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(The Daily Beast)   Nobel Peace Prize to be renamed Nobel Fark You Prize after latest awards announced   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2021-10-08 8:56:28 AM  
I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.
 
2021-10-08 9:13:14 AM  

FrancoFile: But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.


You mean blow up shiat with dynamite?
 
2021-10-08 9:18:19 AM  
My headline, congratulating someone with whom I went to grade school and high school was redlit, so here's Maria Ressa's Most Likely To Succeed picture from the Toms River North High School yearbook, 1982.

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2021-10-08 9:29:00 AM  
is intended as a direct insult.

No. Dudes like Putin and Duerte are forgettable and are a dime a dozen in history. That's what the Prize is about: the people who will be remembered as effectively standing against them.  Nobody gives a shiat who the president of South Africa was when Mandela was in the process of earning his, and it certainly wasn't awarded to him as a way of insulting whoever it was--that's merely a spillover benefit.
 
2021-10-08 9:52:18 AM  
Obama's award was a FU to Bush-Cheney.
 
2021-10-08 9:52:49 AM  
The Nobel Peace Prize has been an antagonistic joke since at least 1973 when it was awarded to Henry Kissinger.
 
2021-10-08 9:53:16 AM  
Putin: We start own Russian Nobel Prize with vodak and hookers!
 
2021-10-08 9:55:07 AM  
They did the thing, they got the award. If it's a fark you to Putin it says more about him than it does the prize or the people getting it.
 
2021-10-08 9:56:25 AM  
Any FU to Putin is an FU from me.
 
2021-10-08 9:58:58 AM  
So why does the male winner get his publication named and is in the first part of the sentence, while his female counterpart, is mentioned almost as a side note with no name of what she founded? Also why is 90% of this article about Putin and Duterte and not about the winners?
 
2021-10-08 9:59:05 AM  
I seriously doubt Putin dreams of winning the peace prize himself. I cannot think of a single time Putin has even attempted to mediate, resolve, or even avoid a conflict.
 
2021-10-08 9:59:27 AM  
That'll change when the Nobel Commission finds out Deutsche Bank bought up all their debt.

Still waiting for Traitor Tot to announce his Noble Prizes in a twitter from a Trailways motel room in New Jersey

Noble Prize for Presidenting....   My daddy!
Noble Prize for Golfing.....   My daddy!
Noble Prize for Best Dress....    Oh wow!  My daddy!

Call me daddy.  The ATM ate my credit card and I'm down to snorting motel soap!  Honey!   There goes the maid!  Grab some more soap!
 
2021-10-08 10:00:20 AM  
The joint winners are a pair of journalists known as the bête noirs of two of the world's most despotic, democratically elected leaders. Make no mistake; elevating the top critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte is intended as a direct insult.

Good.
 
2021-10-08 10:01:21 AM  
FTFA: She was thrown in jail last year under spurious circumstances after her website refused to tow Duterte's line.

TOE THE LINE GODDAMMIT I HATE YOU SO MUCH
 
2021-10-08 10:01:51 AM  
Nobel Prize committee Novichok poisonings coming soon!
 
2021-10-08 10:03:14 AM  

BooksontheBrain: So why does the male winner get his publication named and is in the first part of the sentence, while his female counterpart, is mentioned almost as a side note with no name of what she founded? Also why is 90% of this article about Putin and Duterte and not about the winners?


Because Daily Beast is shiat.

Here's BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-588419​7​3
And Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/worl​d/philippi​nes-journalist-ressa-russian-journalis​t-muratov-win-2021-nobel-peace-2021-10​-08/
 
2021-10-08 10:07:03 AM  
This Nobel Prize committee has just made one of the most aggressively political statements in its history by awarding the Peace Prize to two known enemies of powerful, serving heads of state.

Are you farking with us? "Once again, the Nobel PEACE prize WASN'T awarded to a dictator or a tyrant. What's up with THAT?"
 
2021-10-08 10:12:49 AM  
Everything is stiggin' it or trolling now.  Soulless bot out front should have told you.
 
2021-10-08 10:13:55 AM  

FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.


Things change. And had Nobel seen back then what autocrats like Putin or Duterte were capable of, he'd probably written a broader definition.
As far as I'm concerned, a journalist exposing such wrongdoings in the face of likely repercussions does quite a lot in terms of "printing fraternity between nations" because people don't lose hope in the people living in such autocracies or start believing that they are all like the crap swimming on top.
 
2021-10-08 10:15:11 AM  

Paddy: FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.

Things change. And had Nobel seen back then what autocrats like Putin or Duterte were capable of, he'd probably written a broader definition.
As far as I'm concerned, a journalist exposing such wrongdoings in the face of likely repercussions does quite a lot in terms of "printing fraternity between nations" because people don't lose hope in the people living in such autocracies or start believing that they are all like the crap swimming on top.


...promoting...
 
Juc
2021-10-08 10:17:41 AM  
Giving the peace prize to putin would be mighty weird. Why's that even a point of consideration?
 
2021-10-08 10:19:24 AM  
More like "Nobel Male Prize"
 
2021-10-08 10:23:28 AM  

FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.


Are you farking serious you moron?

He realized his realized his creation of Dynamite would mean he, Nobel, was remembered for death and war. So he created the Nobel peace prize to signify those who promoted peace.

So if people who loudly fight against dictators as journalists who promote war and death in their psychopathic schemes to hold onto money and power regardless of how many lives it might cost...yeah I totally understand at a historical level that you don't Nobel's intentions.

And with a comment like that maybe I should ask how much your humanity hating ass is being paid in rubles?
 
2021-10-08 10:25:12 AM  

gonegirl: FTFA: She was thrown in jail last year under spurious circumstances after her website refused to tow Duterte's line.

TOE THE LINE GODDAMMIT I HATE YOU SO MUCH


We should contact the attorney generals to sue them into compliance.
 
2021-10-08 10:25:33 AM  
They've been doing that for a while now, at least since 1997
 
2021-10-08 10:30:05 AM  

FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.


Literal "peace" did not necessarily follow in his wake, either

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....but except for the temper tantrums of a**holes, his ideas made for a better, more peaceful world -- at least where his principles have been followed.
 
2021-10-08 10:30:10 AM  

Metastatic Capricorn: My headline, congratulating someone with whom I went to grade school and high school was redlit, so here's Maria Ressa's Most Likely To Succeed picture from the Toms River North High School yearbook, 1982.

[Fark user image 380x620]


Whatever happened to Dave Harland?
 
2021-10-08 10:32:31 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: They've been doing that for a while now, at least since 1997


*reads article.

Good. Fully in the orginal spirit of the Nobel peace prize.
 
2021-10-08 10:35:42 AM  
So based on precedence, by next year they'll be ordering drone strikes or starting ethnic cleansing.
 
Juc
2021-10-08 10:38:13 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: So based on precedence, by next year they'll be ordering drone strikes or starting ethnic cleansing.


this time I think they didn't screw it up.
 
2021-10-08 10:42:44 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Putin: We start own Russian Nobel Prize with vodak and hookers!


~ and Republicans.
 
2021-10-08 10:47:48 AM  

WDFark think for a second: FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.

Are you farking serious you moron?

He realized his realized his creation of Dynamite would mean he, Nobel, was remembered for death and war. So he created the Nobel peace prize to signify those who promoted peace.

So if people who loudly fight against dictators as journalists who promote war and death in their psychopathic schemes to hold onto money and power regardless of how many lives it might cost...yeah I totally understand at a historical level that you don't Nobel's intentions.

And with a comment like that maybe I should ask how much your humanity hating ass is being paid in rubles?



Uh, you have me completely wrong.  I was a cold warrior when I was 14, took Russian in college, started working DoD jobs when I was 19, spent 2 years working in Russia after the fall of the communism and saw all the cultural and political problems starting to develop that still afflict the country today.  Putin is a monster; you can take the chelevek out of the KGB, you can't take the KGB out of the chelevek.

Nobel became a pacifist after seeing the horrible ways his invention was used in wartime.  He intended the peace prize to reward statesmen who ended wars and who eliminated the tensions that led to wars.  The prize had nothing to do with promoting democracy or good governance, but only with preventing international bloodshed.

Now if one of those journalists published the materials that led to Russia withdrawing from Crimea and pulling its irregular forces out of eastern Ukraine, that would fit into Nobel's vision of what the prize is supposed to do.
 
2021-10-08 10:48:21 AM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: So based on precedence, by next year they'll be ordering drone strikes or starting ethnic cleansing.


Want to know how I know you never read the article?
 
2021-10-08 10:51:35 AM  
Wow I guess this really chapped Putin's ass.

All the Russian paid GRU contractor trolls are out in force to insult this decision.

Just more historical proof it was a very good decision.
 
2021-10-08 11:01:45 AM  

WDFark think for a second: ...blah blah blah...


Dude, it's enough alright? Put your pants back on and take five.
 
2021-10-08 11:02:34 AM  

FrancoFile: WDFark think for a second: FrancoFile: I understand their motivation, and I admire the work of the two laureates.

But this is not at all in keeping with what Alfred Nobel intended the prize to do.

Are you farking serious you moron?

He realized his realized his creation of Dynamite would mean he, Nobel, was remembered for death and war. So he created the Nobel peace prize to signify those who promoted peace.

So if people who loudly fight against dictators as journalists who promote war and death in their psychopathic schemes to hold onto money and power regardless of how many lives it might cost...yeah I totally understand at a historical level that you don't Nobel's intentions.

And with a comment like that maybe I should ask how much your humanity hating ass is being paid in rubles?


Uh, you have me completely wrong.  I was a cold warrior when I was 14, took Russian in college, started working DoD jobs when I was 19, spent 2 years working in Russia after the fall of the communism and saw all the cultural and political problems starting to develop that still afflict the country today.  Putin is a monster; you can take the chelevek out of the KGB, you can't take the KGB out of the chelevek.

Nobel became a pacifist after seeing the horrible ways his invention was used in wartime.  He intended the peace prize to reward statesmen who ended wars and who eliminated the tensions that led to wars.  The prize had nothing to do with promoting democracy or good governance, but only with preventing international bloodshed.

Now if one of those journalists published the materials that led to Russia withdrawing from Crimea and pulling its irregular forces out of eastern Ukraine, that would fit into Nobel's vision of what the prize is supposed to do.


You can't really separate those things. I mean...apparently you can, but as a practical matter they're intertwined.
 
2021-10-08 11:05:05 AM  
Putin, who craves respect from the international community, dreams of winning the Peace Prize himself. Someone even nominated him this year-although the Kremlin claims to have absolutely no idea who submitted his name.

Actual quote about this from Kremlin: "Yeah, we have no idea who this John Barron guy is."
 
2021-10-08 11:09:12 AM  

Cyberluddite: Putin, who craves respect from the international community, dreams of winning the Peace Prize himself. Someone even nominated him this year-although the Kremlin claims to have absolutely no idea who submitted his name.

Actual quote about this from Kremlin: "Yeah, we have no idea who this John Barron guy is."


I assumed it was either Chet Americanman or that patriotic Russian, Padamir Vlutin.
 
2021-10-08 11:11:39 AM  
This is cool but the committee probably just signed the dude's death certificate.
 
2021-10-08 11:13:37 AM  

Aquapope: Metastatic Capricorn: My headline, congratulating someone with whom I went to grade school and high school was redlit, so here's Maria Ressa's Most Likely To Succeed picture from the Toms River North High School yearbook, 1982.

[Fark user image 380x620]

Whatever happened to Dave Harland?


Good question. The few folk with whom I have kept in touch don't seem to know. Certainly, Maria has set the bar unreasonably high.

Quothe my brother concerning the news: "Yeah... seems like you're not even trying to get a Nobel Prize."
 
2021-10-08 11:21:01 AM  

WDFark think for a second: Dr. Nick Riviera: So based on precedence, by next year they'll be ordering drone strikes or starting ethnic cleansing.

Want to know how I know you never read the article?


It was a joke.  We like to do that around these parts.
 
2021-10-08 11:39:06 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Putin: We start own Russian Nobel Prize with vodak and hookers!


They've got, IIRC, The Order of Lenin that they use in such a way. Awarded to people who have been enormous asshats in the service of Russia.
 
2021-10-08 11:41:08 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Putin: We start own Russian Nobel Prize with vodak and hookers!


More like the entire Nobel committee falling down some stairs onto polonium bullets.
 
2021-10-08 11:58:06 AM  
The Nobel Committee? How many divisions have they got?
 
2021-10-08 12:13:08 PM  

BooksontheBrain: So why does the male winner get his publication named and is in the first part of the sentence, while his female counterpart, is mentioned almost as a side note with no name of what she founded? Also why is 90% of this article about Putin and Duterte and not about the winners?


Because the writers of the article aren't journalists like those awarded the prizes. The writers of the piece are copy-pasters, so it's easy for them to ctrl-C Ctrl-V to their hearts content with information about Putin and Duterte. If they wanted to learn more about Muratov and Ressa, they would actually have to do some investigative journalism work and perhaps call some bureau heads based in Moscow and Manila, for example.
 
2021-10-08 12:42:57 PM  
Nobel became a pacifist after seeing the horrible ways his invention was used in wartime.  He intended the peace prize to reward statesmen who ended wars and who eliminated the tensions that led to wars.  The prize had nothing to do with promoting democracy or good governance, but only with preventing international bloodshed.

[...]


Lochsteppe:
You can't really separate those things. I mean...apparently you can, but as a practical matter they're intertwined.


The Peace Prize has more often than not gone to some rather despicable people; because those who are in a position to end wars and ease tensions frequently have a lot of blood on their own hands and were the source, or at least an influence, of many of those tensions.


Dammit, it's not so eloquent when I say it. Who was it that told me this?
 
2021-10-08 6:45:15 PM  

Pincy: This is cool but the committee probably just signed the dude's death certificate.


Muratov and the rest of the Novaya Gazeta staff already had huge targets on them.  The Nobel means that there will be magnified publicity if anything awful happens, which may help to stay the Kremlin's hand.  That's why Muratov referred to it as a "shield".  Ressa's situation functions similarly.
 
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