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2021-10-13 8:08:54 AM  
"Random" acts of arson?
 
2021-10-13 8:18:44 AM  
Another result of incoming disparity, and lack of low-income housing
 
2021-10-13 8:26:04 AM  
The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.
 
2021-10-13 8:31:10 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.


It is pitch dark. You are likely to be eaten by a REIT.
 
2021-10-13 8:37:46 AM  
"Right before the pandemic, Peter Holley moved back to his hometown of Austin, Texas, his hometown, and was surprised by what he saw."

Did you say "hometown"?!  Was it his hometown?!

/Seriously, what is the average editor's salary?
/Maybe we could all chip-in...?
 
2021-10-13 8:40:26 AM  
Only read down to maybe the 3rd wuestion and answer.

They really need to proofread, correct and resubmit that article.
 
2021-10-13 8:40:57 AM  

Trik: Only read down to maybe the 3rd question and answer.

They really need to proofread, correct and resubmit that article.


/ftfm
 
2021-10-13 8:42:35 AM  
obvious tag on vacation?
 
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2021-10-13 8:45:15 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "Right before the pandemic, Peter Holley moved back to his hometown of Austin, Texas, his hometown, and was surprised by what he saw."

Did you say "hometown"?!  Was it his hometown?!

/Seriously, what is the average editor's salary?
/Maybe we could all chip-in...?


Bruce Springsteen - My Hometown (Official Video)
Youtube 77gKSp8WoRg
 
2021-10-13 8:46:34 AM  
farking vrbo commercials lately have been annoying as hell.   they make it sound like they are doing some great service to humanity by renting out their house

no motherfarker, you are doing it to make money, not on some humanitarian quest.  stop trying to turn being a capitalist leach into being a hero
 
2021-10-13 8:50:40 AM  
I knew the comments would be full of haters before I even clicked. You privileged little snobs have never lived in a rental neighborhood have you? I'll take an AirBnb over lazy slimy absentee landlords and their even slimier property managers. AirBnbs in my neighborhood have been wonderful and well kept. Long term rentals = slums.
 
2021-10-13 8:51:23 AM  
FTA: The McMansions and large parties are possible because houses that used to be rented for a year by people who live in Austin are now rented for a weekend by people who just visit Austin.

Rent seems to be the common denominator; perhaps we should focus on incentivizing affordable housing that working class people can afford to own.
 
2021-10-13 8:52:24 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.



easy way for landlords to get round b.  they setup as a company and have people listed as "owners" every so many miles apart.
 
2021-10-13 8:54:24 AM  
Sure would be a shame if we let poor people own them instead.

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2021-10-13 8:56:41 AM  
I'm not worried about this happening in my neighborhood because no one would want to vacation here anyway.
 
2021-10-13 8:57:07 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.


They've devastated the Oregon coast.mpst new construction is immediately turned into a VRBO.
 
2021-10-13 8:57:41 AM  

Gramma: I'm not worried about this happening in my neighborhood because no one would want to vacation here anyway.


Same here. Sometimes it's good to be a hillbilly.
 
2021-10-13 8:59:10 AM  
When we bought our two-family, the neighbors across the street asked if we were turning the second apartment into an Airbnb. First of all, no. We have family for that. Secondly, it wasn't really their business. Regardless, I have no interest in ever dealing with being a host. FWIW, every time I have stayed at an Airbnb (3 times in the past 7 years), it's been nicer, cleaner and less expensive than the alternative. A lot of hotels are pretty nasty unless you want to drop a lot of money. No thanks.

/I still do hotels when I can
 
2021-10-13 8:59:16 AM  
My neighborhood isn't near anything interesting.  Nobody would want to vacation here.  Not worried.
 
2021-10-13 8:59:33 AM  
Pocket Ninja:
People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.

Very few people who own vacation homes can afford to leave them vacant most of the time, and nobody would want that.  I personally think owning a beach house would be a huge pain, but some people like that kind of misery.
 
2021-10-13 8:59:36 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: farking vrbo commercials lately have been annoying as hell.   they make it sound like they are doing some great service to humanity by renting out their house

no motherfarker, you are doing it to make money, not on some humanitarian quest.  stop trying to turn being a capitalist leach into being a hero


Capitalist leach? How's that Evergrande thing going in China? Since you have no use for money, then send any you might have to me. OK? FArking Puleeze. You know the housing first facilities are built by corporations whose principals, usually real estate pros, know how to milk the grant money system and MAKE MONEY. You think the builders/developers are doing it for free?
 
2021-10-13 9:02:53 AM  

Chabash: Pocket Ninja: The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.

They've devastated the Oregon coast.mpst new construction is immediately turned into a VRBO.


The Oregon coast was devastated long before there was such a thing as VRBO or AinBnb.
 
2021-10-13 9:06:04 AM  
 
2021-10-13 9:06:19 AM  
So renters are the enemy now? I thought they were the severely impacted masses that congresscritters were trying to save by preventing eeevuul landlords from evicting them.
 
2021-10-13 9:10:48 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The most effective way to stop this sort of thing, and still recognize the right of property owners to rent out properties the own, would be for states and local communities to pass laws and ordinances requiring that a) all properties be approved by a local commission or advisory board before being rented (which is very easy to monitor, since they're listed online) and also b) require that the owner live (permanently) either on the premises or within X miles of it (which allows for people to own, say, one home to live in and one home to rent). The first also ensures that proper taxes are being paid to the local communities, something both Airbnb and VRBO are now being much more conscientious about anyway.

People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.


If you want to disincentivize hoarding rental properties and break up giant property managers, institute a steeply increasing property tax. You get two properties that can pass code as residences, a primary residence and a vacation home/we want to keep Grandma's house in the family.  After that, property taxes go up sharply.
 
2021-10-13 9:11:04 AM  
What about the hotels? Will we be bailing them out?

These AB&Bs are much more attractive than a hotel, at least looking at the Virgin Islands. You are a fool if you use taxis there (like $20 per person to go 5 miles + bags - the extents of the island are 13x3 miles), a rental car is a must anyway. The hotel option for the same amount of money is down in the center of town in a bad area, I was regularly in the area going to school and I rarely walked down there at night.
 
2021-10-13 9:11:08 AM  
We used Air BnB for our European honeymoon. Quality varied but every single bed was rock hard. Nobody would AirBnB where I live. It's a neighborhood full of Polish geriatrics. 5 blocks over you'll get shot for no reason. We get to play gunshots vs fireworks on a nightly basis.

/Buffalo, NY
//our specialties are wings and crippling depression
 
2021-10-13 9:11:57 AM  
These were a major problem here (read: party houses and inflating housing prices). Since then most municipalities have adopted my model ordinance and restrict them by zoning as well. There are still those that try to skirt the rules. Mostly Russians. And the speculation is absolutely nuts, especially after the pandemic. There is a balancing act that must be done between outright bans (as near as legally possible, still waiting on court cases to be resolved, Slice of Life case being most notable to enable this) and letting them run wild. I am so sick to death of dealing with them i don't know why I'm talking about it now.
 
2021-10-13 9:12:36 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Sure would be a shame if we let poor people own them instead.

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Dr Harold News is a parody account, BTW.
 
2021-10-13 9:13:48 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "Right before the pandemic, Peter Holley moved back to his hometown of Austin, Texas, his hometown, and was surprised by what he saw."

Did you say "hometown"?!  Was it his hometown?!

/Seriously, what is the average editor's salary?
/Maybe we could all chip-in...?


You want to chip in to pay a Texas Monthly senior editor's salary?   I don't know where you'll find the money since you're obviously already chipping in to pay the salaries of New Yorker senior editors and those at Barron's.   By the way, I'll be happy to manage any donations your doing.
 
2021-10-13 9:14:07 AM  

EvilEgg: Pocket Ninja:
People will complain about the B step meaning that landlords can't build large empires of rental properties across the nation. That's correct. Because fark those assholes, they're the ones ruining local communities exactly as this article is describing.

Very few people who own vacation homes can afford to leave them vacant most of the time, and nobody would want that.  I personally think owning a beach house would be a huge pain, but some people like that kind of misery.


This right here.  We are close to being able to afford a beach home, but the taxes and upkeep would be a huge expense every year.  We would have to rent it up to half of the year.  Don't want the hassle.
And no, it's not really somewhere low income people would want to or should want to live.  It's on the beach and is a hurricane away from poof.   That means high insurance, also local schools are crap.
 
2021-10-13 9:15:15 AM  
Terlingua is getting hit. Except it's not McMansions it's wooden A-Frames and glamping yurts. My only hope is the land swallows the glampers up and they never return.

Then again I am tempted to spend 10K on 25 acres of land, park a shiatty RV on it, hang some Christmas lights and use some pastel paints, rent it out for $125/night. Get some cheap solar panels for phone charging. Water is scarce, please use our $3 sustainable bottles.

Ugh. No wonder people go and live in the woods to forage for bugs.
 
2021-10-13 9:15:37 AM  

Lvl 19 bureaucrat: FTA: The McMansions and large parties are possible because houses that used to be rented for a year by people who live in Austin are now rented for a weekend by people who just visit Austin.

Rent seems to be the common denominator; perhaps we should focus on incentivizing affordable housing that working class people can afford to own.


That's the answer but this AirBnB boom in your way to do it.

FTA: The city gets to take a 9 percent tax right off the top of every short-term rental. Another 6 percent tax goes to the state.

You have a sixth of your housing stock renting at easily 3-5 times market rate, and a revenue stream, of 10% of that to create affordable housing.

That's enough to ex[and your housing stock by around 5-8% per year (not counting construction lag)Let that play out for five or six years, you have affordable housing in plenty and a great ongoing revenue stream
 
2021-10-13 9:16:10 AM  

SBinRR: Gramma: I'm not worried about this happening in my neighborhood because no one would want to vacation here anyway.

Same here. Sometimes it's good to be a hillbilly.


I live in the city, but unless your vacation plans involve the CDC museum (which I'm told is actually an interesting museum), there's not much to see around here.

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2021-10-13 9:17:04 AM  

Jadedgrl: We used Air BnB for our European honeymoon. Quality varied but every single bed was rock hard. Nobody would AirBnB where I live. It's a neighborhood full of Polish geriatrics. 5 blocks over you'll get shot for no reason. We get to play gunshots vs fireworks on a nightly basis.


Last time I stayed in a supposedly nice hotel on the devastated Oregon coast, the bed was a saggy nightmare and I could feel the springs poking in my back. The steel self closing doors would slam shut every 10 minutes all night long but at least you had warning of that by the loud drunks walking down the hall. And the room was more than an AirBnb would have been. Fark hotels.
 
2021-10-13 9:19:12 AM  

encephlavator: I knew the comments would be full of haters before I even clicked. You privileged little snobs have never lived in a rental neighborhood have you? I'll take an AirBnb over lazy slimy absentee landlords and their even slimier property managers. AirBnbs in my neighborhood have been wonderful and well kept. Long term rentals = slums.


You are SOOOOOO Edgy.

being a long term renter, you can go easily fark right off.
 
2021-10-13 9:19:13 AM  

encephlavator: Jadedgrl: We used Air BnB for our European honeymoon. Quality varied but every single bed was rock hard. Nobody would AirBnB where I live. It's a neighborhood full of Polish geriatrics. 5 blocks over you'll get shot for no reason. We get to play gunshots vs fireworks on a nightly basis.

Last time I stayed in a supposedly nice hotel on the devastated Oregon coast, the bed was a saggy nightmare and I could feel the springs poking in my back. The steel self closing doors would slam shut every 10 minutes all night long but at least you had warning of that by the loud drunks walking down the hall. And the room was more than an AirBnb would have been. Fark hotels.


Hotels would be totally fine without all of the other people staying in them.
 
2021-10-13 9:21:47 AM  

encephlavator: Last time I stayed in a supposedly nice hotel on the devastated Oregon coast, the bed was a saggy nightmare and I could feel the springs poking in my back.


You did not stay in a supposedly nice hotel.  I haven't been in a Starwood, Hyatt, or Marriot property in the last 15 years that didn't have a stellar bed.
 
2021-10-13 9:22:11 AM  
And then the porno shoots started...
 
2021-10-13 9:22:28 AM  

Jadedgrl: /Buffalo, NY
//our specialties are wings and crippling depression


You left out "getting shiatfaced at Bills games".
 
2021-10-13 9:22:36 AM  

BitwiseShift: Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "Right before the pandemic, Peter Holley moved back to his hometown of Austin, Texas, his hometown, and was surprised by what he saw."

Did you say "hometown"?!  Was it his hometown?!

/Seriously, what is the average editor's salary?
/Maybe we could all chip-in...?

You want to chip in to pay a Texas Monthly senior editor's salary?   I don't know where you'll find the money since you're obviously already chipping in to pay the salaries of New Yorker senior editors and those at Barron's.   By the way, I'll be happy to manage any donations your doing.


*you're

/I'm donating my time and talent; not my treasure.
😀
 
2021-10-13 9:24:33 AM  
The irony is I just hit AirBnB last week for a major city and the best listings were boutique hotels at about $150/night.

/Hilton loyalty was $130
//hotels are cheap right now
/// flights too
 
2021-10-13 9:26:16 AM  

encephlavator: Jadedgrl: We used Air BnB for our European honeymoon. Quality varied but every single bed was rock hard. Nobody would AirBnB where I live. It's a neighborhood full of Polish geriatrics. 5 blocks over you'll get shot for no reason. We get to play gunshots vs fireworks on a nightly basis.

Last time I stayed in a supposedly nice hotel on the devastated Oregon coast, the bed was a saggy nightmare and I could feel the springs poking in my back. The steel self closing doors would slam shut every 10 minutes all night long but at least you had warning of that by the loud drunks walking down the hall. And the room was more than an AirBnb would have been. Fark hotels.


In Paris, there was some kind of error where the hotel we were supposed to stay at was booked. There was something going on in the city so hotel space was almost non existent. We ended up staying somewhere that likely charged by the hour. We got the room by the ancient loud ass elevator that was in use all night. Nothing in the room but a bed and a nightstand. Bathroom was surprisingly big but so close to the bed you could not open the door all the way.There were weird stains on the carpet and I woke up with a rash up and down my lower leg. Luckily it went away but god only knows what caused it.
 
2021-10-13 9:26:49 AM  
I'm absolutely going to be airbnb'ing my current place out when the kids go off to college/work/whatever.  If you're in a city with demand for it, there's no reason not to.  Can easily pay for my travel expenses as I enjoy early retirement.

/off to buy more ABNB stock
 
2021-10-13 9:29:07 AM  

Miss_Dorothy_Kilgallen: "Right before the pandemic, Peter Holley moved back to his hometown of Austin, Texas, his hometown, and was surprised by what he saw."

Did you say "hometown"?!  Was it his hometown?!

/Seriously, what is the average editor's salary?
/Maybe we could all chip-in...?


Spell-check is free.
 
2021-10-13 9:29:13 AM  

Lvl 19 bureaucrat: FTA: The McMansions and large parties are possible because houses that used to be rented for a year by people who live in Austin are now rented for a weekend by people who just visit Austin.

Rent seems to be the common denominator; perhaps we should focus on incentivizing affordable housing that working class people can afford to own.


We should eliminate renting all together. All properties must be owned by the occupant. Eliminate homelessness and landlords in one go.
 
2021-10-13 9:30:32 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Sure would be a shame if we let poor people own them instead.


The Economist was sort of taking this position back during the Clinton administration.  Even ignoring the fallacy that something can forever increase in value above the inflation rate (and ignoring the simple fact that when it comes crashing down the further you let it balloon the worse the crash) their conclusion was that it was not good for the overall economy.  Policies that continuously try and push home prices up just hurt the many and help a few.
 
2021-10-13 9:31:10 AM  

Mystwalk: encephlavator: I knew the comments would be full of haters before I even clicked. You privileged little snobs have never lived in a rental neighborhood have you? I'll take an AirBnb over lazy slimy absentee landlords and their even slimier property managers. AirBnbs in my neighborhood have been wonderful and well kept. Long term rentals = slums.

You are SOOOOOO Edgy.

being a long term renter, you can go easily fark right off.


Admit it, you're a property manager because that's exactly the kind of attitude I'd expect from one. What's wrong? Your neighbors turn you in for a code violation? Well maybe get your weeds mowed and maybe put your garbage in the garbage can. Those washer and fridges in your yard, all you have to do is call your garbage collection company for a special pick up instead of you know, leaving them there for months. Go rent somewhere else.
 
2021-10-13 9:32:36 AM  

MBooda: So renters are the enemy now? I thought they were the severely impacted masses that congresscritters were trying to save by preventing eeevuul landlords from evicting them.


They won't get their 'vid shots since they don't have to work.
 
2021-10-13 9:32:56 AM  

encephlavator: Mystwalk: encephlavator: I knew the comments would be full of haters before I even clicked. You privileged little snobs have never lived in a rental neighborhood have you? I'll take an AirBnb over lazy slimy absentee landlords and their even slimier property managers. AirBnbs in my neighborhood have been wonderful and well kept. Long term rentals = slums.

You are SOOOOOO Edgy.

being a long term renter, you can go easily fark right off.

Admit it, you're a property manager because that's exactly the kind of attitude I'd expect from one. What's wrong? Your neighbors turn you in for a code violation? Well maybe get your weeds mowed and maybe put your garbage in the garbage can. Those washer and fridges in your yard, all you have to do is call your garbage collection company for a special pick up instead of you know, leaving them there for months. Go rent somewhere else.


Huh? They literally said they were a long-term renter. It's the very first thing they said.
 
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