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596 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 05 Oct 2021 at 9:05 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-10-05 9:21:19 AM  
I went to a meeting of some "quantified self" people once because of work.

They were all weird.  Like don't-sit-next-to-them-on-the-bus weird.
 
2021-10-05 9:26:16 AM  
If you care about personal fitness for any reason, some level of self-obsessed documentation of metrics is occurring.

Not sure what's wrong with just recording workouts and meals on a piece of god damned paper, though.
 
2021-10-05 9:28:30 AM  
The startup, which is in the testing phase, pairs FreeStyle Libre sensors with its own app to understand the effects of foods on an individual's glucose response, using artificial intelligence to recommend a personalised diet.


I can imagine this being used by 4 types of people:
1 - People doing research in nutritional studies
2 - Advanced athletes doing training
3 - People recovering from eating disorders
4 - People actively exacerbating their eating disorders.

I'm pretty sure just offering it as a consumer device builds a direct pipeline to #4 and figures the others will find it eventually.
 
2021-10-05 9:33:51 AM  

mike_d85: The startup, which is in the testing phase, pairs FreeStyle Libre sensors with its own app to understand the effects of foods on an individual's glucose response, using artificial intelligence to recommend a personalised diet.

I can imagine this being used by 4 types of people:
1 - People doing research in nutritional studies
2 - Advanced athletes doing training
3 - People recovering from eating disorders
4 - People actively exacerbating their eating disorders.

I'm pretty sure just offering it as a consumer device builds a direct pipeline to #4 and figures the others will find it eventually.


But marketing says sales will be off the charts!  Those "Thin-spiration" influencers have pre-ordered!
 
2021-10-05 9:43:36 AM  

Laobaojun: mike_d85: The startup, which is in the testing phase, pairs FreeStyle Libre sensors with its own app to understand the effects of foods on an individual's glucose response, using artificial intelligence to recommend a personalised diet.

I can imagine this being used by 4 types of people:
1 - People doing research in nutritional studies
2 - Advanced athletes doing training
3 - People recovering from eating disorders
4 - People actively exacerbating their eating disorders.

I'm pretty sure just offering it as a consumer device builds a direct pipeline to #4 and figures the others will find it eventually.

But marketing says sales will be off the charts!  Those "Thin-spiration" influencers have pre-ordered!


This month's TikTok challenge: who's got the lowest average blood sugar!  I'm down to 130 today!  Can you beat me?
 
2021-10-05 10:09:57 AM  
People have been keeping poop diaries forever.. it's just now there's an app for it.
 
2021-10-05 10:15:10 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: People have been keeping poop diaries forever.. it's just now there's an app for it.


That's what my snapchat is for.
 
2021-10-05 1:06:29 PM  
Advertisements were all for Fitbits and "wealth management". And I guarantee they weren't targeted ads cuz I'm a little chonky and poor 😁
 
2021-10-05 1:31:17 PM  
Sure, monitor your own steps, sleep patterns, and food and your being health conscious. Monitor someone else's and the Judge calls you a stalker. Farking hypocrites.
 
2021-10-05 3:31:36 PM  
I can't think of a less useful tracking metric than the number of steps you take in a day.
 
2021-10-05 4:49:21 PM  
Being treated for a disease is a lot different than being treated for vanity.  But you all don't need to be treated for THAT, do you?  Everything is FINE.

You're supposed to be paying attention to your body in the course of daily life.  But nobody does now, because they're too busy, and if they were honest, they'd have to admit that they're ruining their health with their work life.  But since nobody in the farking world is going to address THAT, they'll just buy a bunch of shiat to make themselves feel better about being materialistic pigs, and fool themselves into believing  that they've just purchased serenity, purity, and good health, with their big paycheck.

And just by coincidence, the market has provided every single thing a person might need to con  themselves into thinking that they're the most significant organism on earth, above all the rest, and still keep working themselves to death!  It's farking brilliant, if you're a marketing puke, and apparently most of you all are.  How DO you do it, without being evil life-sucking creeps?  Oh wait......

I'm going to sit here and be pretty farking useless, but at least I don't have to look in the mirror 50 times a day to make sure that I matter.
That was how I got eating disorders.

So you all have fun with that, you neurotic weirdos.
 
2021-10-05 4:53:06 PM  
the "quantified self" movement. It took shape in 2007 as a way for individuals to use technology to optimise themselves like machines. "What started as a positive phenomenon then got hijacked," Ajana says.

Hahahahahaaha.  Farking weirdos.

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2021-10-05 5:15:11 PM  

DecemberNitro: I can't think of a less useful tracking metric than the number of steps you take in a day.


You sound paralyzed.
 
2021-10-05 7:21:46 PM  
My fitness trackers played a significant role in my weight loss.

People around here love to talk about how easy weight loss is, that it's just "calories in/calories out."  It's easy to come up with a number for calories in, as long as you're willing to weigh portions and keep a food diary.  But calories out?  That's the number that people tend to overestimate without some reasonably objective way to measure it.

That's not to say fitness trackers are perfect in that regard.  They're a reasonable estimate, the best available to the average person who doesn't live in a metabolic chamber.  But in the (almost) two years since being at or below my goal weight, I still track my calorie intake and expenditure every day, and those two numbers are usually within 200 calories of each other.  And over that time period, my weight has almost always been within one or two pounds of the mean value.

Considering how many people are overweight today in the US and around the world, it's not surprising when I read the disdainful comments about trackers in threads like this one.
 
2021-10-05 8:09:44 PM  

cryinoutloud: Being treated for a disease is a lot different than being treated for vanity.  But you all don't need to be treated for THAT, do you?  Everything is FINE.

You're supposed to be paying attention to your body in the course of daily life. But nobody does now, because they're too busy, and if they were honest, they'd have to admit that they're ruining their health with their work life.  But since nobody in the farking world is going to address THAT, they'll just buy a bunch of shiat to make themselves feel better about being materialistic pigs, and fool themselves into believing  that they've just purchased serenity, purity, and good health, with their big paycheck...


Mine just says it's hungry.

And it would also like a nap.


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Seriously there is supposedly a sense called interoception, which is the ability to sense the internal state of the body, eg, hungry, hot, cold, in pain.

Which was fine, until they said for some tests the asked people to close their eyes and count their heartbeats.... without feeling their pulse. Wtf? How...? If I ever noticed what my heart was doing I would assume that it's doing something really bad and I need to get to a hospital asap. Can other people really count their heart beat just by focussing on it?
 
2021-10-05 8:13:23 PM  
Isiah Berlin argued that there was two kinds of freedom, freedom from stuff that disempowered you, and freedom to do stuff that empowers you. Knowledge is power. If someone used it to curtail your rights and freedoms, then we might have a problem, but where a certain type of person wants to use that information for their own ends they're not only not less free for doing so, they're more free than those who wish to and lack the means.
 
2021-10-06 2:15:14 AM  

Nidiot: cryinoutloud: Being treated for a disease is a lot different than being treated for vanity.  But you all don't need to be treated for THAT, do you?  Everything is FINE.

You're supposed to be paying attention to your body in the course of daily life. But nobody does now, because they're too busy, and if they were honest, they'd have to admit that they're ruining their health with their work life.  But since nobody in the farking world is going to address THAT, they'll just buy a bunch of shiat to make themselves feel better about being materialistic pigs, and fool themselves into believing  that they've just purchased serenity, purity, and good health, with their big paycheck...

Mine just says it's hungry.

And it would also like a nap.


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Seriously there is supposedly a sense called interoception, which is the ability to sense the internal state of the body, eg, hungry, hot, cold, in pain.

Which was fine, until they said for some tests the asked people to close their eyes and count their heartbeats.... without feeling their pulse. Wtf? How...? If I ever noticed what my heart was doing I would assume that it's doing something really bad and I need to get to a hospital asap. Can other people really count their heart beat just by focussing on it?


Yes, I can count my heart beat without touching anything specific.

/Personally I'm amazed that there are people who can visually imagine things
 
2021-10-06 2:25:34 AM  

Nurglitch: Isiah Berlin argued that there was two kinds of freedom, freedom from stuff that disempowered you, and freedom to do stuff that empowers you. Knowledge is power. If someone used it to curtail your rights and freedoms, then we might have a problem, but where a certain type of person wants to use that information for their own ends they're not only not less free for doing so, they're more free than those who wish to and lack the means.


Sure, people are free to do or not do it. But people who track all their vital statistics because they want to optimise themselves are less free than people who don't. They become a slave to the numbers and will fret and expend effort about optimising said numbers rather than just living life.

A statistically bad night of sleep someone wakes up refreshed from isn't something they'll take in stride. It becomes something they have to correct because it messes with their numbers. And as soon as someone feels he or she has to do something, that person is ook less free than people who do not feel that obligation.

/Cue "but I track all that and I don't feel the need"
//If you track it, and look at the stats, do you not analyse what happens and make a plan to prevent bad numbers?
///If not, why track the data?
 
2021-10-06 8:58:07 AM  

DecemberNitro: I can't think of a less useful tracking metric than the number of steps you take in a day.


Farts per week.
 
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