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2021-10-07 1:49:59 PM  
Born to Run?
 
2021-10-07 3:21:32 PM  
ing.
 
2021-10-07 3:25:07 PM  
The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring
 
2021-10-07 3:26:27 PM  
Borked?
 
2021-10-07 3:29:41 PM  
My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.
 
2021-10-07 3:32:57 PM  
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2021-10-07 3:34:58 PM  
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2021-10-07 3:35:44 PM  
I watched the film and tried to stick with it in the hopes it would all make sense but then something came along called "The End" first.
 
2021-10-07 3:41:45 PM  
I've keep going back and trying to continue watching but there's really nothing there. Ate least we have the original ser
 
2021-10-07 3:47:33 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I watched the film and tried to stick with it in the hopes it would all make sense but then something came along called "The End" first.


Did you see it online or in the theater?
 
2021-10-07 3:48:02 PM  
You're going to Jacobin for a review of a TV show?

I don't generally read Variety for their coverage of the UN General Assembly meetings.
 
2021-10-07 4:06:17 PM  
I liked it.
 
2021-10-07 4:09:15 PM  
It wasn't great, but I didn't hate it. I'll watch it again eventually. I like everyone in it.
 
2021-10-07 4:10:33 PM  

steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.


The scenes with Tony were the most interesting parts of the movie.
But, he was never going to be the focus because Warners and HBO weren't going to put up $30 million for a movie that relies solely on a 22-year old without much acting experience.

The problem with many Saints, aside from trying to cram 8 hours worth of plot into 2 hours, is that, aside from Tony and his mother, the rest of the cast is just generic (no, looking like someone that was on the TV show doesn't make the character interesting. FFS, those shiatty "Epic Movie" parodies could find lookalikes).And Dickie was just dull. In the show, he's talked about like he was a king among men, but in the movie, he's completely forgettable. He doesn't stand out at all, yet this is the guy all the others looked up to?
 
2021-10-07 4:10:45 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring


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2021-10-07 4:12:19 PM  
I don't know if I'd call it boring.  But it was definitely pointless.
 
2021-10-07 4:22:08 PM  
It was pretty bad. I didn't give a shiat about any character in it, the ending was an unsatisfying cliché, and the whole thing was unasked for, forgettable, and I only watched because I have HBO.
 
2021-10-07 4:29:13 PM  
The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring

Admittedly, some seasons are more meandering than others, and there will always be detractors who are sore that there's too much nuclear family stuff and not enough guys getting whacked for a show ostensibly about the mafia, but to say the series as a whole is "incredibly slow and boring" is downright boneheaded. I'm sorry that David Chase made a show for adults with attention spans.
 
2021-10-07 4:52:12 PM  

TommyDeuce: Born to Run?


The Sopranos - Born To Run reference (with Miami Steve present)
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2021-10-07 5:01:47 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I don't know if I'd call it boring.  But it was definitely pointless.


Oh, it was boring AND pointless. I loved the Sopranos and I could barely make it through this movie. It ended pretty abruptly, too.
 
2021-10-07 5:10:57 PM  
I got about 40 minutes in before I threw in the towel. I don't know if the writers or the director or the editor is to blame but this movie is a narrative mess.
 
2021-10-07 5:18:19 PM  
at least Joey DIaz got a pay-day out of it.  I guess.

/too bad, was hopeful
 
2021-10-07 5:34:20 PM  
It's about tariffs and a trade federation dispute?

Meh, the reviewer is probably right but I'll still probably see it at some point.
 
2021-10-07 5:35:43 PM  
Thought it was boring.
 
2021-10-07 5:41:27 PM  
I can't remember looking forward so much to a TV series returning as a movie and being so disappointed since Return to Gilligan's Island. It was boring, confusing, and should have been shot in the same style as The Sopranos. In fact, it should have been a limited series instead of a movie. It would have given him more time to develop the characters and give us more time to get familiar with them. Actors were fine (Except maybe Ray Liotta), but man, it was kind of like the series in "SPOILER ALERT" that it left us hanging. Would love to see Tony's rise and change.
 
2021-10-07 5:44:59 PM  

MizzouGuy: I can't remember looking forward so much to a TV series returning as a movie and being so disappointed since Return to Gilligan's Island. It was boring, confusing, and should have been shot in the same style as The Sopranos. In fact, it should have been a limited series instead of a movie. It would have given him more time to develop the characters and give us more time to get familiar with them. Actors were fine (Except maybe Ray Liotta), but man, it was kind of like the series in "SPOILER ALERT" that it left us hanging. Would love to see Tony's rise and change.


My feelings as well. After how damn perfect the Deadwood movie return was I had high hopes. But then I forgot that Deadwood was just that much better than Sopranos.

/cocksuckers
 
2021-10-07 6:02:48 PM  

ImOscar: The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring

Admittedly, some seasons are more meandering than others, and there will always be detractors who are sore that there's too much nuclear family stuff and not enough guys getting whacked for a show ostensibly about the mafia, but to say the series as a whole is "incredibly slow and boring" is downright boneheaded. I'm sorry that David Chase made a show for adults with attention spans.


Season 1, episode 5: College is still my favorite episode. Meadow is touring colleges and Tony runs across a snitch. Perfect blend of family and Family.
 
2021-10-07 6:12:39 PM  

Subtonic: MizzouGuy: I can't remember looking forward so much to a TV series returning as a movie and being so disappointed since Return to Gilligan's Island. It was boring, confusing, and should have been shot in the same style as The Sopranos. In fact, it should have been a limited series instead of a movie. It would have given him more time to develop the characters and give us more time to get familiar with them. Actors were fine (Except maybe Ray Liotta), but man, it was kind of like the series in "SPOILER ALERT" that it left us hanging. Would love to see Tony's rise and change.

My feelings as well. After how damn perfect the Deadwood movie return was I had high hopes. But then I forgot that Deadwood was just that much better than Sopranos.

/cocksuckers


And I thought El Camino: A Breaking Bad movie was really good as well.
 
2021-10-07 6:24:51 PM  
Did they name all them Newark saints?
 
2021-10-07 6:29:13 PM  

steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.


Nope.

When the movie was announced back in 2018 Chase said it would focus on Dickie and open with the Newark Riots - what he described back then is pretty close to what we got.

And your theory just makes no sense. Clearly a lot of money was sunk into the production costs for recreating the riots - that wouldn't just be added on after most of the movie was shot. And for your theory to be true, that would mean everything with Ray Liotta was added later because his character is directly connected to Dickie's storyline.
 
2021-10-07 6:31:36 PM  

thornhill: steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.

Nope.

When the movie was announced back in 2018 Chase said it would focus on Dickie and open with the Newark Riots - what he described back then is pretty close to what we got.

And your theory just makes no sense. Clearly a lot of money was sunk into the production costs for recreating the riots - that wouldn't just be added on after most of the movie was shot. And for your theory to be true, that would mean everything with Ray Liotta was added later because his character is directly connected to Dickie's storyline.


It's in the damn title. Multisanti = Many Saints
 
2021-10-07 6:38:43 PM  

steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.


That makes sense.

When I first heard about this, it sounded like it was going to be an origin story for Tony.  It turned out he was more of a B or C storyline in what turned out to be a story mainly about Chris' Dad.  I guess I could describe it as sort of a bait and switch, but your explanation fits the facts.

That said, I didn't hate it.  It was obviously a set up for a sequel that would pretty much have to feature young Tony's initiation into the Family.  Which is what I thought THIS movie was supposed to be, so.... eh, meh.
 
2021-10-07 6:46:08 PM  

thornhill: steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.

Nope.

When the movie was announced back in 2018 Chase said it would focus on Dickie and open with the Newark Riots - what he described back then is pretty close to what we got.

And your theory just makes no sense. Clearly a lot of money was sunk into the production costs for recreating the riots - that wouldn't just be added on after most of the movie was shot. And for your theory to be true, that would mean everything with Ray Liotta was added later because his character is directly connected to Dickie's storyline.


Also, when the movie got announced, Michael Gandolfini was still a teenager who only had a couple of small parts to his name. Between that and the fact that his dad left him a pretty large chunk of his estate, there was no guarantee he'd even take the job, especially considering the massive scrutiny everything about the TV show gets.
 
2021-10-07 6:49:54 PM  

FrancoFile: You're going to Jacobin for a review of a TV show?

I don't generally read Variety for their coverage of the UN General Assembly meetings.


I thought the only TV Jacobin readers watched was Free Speech TV.
 
2021-10-07 6:52:39 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: I don't know if I'd call it boring.  But it was definitely pointless.


That's really the bottom line. For a movie with way too much plot, it didn't really tell us anything new about Tony. And Dickie was never an offscreen character that we wanted to learn more about.
 
2021-10-07 6:53:03 PM  
I wouldn't watch entire Sopranos episodes again, but I do watch individual scenes occasionally. The stuff that works on that show always works for me. An example is the scene where Silvio and Carlo deal Dom and then Tony shows up. There's banter, hostility, violence, and humor in that scene and it's great.
 
2021-10-07 7:01:40 PM  

MizzouGuy: Subtonic: MizzouGuy: I can't remember looking forward so much to a TV series returning as a movie and being so disappointed since Return to Gilligan's Island. It was boring, confusing, and should have been shot in the same style as The Sopranos. In fact, it should have been a limited series instead of a movie. It would have given him more time to develop the characters and give us more time to get familiar with them. Actors were fine (Except maybe Ray Liotta), but man, it was kind of like the series in "SPOILER ALERT" that it left us hanging. Would love to see Tony's rise and change.

My feelings as well. After how damn perfect the Deadwood movie return was I had high hopes. But then I forgot that Deadwood was just that much better than Sopranos.

/cocksuckers

And I thought El Camino: A Breaking Bad movie was really good as well.


El Camino was the definition of unnecessary to me. It thankfully wasn't boring like SoN was and it's still hard to get past Todd suddenly being fat in the same period he was skinny in the show, but the end shootout and one last Robert Forster performance were entertaining. It just ends in the exact same place the show did, just with a more concrete answer.
 
2021-10-07 7:30:18 PM  
That's just it, I just don't find any of the characters really engaging and I'm either positive or negative sense. To me it just feels like a bunch of rules than her on the screen and I have to remind myself once in awhile who they are. Contrast with the following character from Goodfellas:

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Even though he had about four minutes of screen time total, Jimmy Two Times is a more memorable character than any one I saw in The Sopranos prequel.

Maybe it turns out I'm just burnt out on all things Sopranos because of how long the original series was and how long ago it was. To me it feels like they were so intent on creating "the Sopranos prequel" that they forgot to just make a good movie that has a Soprano characters in it.
 
2021-10-07 7:49:47 PM  
They could have done a limited run series. This was just shiat. And they farked up the timeline too.
 
2021-10-07 8:04:56 PM  

rummonkey: That's just it, I just don't find any of the characters really engaging and I'm either positive or negative sense. To me it just feels like a bunch of rules than her on the screen and I have to remind myself once in awhile who they are. Contrast with the following character from Goodfellas:

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Even though he had about four minutes of screen time total, Jimmy Two Times is a more memorable character than any one I saw in The Sopranos prequel.

Maybe it turns out I'm just burnt out on all things Sopranos because of how long the original series was and how long ago it was. To me it feels like they were so intent on creating "the Sopranos prequel" that they forgot to just make a good movie that has a Soprano characters in it.


I kinda felt the same way. None of the older characters from the show had anything memorable in the movie.
Maybe it was chopped to fit the runtime, but it felt like the story could have used a little more going into the dynamic between Tony's dad, Dickie, and Uncle Junior, specifically on how it related to Tony.
Or hell, give us a scene with Tony's parents by themselves, just to give a glimpse on the home life.

Anything would have been more interesting than what ended up on screen.

And is it just me, or was the confirmation banquet scene just a waste of time? Felt like Chase was writing while Godfather 2 was on in the background or something and he just figured it'd be an easy callback.
 
2021-10-07 8:43:17 PM  
Didn't hate it or love it.  Very rarely do I enjoy any prequels, and this one just bottoms at the get-go with the Christoper narration from beyond the grave and really never picks up from there.  Having Ray Lottia playing the twin brother seemed strange and also didn't add anything and was a wash.  At the end it's just a film about a scumbag.
 
2021-10-07 9:01:04 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring


The Sopranos, the Wire, Deadwood... pretty much all the great HBO TV shows take their time telling a story, and generally they're better for it.  It sounds like this movie could've used that treatment, too, since it skipped out on all the juicy bits you get in a season that you don't get in a two hour movie.

Yea, the Deadwood movie was as comfortable as an old shoe, but it also was a sequel with the same cast and characters, so it gets a massive benefit from that.
 
2021-10-07 11:46:25 PM  
I'd like to review this review.

Eileen Jones should seriously consider another day job.  When a professional critic starts a review by pursing their lips and shrugging their shoulders (I must confess I'm one of the handful of Americans who've never watched The Sopranos - I don't know why. Reliable sources all over the map tell me it's great. I swear I even offered to recuse myself from reviewing this film on the grounds of my Sopranos ignorance! -- ain't that just adorable?) then uses valuable space to laud a (very good) actor, BUT at the ignorant expense of other working professionals that a lot of people seem rather fond of (. .  . we've put up with vanilla bores like Tom Hanks and Kevin Costner and Hugh Jackman in leading roles) I think it might be safe to add a new addition to "Hacks" in the dictionary definition of the word.

The new Sopranos movie might, indeed, suck baby otters -- but I'm sure not taking this critic's word for it.
 
2021-10-07 11:50:18 PM  

steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.


This is quite excellent work.
Mes hommages.
 
2021-10-07 11:56:52 PM  
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Lemme tell you a couple three things about the Shah of Iran, looking like a Puerto Rican hoor and spending 20 years in the can....
 
2021-10-08 2:37:14 AM  
I thought it was fine. If comparing to Deadwood or El Camino, id call it equal to either.

The Sopranos wasn't as good as people want to pretend anyway.

Dickie was farking brilliant. If you somehow missed it, go watch his performance again and remove your head from your ass, praise the dumbass kid again if you would really like to out yourself.
 
2021-10-08 8:48:08 AM  

thornhill: steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.

Nope.

When the movie was announced back in 2018 Chase said it would focus on Dickie and open with the Newark Riots - what he described back then is pretty close to what we got.

And your theory just makes no sense. Clearly a lot of money was sunk into the production costs for recreating the riots - that wouldn't just be added on after most of the movie was shot. And for your theory to be true, that would mean everything with Ray Liotta was added later because his character is directly connected to Dickie's storyline.


You're probably right. But it wouldn't be the first time a director spent a lot of money and time shooting a lot more material than they needed for a 2 hour movie. The run time for the release version is exactly 120 minutes. I'll bet there's a lot of stuff we haven't seen.
 
2021-10-08 9:34:15 AM  

steve_wmn: thornhill: steve_wmn: My theory is that they cast Michael Gandolfini as Tony and tried their best to make it work, shooting a decent amount of scenes for a young Tony story. Then somewhere during production or editing they decided it wasn't working and started a salvage job, highlighting the Dickie Moltisanti and Newark riots subplots and just giving us a taste of Tony. So the end result is the mishmash of sub plots and young Junior/Livia/Paulie/Silvio cameos.

Nope.

When the movie was announced back in 2018 Chase said it would focus on Dickie and open with the Newark Riots - what he described back then is pretty close to what we got.

And your theory just makes no sense. Clearly a lot of money was sunk into the production costs for recreating the riots - that wouldn't just be added on after most of the movie was shot. And for your theory to be true, that would mean everything with Ray Liotta was added later because his character is directly connected to Dickie's storyline.

You're probably right. But it wouldn't be the first time a director spent a lot of money and time shooting a lot more material than they needed for a 2 hour movie. The run time for the release version is exactly 120 minutes. I'll bet there's a lot of stuff we haven't seen.


That's different than new material not in the original script or shooting schedule being shot to redo the narrative very late in production.

As for their being a lot of extra footage on the cutting room floor, yeah, the first cuts of movies tend to be much longer than the final cut, where scenes are tightened and some are just dropped entirely.

Like everyone has been saying, it seems like a lot was cut, but I doubt those cuts altered the plot. As I said before, the movie tracks very closely with what Chase described when it was first announced.
 
2021-10-08 9:48:46 AM  

A Screaming Man with Two-Toned Shoes: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring

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Lilyhammer, done a decade later, was actually better.
 
2021-10-08 9:50:15 AM  

bhcompy: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: The Sopranos looking back is incredibly slow and boring

The Sopranos, the Wire, Deadwood... pretty much all the great HBO TV shows take their time telling a story, and generally they're better for it.  It sounds like this movie could've used that treatment, too, since it skipped out on all the juicy bits you get in a season that you don't get in a two hour movie.

Yea, the Deadwood movie was as comfortable as an old shoe, but it also was a sequel with the same cast and characters, so it gets a massive benefit from that.


What I really would watch is a movie that shows what happened to the rest of the Sopranos after Tony died/was whacked
 
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