13 11:17:15 AM  
As someone who smoked a pack every couple of days for a year or two, only to stop smoking cigarettes cold turkey and never look back (outside of having the errant cig or two 1-3 times a year, only when severely inebriated at parties where friends were also smoking, only to vomit on the morning), I feel confident that I have participated in this activity enough to say "smoking is a trash f*cking habit no one would miss if it disappeared tomorrow, and the same goes for e-cigs and vapes" without coming off like a preachy little f*ck
 
2021-10-13 11:18:47 AM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: without coming off like a preachy little f*ck


Fail
 
2021-10-13 11:24:10 AM  

Kriggerel: MAD Magazine once made a pretty good joke about this sort of thing:


Oil Industry Executive: "Fish like oil. Why do you think they pack sardines in it?"



The Onion ran the headline: "Massive Oil Spill Results In Improved Wildlife Viscosity"
 
2021-10-13 11:24:54 AM  
Increased bird viscosity for maximum performance!
 
2021-10-13 11:25:36 AM  
I think that just nicotine, while still addictive, is a lot easier to quit than tobacco.  Tobacco has a lot of fun compounds (MAOIs, etc) besides nicotine that make it very enjoyable.
 
2021-10-13 11:31:25 AM  
Anecdotally, I've been told that it helped people transition to ending nicotine addiction.  At the very least, there is no tar.

Opposing vaping because it services a nicotine addiction is an example of making good the enemy of perfect.
 
2021-10-13 11:35:54 AM  
Tried e-cigs to quit awhile ago. It sucked, didn't scratch the itch, and failed miserably. Plan to try the patches but I don't know if I'm big enough of a condescending prick to be a former smoker that acts holier than though on the subject. I'll start practicing my fake cough for when a spot a smoker outside on the other side of the street. I think I can do this. I think I can be a gigantic asshole if I try hard enough...
 
2021-10-13 11:36:49 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Got hypnotized before Desert Storm cause the Army was seriously non smoking.  I pause to laugh at that line.

Now I been smoke free for 30 years and I give at least one fresh egg every...    awk, awk awk....   morning.  Oh!  A double yolker!

He thinks he's a chicken
Why don't you send him to a hospital?
We can't.  We need the eggs


keep that damn chicken quiet
 
2021-10-13 11:39:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Anecdotally, I've been told that it helped people transition to ending nicotine addiction.  At the very least, there is no tar.

Opposing vaping because it services a nicotine addiction is an example of making good the enemy of perfect.


I'm also of the opinion that, shock of shockers, people, in general, should be able to consume what they want to.
 
2021-10-13 11:39:31 AM  
I've tried it all and always come crawling back to tobacco.
 
2021-10-13 11:40:44 AM  
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2021-10-13 11:42:38 AM  
I was a light smoker off and on for years, switched to vaping about 10 years. I've decided to ween myself off of it and have gradually stepped down from the high nic juice down to the lowest over the last year and a half. I got a free bottle of non-nicotine juice awhile back, so I'll probably puff on that when I get down to my last coil. Figure kicking the physical habit will be almost as hard as the chemical, so I'll split 'em up

I like smoking/vaping but I'm kind of tired of being tied to it
 
2021-10-13 11:43:28 AM  
Imagine if we funded an FDA that could work on behalf of We the People.

/the uberwealthy don't have enough space toys yet so we can't do that
//also, temporarily embarrassed millionaires are super smart and have a grip on reality
 
2021-10-13 11:45:11 AM  
I am sure vaping helps you quit smoking.  You're dropping a bad habit for an equally bad habit with more nicotine.
 
2021-10-13 11:49:22 AM  
And, as a former smoker (pack O day in the 90's), the only way to quit is to quit.  Yes, you'll have a crabby week followed by a crabby month, but then it's over.  The urge to smoke never goes away, I wanted to smoke last week, haven't smoked in years.  The urge is there(probably once a month), but the nicotine grumpiness is long gone.
 
2021-10-13 11:51:43 AM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: As someone who smoked a pack every couple of days for a year or two, only to stop smoking cigarettes cold turkey and never look back (outside of having the errant cig or two 1-3 times a year, only when severely inebriated at parties where friends were also smoking, only to vomit on the morning), I feel confident that I have participated in this activity enough to say "smoking is a trash f*cking habit no one would miss if it disappeared tomorrow, and the same goes for e-cigs and vapes" without coming off like a preachy little f*ck


A good try.....but
 
2021-10-13 11:52:50 AM  
Neat.  People can swap e-cigarettes in for cigarettes.  Kinda like a diabetic drinking Gatorade instead of soda cuz it's healthier.
 
2021-10-13 11:54:04 AM  

stuhayes2010: And, as a former smoker (pack O day in the 90's), the only way to quit is to quit.  Yes, you'll have a crabby week followed by a crabby month, but then it's over.  The urge to smoke never goes away, I wanted to smoke last week, haven't smoked in years.  The urge is there(probably once a month), but the nicotine grumpiness is long gone.


There are many different ways to quit including using patches or oral meds or cold turkey or therapy or other tricks and so on.  The key is to just keep trying until you find one that worked.
 
2021-10-13 12:04:37 PM  
First, a minor rant - they're ELECTRIC cigarettes, not ELECTRONIC. It's strictly using electricity to generate heat.

Private_Citizen: Can't wait for the tobacco companies to order the rural state Congress critters to support legalizing marijuana.
The left already supports it, just need the right-wing on board.


A lot of the tobacco states are already on board with legalized hemp, at least for CBD.
TN and SC still have total bans on it, but most of the South at least allows medical MJ and CBD.
 
2021-10-13 12:05:39 PM  

Subtonic: Tried e-cigs to quit awhile ago. It sucked, didn't scratch the itch, and failed miserably. Plan to try the patches but I don't know if I'm big enough of a condescending prick to be a former smoker that acts holier than though on the subject. I'll start practicing my fake cough for when a spot a smoker outside on the other side of the street. I think I can do this. I think I can be a gigantic asshole if I try hard enough...


No reason to quit to become an a hole....you are already there......
 
2021-10-13 12:15:42 PM  
Meh. It helped me quit once upon a time. No one thinks vaping is 'good'. But as an on again off again two decade smoker it definitely helped me break the habit. Addiction is a biatch and what work for one won't work for another. It's one tool that can be used for the job and many have used it successfully. It would be foolish to cancel that tool unless they are also going to outlaw nicotine altogether.
 
2021-10-13 12:15:43 PM  
" If you stop smoking, you could afford to buy this Kirby vacuum from me."
The boss advised me that isn't a good approach.
 
2021-10-13 12:16:39 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: As someone who smoked a pack every couple of days for a year or two, only to stop smoking cigarettes cold turkey and never look back (outside of having the errant cig or two 1-3 times a year, only when severely inebriated at parties where friends were also smoking, only to vomit on the morning), I feel confident that I have participated in this activity enough to say "smoking is a trash f*cking habit no one would miss if it disappeared tomorrow, and the same goes for e-cigs and vapes" without coming off like a preachy little f*ck


Nah, You sound exactly like a preachy little f*uck.
 
2021-10-13 12:18:15 PM  
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Sure, vaping may have helped some older smokers quit, but it also undid 30 year's work on cessation in the teenage segment.
 
2021-10-13 12:22:09 PM  

stuhayes2010: I am sure vaping helps you quit smoking.  You're dropping a bad habit for an equally bad habit with more nicotine.


You don't know what you're talking about. Cigarette smoke and even the most heavily flavored, high nicotine juices and completely different animals. CO, tar, and the thousands of chemicals in cigarette smoke are not present in any e-cig vapor. You already know that. You don't have to be a scientist. When you stop smoking, and start vaping, all of that crap in your lungs surfaces over the next 2 weeks and then it is gone.

I vape 2mg nicotine unflavored VG. Would be nice to quit that someday, but am not in a huge rush. The effects on the body are NOTHING like smoking cigarettes.
 
2021-10-13 12:28:53 PM  

kdawg7736: Those cigarette companies are going have to go to e-cigarette or vaping if they want to survive if they haven't already.


Not really, they know their market here in the US is shot.  They also know, most of the revenue is now overseas.  More than likely they'll focus their markets there for cigarettes and use e-cigs and marijuana sales here in the future.
 
2021-10-13 12:46:12 PM  

billstewart: First, a minor rant - they're ELECTRIC cigarettes, not ELECTRONIC. It's strictly using electricity to generate heat.

Private_Citizen: Can't wait for the tobacco companies to order the rural state Congress critters to support legalizing marijuana.
The left already supports it, just need the right-wing on board.

A lot of the tobacco states are already on board with legalized hemp, at least for CBD.
TN and SC still have total bans on it, but most of the South at least allows medical MJ and CBD.


You'll know it's fully legal when you can go buy a 5 pack of Marlboro Greens at the local gas station.
 
2021-10-13 12:49:28 PM  

toetag: kdawg7736: Those cigarette companies are going have to go to e-cigarette or vaping if they want to survive if they haven't already.

Not really, they know their market here in the US is shot.  They also know, most of the revenue is now overseas.  More than likely they'll focus their markets there for cigarettes and use e-cigs and marijuana sales here in the future.


Plus, they've diversified in to food production, bullets that can pierce bullet proof vests, "bullet" "proof" vests, surface to air whistles (bad zoom call) and whistles to whistle intercepting whistles (another bad zoom call).
 
2021-10-13 12:51:14 PM  
Someone should check bank accounts to see how much data they were given.
 
2021-10-13 12:56:21 PM  

evilsofa: [Fark user image image 650x460]

Sure, vaping may have helped some older smokers quit, but it also undid 30 year's work on cessation in the teenage segment.


We should ban vapes for minors! Oh wait, don't we already do that?

Outside banning them completely, I don't see what we can do. And there isn't a good excuse for banning vaping but not smoking. And then there's cannabis to think about.
 
2021-10-13 1:04:59 PM  

zippyZRX: Subtonic: Tried e-cigs to quit awhile ago. It sucked, didn't scratch the itch, and failed miserably. Plan to try the patches but I don't know if I'm big enough of a condescending prick to be a former smoker that acts holier than though on the subject. I'll start practicing my fake cough for when a spot a smoker outside on the other side of the street. I think I can do this. I think I can be a gigantic asshole if I try hard enough...

No reason to quit to become an a hole....you are already there......


I said gigantic asshole your drooling idiot! Jesus! I wouldn't break if I saw you crossing the street.
 
2021-10-13 1:05:28 PM  
I haven't had a cigarette in about three months or so and I'm vaping with a Vuse now. I've switched down to the mid-strength nicotine and am eyeing up the lowest strength one to wean myself. I'm still addicted to nicotine.
 
2021-10-13 1:31:19 PM  
My parents quit after the taxes started to make $50 cartons a thing.
 
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2021-10-13 1:52:32 PM  

stuhayes2010: And, as a former smoker (pack O day in the 90's), the only way to quit is to quit.  Yes, you'll have a crabby week followed by a crabby month, but then it's over.  The urge to smoke never goes away, I wanted to smoke last week, haven't smoked in years.  The urge is there(probably once a month), but the nicotine grumpiness is long gone.


I quit cigarettes in 96. Still had cigars occasionally for a while, but usually was just a golfing thing. Stopped that over 10 years ago. I still have dreams where I am smoking.

I have heard that other countries have had more success in using vaping as a way to quitting tobacco and then nicotine. They are usually stricter places on marketing and teen access to vapes though.
 
2021-10-13 2:09:22 PM  
Wellbutrin is used as a smoking cessation aid and it helps. I stumbled on something though, when mixed with DXM (cough medicine) it potentiates the anti smoking properties to the point it stops all smoking within 2 weeks. Apparently, the drug companies also stumbled upon this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropi​o​n/dextromethorphan

Only thing to touch my depression too because the Wellputrin potentiates the anti depressant properties of DXM! (or maybe the other way around)
 
2021-10-13 2:21:29 PM  
eh, vaping helped me quit a $100 a week smoking habit, so I'm happy.
 
2021-10-13 3:02:06 PM  

Geotpf: Rapmaster2000: Anecdotally, I've been told that it helped people transition to ending nicotine addiction.  At the very least, there is no tar.

Opposing vaping because it services a nicotine addiction is an example of making good the enemy of perfect.

I'm also of the opinion that, shock of shockers, people, in general, should be able to consume what they want to.


This is actually why I'm in favor of e-cigarettes. I don't care if they quit or not, I like the e-cigs because they don't stink up the place or expose people other than the smoker to carcinogenics.
 
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