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(Irish Post US)   Meat lovers of the world rejoice, scientists have discovered that bacon, sausages and steak are all safe to eat as long as you have them every other day   (irishpost.com) divider line
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2021-10-07 8:07:08 PM  
I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.

I'm old and dammit, I'm going to eat what I want. That said, I do eat a lot of soups and salad.

/ I do like meat
 
2021-10-07 8:29:59 PM  

Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.


Blame the media for oversimplifying research findings into a soundbite that they can then extrapolate whole entire realms of conjecture upon

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2021-10-07 9:50:36 PM  
Unacceptable!
 
2021-10-07 10:26:17 PM  
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Mmmmmmmmmmm...
 
2021-10-07 11:56:20 PM  
Meat consumption is bad for the planet
 
2021-10-07 11:58:36 PM  
Cool. I'll eat them every other day but Good Friday 1957.
 
2021-10-08 12:05:36 AM  

king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet


If we don't eat it it will just rot and stink up the Piggly WIggly even more, and nobody wants that, so eating meat is good for everybody.
 
2021-10-08 12:15:14 AM  
Steak for dinner sometime soon.  Boffo.
 
2021-10-08 12:15:42 AM  
Cattle drovers moved thousands of cows back and forth repeatedly, ate oats and beans

So much for the macho element of carnivore diets.
 
2021-10-08 12:28:39 AM  
So a 75% cutback for most Americans.
 
2021-10-08 12:36:00 AM  
Argentinians: "[words that get you banned from hosting soccer games]"

*goes back to being happy with meat*
 
2021-10-08 12:47:27 AM  
Thats great news now that a nice steak is around 15 bucks at the market...
 
2021-10-08 12:58:01 AM  
Sleep counts as a day.
 
2021-10-08 2:07:07 AM  
Just eat food that comes from as close to the source as possible. Move your body, try not to stress out too much, and you'll most likely be fine.
 
2021-10-08 2:24:32 AM  
But how else am I'm going to make myself feel better than you?

king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet


Got it
 
2021-10-08 2:32:36 AM  
FTFA:

He said: "Our bottom line recommendation - which is a weak recommendation based on low quality evidence - is that for the majority of people, not everyone, continuing their red and processed meat consumption is the right approach."
 
2021-10-08 2:37:58 AM  

skiinstructor: Thats great news now that a nice steak is around 15 bucks at the market...


Fark the market I used to go has increased prices about 40% on the cuts I'd buy there.

The sirloin price is now almost a dollar more than what the New York. Strip price used to be. Last year.

Guess I'm sticking with burger.
 
2021-10-08 2:47:23 AM  

Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.

I'm old and dammit, I'm going to eat what I want. That said, I do eat a lot of soups and salad.

/ I do like meat


Because research isn't always funded by 1 billion virtuous people. There is a finite amount of money, and sometimes, that money comes from Big Egg.

Like the iron content in spinach being a decimal whoopsie, and everyone just running with it, because no one else had the time or money to follow up on that bit of marketing.
 
2021-10-08 3:00:40 AM  

puffy999: skiinstructor: Thats great news now that a nice steak is around 15 bucks at the market...

Fark the market I used to go has increased prices about 40% on the cuts I'd buy there.

The sirloin price is now almost a dollar more than what the New York. Strip price used to be. Last year.

Guess I'm sticking with burger.


Just checked, butcher I use still has half cow for $3.39/lb, butchery and vaccum packing included. They'll even patty the ground meat into burgers if you like (I did half burgers half 1 pound packages last time).
 
2021-10-08 3:02:26 AM  

robodog: puffy999: skiinstructor: Thats great news now that a nice steak is around 15 bucks at the market...

Fark the market I used to go has increased prices about 40% on the cuts I'd buy there.

The sirloin price is now almost a dollar more than what the New York. Strip price used to be. Last year.

Guess I'm sticking with burger.

Just checked, butcher I use still has half cow for $3.39/lb, butchery and vaccum packing included. They'll even patty the ground meat into burgers if you like (I did half burgers half 1 pound packages last time).


*cries* IT SUCKS HERE
 
2021-10-08 3:03:59 AM  
I still have grave doubts over this idea that animal meat, something we as omnivores evolved to do, and do so well that we've rendered most of the large meat animals extinct, would cause us cancer or disease issues.
 
2021-10-08 3:05:20 AM  
Actually on that front one of the local shops which did such things burned down a few months ago. But that has nothing to do with my meat conundrum.
 
2021-10-08 3:09:15 AM  
Holy shiat. Weird. Both of the places where I've seen DRASTIC changes in the last year have been PNW "employee owned" establishments.

One is a small SW Oregon coast grocery store, the other is BiMart (you know if you know). They jettisoned their pharmacy and... man, locally that was one of the BIGGEST draws to both BiMart stores.
 
2021-10-08 3:11:30 AM  
I mean they haven't ended their pharmacy coverage yet but... well one local store already strongly hinted at problems upcoming.
 
2021-10-08 3:25:05 AM  
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2021-10-08 3:50:49 AM  
AppleOptionEsc:
Like the iron content in spinach being a decimal whoopsie, and everyone just running with it, because no one else had the time or money to follow up on that bit of marketing.

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2021-10-08 5:13:31 AM  
I just adopted a rescue German Shepherd, she's super sweet.
We were at a dairy-mart drive thru (so it's like a 7-11 but has better breakfast food, and a drive thru, so basically it's amazing) yesterday morning and the lady asked if my dog would like a treat. It's been years since I had a shepherd so I'm really leaning into the dog owner thing and say sure why not.
I'm expecting a milk bone, but along with my coffee she hands me a paper towel with three or so pieces of cooked bacon wrapped up like a greasy little burrito.

Pretty sure it was Clove's best drive-thru treat ever and milk bones at the bank are just not going to cut it now.

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2021-10-08 6:26:35 AM  

Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food?


The culprit is P-hacking. A P-hacking study looks at large amounts of gathered information and looks for statistical outliers. But these studies don't connect correlation and causation. At ALL. That's left for other scientists to look into. But science journalism often reports their findings like they are new facts with scientific consensus backing them (they really aren't). And most food studies you hear about come to you this way. And the statistical anomalies they find usually aren't significant enough to follow up on with a more pointed study.

So, keep in mind, scientists have never flip flopped on whether eggs are bad for you or not. That's just bad journalism. And currently science is just not fully convinced one way or the other, and they never have been. One day they will know, but don't trust the journalists reporting on it.
 
2021-10-08 7:04:58 AM  

no1curr: Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.

Blame the media for oversimplifying research findings into a soundbite that they can then extrapolate whole entire realms of conjecture upon

Or if you prefer a visual aid:
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It's not just the media, its the complexity of the question

A plant-based diet is best, but only if you make sure you get all the nutrients you need and stay active etc.

Just too many confounds.
 
2021-10-08 7:32:14 AM  

king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet


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It needs to stick to eating cars, and leave the meat for humans.
 
2021-10-08 7:45:57 AM  
So bacon one day, and sausage the next. Got it.
 
2021-10-08 7:59:11 AM  

gopher321: [Fark user image image 640x392]

Mmmmmmmmmmm...


Tell me you're from Ontario without saying you're from there.
Pea meal bacon sandwiches are awesome.
(Wife's from Fenelon Falls)
 
2021-10-08 8:18:21 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I still have grave doubts over this idea that animal meat, something we as omnivores evolved to do, and do so well that we've rendered most of the large meat animals extinct, would cause us cancer or disease issues.


Hmmm

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And greed doesn't have anything to do with what we ought to be doing, or how we evolved to be.  Unless we evolved to be madly obese.
 
2021-10-08 8:59:47 AM  

Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.

I'm old and dammit, I'm going to eat what I want. That said, I do eat a lot of soups and salad.

/ I do like meat


There's far too many variables in play when it comes to food. In order to do a proper experiment, both your test and control groups would have to eat the exact same things (except for what is being tested).
 
2021-10-08 9:01:03 AM  

king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet


Factory faming is bad for the planet.
 
2021-10-08 9:04:23 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I still have grave doubts over this idea that animal meat, something we as omnivores evolved to do, and do so well that we've rendered most of the large meat animals extinct, would cause us cancer or disease issues.


When it's eaten in excess, yes. And Americans love excess.
 
2021-10-08 9:08:31 AM  

cryinoutloud: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: I still have grave doubts over this idea that animal meat, something we as omnivores evolved to do, and do so well that we've rendered most of the large meat animals extinct, would cause us cancer or disease issues.

Hmmm

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And greed doesn't have anything to do with what we ought to be doing, or how we evolved to be.  Unless we evolved to be madly obese.


There's a double whammy at work here.

The history of the human race can largely be traced by our pursuit of a stable and plentiful source of calories to power busting our asses doing stuff.

In America we were so wildly successful that a single mass produced meal can have more that a single days worth of calories. We achieved that while also drastically reducing how much physical work we do, but it got baked into the American psyche that big eaters did big work.

That is about 80 percent of the problem. The last 20 percent is an irresponsible and greedy manipulation of our basic psychology and physiology that prompts us to eat calories we don't need so some folks can fatten their wallets. The individual is denigrated as lacking in character when they succumb to such manipulations.

Other cultures have weathered the food abundance and work reduction far better than we have, though the global trend is is an increase in overall weight.
 
2021-10-08 9:16:55 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Picklehead: I love science. Still, why do results change so much when it comes to food? The egg is a good example. It seems to change every seven to ten years if it's unhealthy to eat them or not.

I'm old and dammit, I'm going to eat what I want. That said, I do eat a lot of soups and salad.

/ I do like meat

There's far too many variables in play when it comes to food. In order to do a proper experiment, both your test and control groups would have to eat the exact same things (except for what is being tested).


Even then human bodies are also so variable that you can have a lifetime bacon, cigarettes, and whiskey consumer outlive the cleanest of eaters.

And the impact of physical activity is as wildly variable as the impact of what you eat.

The best we can definitively manage is what I said upthread: Eat stuff that's as close to the source as possible, don't stress to much, and move yer arse.

I should have also said to not consume too much of any one thing.
 
2021-10-08 9:43:26 AM  
Coffee is very healthy
---research funded by the coffee industry
 
2021-10-08 9:53:41 AM  

Boudyro: That is about 80 percent of the problem. The last 20 percent is an irresponsible and greedy manipulation of our basic psychology and physiology that prompts us to eat calories we don't need so some folks can fatten their wallets. The individual is denigrated as lacking in character when they succumb to such manipulations.
Other cultures have weathered the food abundance and work reduction far better than we have, though the global trend is is an increase in overall weight.


We also put a hell of a lot of weight on social status and status symbols, and meat is a status symbol.  A big slab of cow is a sign of wealth, or at least middle-class abundance.
I don't think it matters so much what we may have evolved to do, though.  Because we have changed our environment and our lifestyles so much, none of that matters now.  We know about all the things we do that are bad for our bodies and heads--we  don't need to add all the energy of meat to our sedentary lifestyles. The planet doesn't need us to eat meat, we don't need to eat it, and we have to cut way back.

People can say any old thing they want about what they need, our environment is going to determine what we get.  And I think a lot of people are about to be very shocked about how fast this is going  to change everything.  Like EVERYTHING
 
2021-10-08 10:44:23 AM  
"The man ate bacon every day; you can't do that!"
 
2021-10-08 11:09:10 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet

Factory faming is bad for the planet.


Our continued survival is bad for this planet.
 
2021-10-08 1:16:44 PM  

king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet


No it isn't.
The planet will be just fine.

If meat consumption messes things up enough for humans to go extinct, Earth will continue on just as it always has.

Formation and movement of the continents. Rise and fall of the dinosaurs. Ice ages.
It keeps spinning along.
 
2021-10-08 2:13:17 PM  

retrobruce: king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet

No it isn't.
The planet will be just fine.

If meat consumption messes things up enough for humans to go extinct, Earth will continue on just as it always has.

Formation and movement of the continents. Rise and fall of the dinosaurs. Ice ages.
It keeps spinning along.


I think nanoplastics will put a crimp in restoration for quite a while though.
 
2021-10-08 2:26:32 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: retrobruce: king of vegas: Meat consumption is bad for the planet

No it isn't.
The planet will be just fine.

If meat consumption messes things up enough for humans to go extinct, Earth will continue on just as it always has.

Formation and movement of the continents. Rise and fall of the dinosaurs. Ice ages.
It keeps spinning along.

I think nanoplastics will put a crimp in restoration for quite a while though.



meh, a good round of continental drift and subduction and everything will be new again.

Humans "hurting the planet" is a laugh in geologic timescales.
 
2021-10-08 4:00:21 PM  

retrobruce: Humans "hurting the planet" is a laugh in geologic timescales.


I think you're missing the point.
 
2021-10-08 4:24:43 PM  
Anyone demanding we reduce meat consumption "for the planet" while ignoring the real root problem that is ever-worsening overpopulation can DIAF. I am not compromising my lifestyle just so we can cram more worthless humans onto this rock because the compromises will never end until we are all crammed into massive acrologies of trashcan-sized units and eating recycled feces for every meal. F*ck that, I'd rather sterilize the third-world. People need to stop shiatting out so many kids.
 
2021-10-08 4:33:54 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: retrobruce: Humans "hurting the planet" is a laugh in geologic timescales.

I think you're missing the point.


Nope.

The earth can take care of itself just fine.

Humans and their impact are just a tiny blip to the planet.
 
2021-10-08 4:40:23 PM  
Gross exaggerations like "we're destroying the planet" don't do anything for your cause.

I'm all for sound environmental practices, but you turn off people to the cause when you take it to ludicrous extremes.
 
2021-10-08 8:29:58 PM  

skiinstructor: Thats great news now that a nice steak is around 15 bucks at the market...


$9-12 bucks for two tops if you're working with portions that emphasize meat as a flavor rather than the main course.
 
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