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2021-10-11 11:38:16 PM  
There is a non-zero chance that we did exactly that tens of thousands of years ago subby. We really are that awful and have been for a minute or two.
 
2021-10-12 3:11:39 AM  
Only one species can occupy a given eco-niche at a time so if the other hominid and australopithecine had survived they'd have to do so somewhere H. sapien sapein is not. And H. sapien neanderthalensis didn't so much go extinct as it was assimilated into H. sapien sapien's genepool.
 
2021-10-12 4:15:04 AM  

TwowheelinTim: There is a non-zero chance that we did exactly that tens of thousands of years ago subby. We really are that awful and have been for a minute or two.


How awful we are is measurable only in the fact that it takes so little effort to do it. And holding grudges.

Hyenas and lions have zero issues trying to kill eachother if the scenario presents itself. The only reason it doesn't work in a coordinated genocide is because they don't grudge. A gang of hyenas will try to kill a lion, but a lion is large and also a pack species and support themselves. And hyenas are faster than lions.

Nature and natural selection really farked up that primates got to the point that we are. Chimpanzees will go on hunting missions for revenge. Gorrillas have been known to kill kids when a troupe change has happened with not enough pushback.
 
2021-10-12 4:27:18 AM  
What's this "would have" bullcrap?

We totally would have killed them.
 
2021-10-12 4:43:51 AM  
Killed them, farked them, or both. In no particular order.
 
2021-10-12 4:53:30 AM  
Killed them?  No.  Oh, some for sure, but only enough to win the war.  The rest would have been enslaved.
 
2021-10-12 5:10:51 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Gorrillas have been known to kill kids when a troupe change has happened with not enough pushback.


The males of  a lot of species will kill babies, so that the female will come back into heat sooner.  It's for power and mating purposes, not really genocide.  The male wants to make lots more babies.  But his own.
 
2021-10-12 5:45:41 AM  
Doesn't the grand tradition of racism among our species answer this question?
 
2021-10-12 5:48:25 AM  
Go to a Denny's after midnight on a Friday and there's a good chance you will see an Australopithecus and a Neanderthal enjoying a grand slam breakfast while arguing about who punched who first at the strippy club.
 
2021-10-12 5:59:37 AM  

Valter: What's this "would have" bullcrap?

We totally would have killed them.

turboke: Killed them, farked them, or both. In no particular order.


Given our genetic records, it would seem there was at least a preferred order...

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: Killed them?  No.  Oh, some for sure, but only enough to win the war.  The rest would have been enslaved.


Killed, enslaved, farked, or some combination thereof.  Our tech gets better, our culture spreads.  But we, as animals, never really get rid of that darker side of ourselves.

//In before "aliens"
 
2021-10-12 6:50:42 AM  
However, also - FTFA: "As a society, we tolerate displaying chimps and gorillas in cages but would be uncomfortable doing this to each other."

Pretty sure the predominate primate put in cages globally are humans...
 
2021-10-12 6:55:47 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: However, also - FTFA: "As a society, we tolerate displaying chimps and gorillas in cages but would be uncomfortable doing this to each other."

Pretty sure the predominate primate put in cages globally are humans...


Absolutely true.
 
2021-10-12 7:49:53 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: However, also - FTFA: "As a society, we tolerate displaying chimps and gorillas in cages but would be uncomfortable doing this to each other."

Pretty sure the predominate primate put in cages globally are humans...


There is a pretty reasonable explanation for why we don't place humans in cages at zoos.  It starts with the British and their dislike of slavery after being the biggest benefactor of it.
 
2021-10-12 7:54:29 AM  
Neanderthals, Denisovians, Jews, Florensis man.  All terrible tragedies, but in the end, human evolution is about survival of the fittest.
 
2021-10-12 7:58:19 AM  
Given that the human propensity for violence is exceeded only by our horniness, it's more likely that we would have just drowned them in the gene pool through intermarriage and breeding in a millenia-long evolutionary bukkake.
 
2021-10-12 8:33:44 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: However, also - FTFA: "As a society, we tolerate displaying chimps and gorillas in cages but would be uncomfortable doing this to each other."

Pretty sure the predominate primate put in cages globally are humans...


And frankly, we did have humans displayed in zoos for quite a while. The 1800s were... A weird time...
 
2021-10-12 9:17:00 AM  

American-Irish eyes: There is a pretty reasonable explanation for why we don't place humans in cages at zoos.


We did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ot​a_Beng​a
 
2021-10-12 9:17:31 AM  
If Homo erectus was still around, racism would be vastly worse. I doubt even the most progressive would H. sapiens would fail to be racist especially with humans existing that would not be equal. I doubt that anything resembling democracy would develop in that kind of society unless democracy developed before contact was made.

As for Australopithecus afarensis, it would probably be classified as just another animal. And creationists would demand a "missing link" if it was the only other hominin alive.

Neandertals seem to have been at least as smart as we are. Though there would be differences including the possibility if pronunciation of different set of sounds.
 
2021-10-12 1:05:58 PM  

Baron Harkonnen: Neanderthals, Denisovians, Jews, Florensis man.  All terrible tragedies, but in the end, human evolution is about survival of the fittest.


I read that as "Florida Man".  The sentence still works, though.  Maybe even better.
 
2021-10-12 1:29:33 PM  

turboke: Killed them, farked them, or both. In no particular order.


It was both as evidenced by traces of their DNA in ours. And the fact that they're long gone and we're still here pillaging.
 
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