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2021-10-04 2:41:22 PM  
A little bit less, but I make a hell of a lot less.
 
2021-10-04 2:52:16 PM  
"The senator had a smaller tax payment because he had less income to report in 2017," said Vanessa Ambrosini, a spokeswoman for Johnson.


Oh, go audit yourself. Jesus Christ. F*ck off with your lies. You're not even trying.
 
2021-10-04 3:07:40 PM  
My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes
 
2021-10-04 3:10:05 PM  
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2021-10-04 3:20:46 PM  
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2021-10-04 3:40:06 PM  
much more
 
2021-10-04 3:40:07 PM  
"Butthole."

Perfectly appropriate.
 
2021-10-04 3:40:18 PM  
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Oh, Ron Johnson.
 
2021-10-04 3:40:29 PM  
"People should be paying their fair share," Johnson said recently on WISN-AM (1130). "But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"


This tool sounds a lot like Bill Maher. Loved it when he biatched about how much income tax people paid in NY. As though that is typical in every state in the country or even remotely resembles the taxes (not) paid at the federal level. We get it Bill, you're rich now and your sympathies have changed.

Tell ya what Ronny-boy; raise the minimum wage to a living wage and maybe we won't have to raise taxes on the top 1% as much as we need to now.
 
2021-10-04 3:41:55 PM  

kkinnison: My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes


Not that I don't feel dirty defending that piece of shiat scumbag, but I'm also curious about the rule.  if you're a senator, do you get paid in DC or Wisconsin?  if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?

\ off to shower and wash the stink off myself.
 
2021-10-04 3:43:51 PM  
Let's make those Trump tax cuts for the rich permanent.
 
2021-10-04 3:45:03 PM  

rga184: if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?


I am not a lawyer or tax expert, but I think this is wrong. I work remotely for a software company based in Washington (no state income tax), but live in "Deluxe Flyover State" where I do pay state income tax.

/ i actually make more than Johnson does from the gov't
// but he probably has multiple income streams and makes more than me
/// either way i will pay five times as much in state income taxes
 
2021-10-04 3:45:34 PM  
I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.
 
2021-10-04 3:45:39 PM  

rga184: kkinnison: My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes

Not that I don't feel dirty defending that piece of shiat scumbag, but I'm also curious about the rule.  if you're a senator, do you get paid in DC or Wisconsin?  if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?

\ off to shower and wash the stink off myself.


I have to pay taxes on where I reside and there may be a privilege of working tax in the city where you work.

You know, for most people.
 
2021-10-04 3:46:01 PM  
FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.
 
2021-10-04 3:47:00 PM  
I'd be really interested to see how much the other 534 congresscritters paid before getting too worked up over this one.

/ I paid considerably more
 
2021-10-04 3:47:30 PM  
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

Weelllllll...

The top 1% control 16x as much wealth as the entire bottom 50% combined, so ...

And given that back in 1990 that number was 6x the bottom 50%, that's a clear sign that things are getting worse, not better.

So swallow a tailpipe, Ron Johnson. Swallow it deep.
 
2021-10-04 3:48:30 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.


When they make the profits that they make, no one else should have to pay any taxes.

They should be thankful to give back to the system that allowed them to reach that high over all others.
 
2021-10-04 3:51:36 PM  
We had a thready yesterday where people were stomping up and down screeching that tax avoidance is a great thing and that people should take advantage of it if it's legal, no matter how wealthy they are. In context it was about some tax break for disabled veterans that multi-millionaires were using to avoid state property taxes.

My response was "fark that, these things should be means tested. The rich need to pay their fair share."

Same argument goes here. This guy should be paying his fair share. I don't care what loophole he took advantage of, when you're earning hundreds of thousands gross, you should be paying up. Loopholes should be closed.
 
2021-10-04 3:53:37 PM  

sdd2000: I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.


You won't have electricity in about three months, so get your kicks now and maybe stock up on Sterno.
 
2021-10-04 3:55:25 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.


Labor is entitled to all it creates
 
2021-10-04 3:55:29 PM  

cretinbob: A little bit less, but I make a hell of a lot less.


Ron is one of the people I am amazed is able to walk around without being assaulted.
 
2021-10-04 3:56:03 PM  

cretinbob: A little bit less, but I make a hell of a lot less.


More even than when he paid US$60k to the state. The wife and I don't lie to get deductions, or even play it shady. Either something can (easily) be said to be a deduction or it's not listed.

We didn't get to where we are all by our own wits and will. We went to a state run university for our bachelors, used state roads, our kids went to public school, and so on. Paying, as unpleasant as it is sometimes to watch a large portion of your income not be yours, is necessary to a stable system. I'd rather that, when I'm old, kids are educated stable. Ours are fine, but we're looking out for our grandkids now.

F**k losers like Ron Johnson. They want to pretend they do it all by themselves, they can f**king fend for themselves, and that includes their businesses.
 
2021-10-04 3:56:04 PM  

rga184: kkinnison: My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes

Not that I don't feel dirty defending that piece of shiat scumbag, but I'm also curious about the rule.  if you're a senator, do you get paid in DC or Wisconsin?  if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?

\ off to shower and wash the stink off myself.


I was curious about this with the prospect of remote work and looked it up.  It seems to be where you are based doing the work, not the location of the entity paying you.  Professional sports players have issues with this since they work in multiple states and countries.

If you are working in your basement in DC then you pay DC taxes on that income, regardless if you worked for a company based in Seattle.

/please correct me if I am wrong
//might be different state by state
 
2021-10-04 3:57:23 PM  

thanksagainandagain: sdd2000: I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.

You won't have electricity in about three months, so get your kicks now and maybe stock up on Sterno.


Won't have voting rights either, so I am looking at other places (as well as a generator). But the state income tax is low. They get us on property taxes and nickle and dime every state service.
 
2021-10-04 3:59:28 PM  
And yet they never seem to tell their base just how they get those super-gentle taxes at the end of the year.

I'm sure it's all on the up and up, though.
 
2021-10-04 4:00:13 PM  

Hyjamon: rga184: kkinnison: My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes

Not that I don't feel dirty defending that piece of shiat scumbag, but I'm also curious about the rule.  if you're a senator, do you get paid in DC or Wisconsin?  if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?

\ off to shower and wash the stink off myself.

I was curious about this with the prospect of remote work and looked it up.  It seems to be where you are based doing the work, not the location of the entity paying you.  Professional sports players have issues with this since they work in multiple states and countries.

If you are working in your basement in DC then you pay DC taxes on that income, regardless if you worked for a company based in Seattle.

/please correct me if I am wrong
//might be different state by state


I worked remotely for 10 years for a few different companies based all over the country. I always paid AZ state taxes and only AZ state taxes.
 
2021-10-04 4:00:18 PM  

sdd2000: I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.


We just have high property taxes, and "fees".

/and almost no social services, of course
 
2021-10-04 4:00:50 PM  
More. Boy do I feel smug.

/and rage-filled
 
2021-10-04 4:03:20 PM  
Any journalist who just lets that massively dishonest "1% pays 40% of taxes" argument slide is complicit. How is that still a thing anyone is allowed to argue?
 
2021-10-04 4:05:36 PM  
Johnson makes the argument that the wealthiest in America pay some 40% of all income taxes.

This is true.

But, that fact makes it clear that income tax code has not kept pace with current income distribution.
And that really matters.

Just track the income gains of the past 40 years and see that all the income gains have been distributed to the wealthiest Americans. Logically, that will reflect itself in terms of Income Tax distribution.

As the income of the bottom 3 quintiles of Americans declined or stagnated, so did the share of Income Taxes they paid.

Conversely,

As the income of the top quintile of earners increased, so to does the share of income taxes they pay.

Johnson's argument is a perfect explanation for an increase in wages for the lower earning working classes, starting with a significant increase in minimum wage which will assert pressure to increase wages throughout
the lower quintiles of earners.
 
2021-10-04 4:05:40 PM  
Hard to tell, my state tries to conceal the hugely oppressive taxes it uses to steal from the poor to line the pockets of the rich by hiding it in the rent increases and laundering it through the school system by stealing even what's directly allocated for local funding from "black" areas to give it as free money to white people instead.

... sorry, I mean we "don't have a state income tax".

// I would assume since DC isn't actually a state that Johnson should, in fact, owe income taxes in WI.  Like... I can't imagine that "being a resident of WI for tax purposes" wouldn't be a base requirement of running for Senate there.  I could be wrong, though, I don't know specifically and the law can be surprisingly stupid.
 
2021-10-04 4:05:51 PM  
None, since I do all my work in Washington.
 
2021-10-04 4:07:35 PM  
What's another slang name for penis? Oh, right... Johnson.
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2021-10-04 4:07:51 PM  
Any politician who refuses to release their tax returns should not be considered for public office. Certainly at the US House and Senate level or above.

If I go to a VC and seek an investment of a couple hundred thousand dollars, it is almost assured that they will ask to see the tax returns of any founders and company officers.

These guys control how billions of dollars are allocated on behalf of the public. We should know what their income streams look like.  At least what they report to the government, anyway.
 
2021-10-04 4:09:36 PM  
Paid less, but I'm in a "no state income tax" state
 
2021-10-04 4:12:03 PM  

sdd2000: I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.


Why? You only have the 5th highest property taxes in the US and 2nd highest sales taxes. All that money you are saving on income taxes is going right back to them in property and sales taxes. Arguably if you make less you are better off in Wisconsin, especially since cost of living is less and housing is more affordable.
 
2021-10-04 4:12:31 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.

Labor is entitled to all it creates


Thanks for your input Chairman Marx.
 
2021-10-04 4:13:52 PM  

Exception Collection: None, since I do all my work in Washington.


It's crazy that we think of Washington as a "liberal" state, yet they have no income tax.
 
2021-10-04 4:14:09 PM  

Hyjamon: I was curious about this with the prospect of remote work and looked it up. It seems to be where you are based doing the work, not the location of the entity paying you. Professional sports players have issues with this since they work in multiple states and countries.

If you are working in your basement in DC then you pay DC taxes on that income, regardless if you worked for a company based in Seattle.


Depends on where the company is based. I believe NYC has a "telecommuter tax" that they were trying to use, where any employer based there must withhold NY taxes first. Then, you as the worker have to file your state taxes for both NY and DC, and then deduct taxes paid to NY from DC. A real pain in the ass, but to be fair it's no different than what people who live in NJ/CT etc. do who commute into NY for work.
 
2021-10-04 4:15:22 PM  

austerity101: It's crazy that we think of Washington as a "liberal" state, yet they have no income tax.


Georgism is truly liberal. Income taxes are throwbacks to feudalism.
 
2021-10-04 4:15:41 PM  
I don't know, and unfortunately, I don't care anymore. Nothing is going to change, the rich will still live off the tax burden of the poor.

If we're all tired of this, then we need to change the laws, not get mad at the people who comply with them.
 
2021-10-04 4:15:52 PM  

sdd2000: thanksagainandagain: sdd2000: I live in Texas so I am getting a kick out of this.

You won't have electricity in about three months, so get your kicks now and maybe stock up on Sterno.

Won't have voting rights either, so I am looking at other places (as well as a generator). But the state income tax is low. They get us on property taxes and nickle and dime every state service.


but you folks have the convenience of having a chemical plant in every neighbourhood, so it all works out.
 
2021-10-04 4:18:45 PM  

Hyjamon: rga184: kkinnison: My wife and I make a fraction of what he reports as income and we still paid more in taxes

Not that I don't feel dirty defending that piece of shiat scumbag, but I'm also curious about the rule.  if you're a senator, do you get paid in DC or Wisconsin?  if your income is from out of state you wouldn't pay state income taxes on it, would you?

\ off to shower and wash the stink off myself.

I was curious about this with the prospect of remote work and looked it up.  It seems to be where you are based doing the work, not the location of the entity paying you.  Professional sports players have issues with this since they work in multiple states and countries.

If you are working in your basement in DC then you pay DC taxes on that income, regardless if you worked for a company based in Seattle.

/please correct me if I am wrong
//might be different state by state


I live in WASHINGTON.  Where I work is in Idaho.  I have to pay Idaho state income tax.
 
2021-10-04 4:19:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: We had a thready yesterday where people were stomping up and down screeching that tax avoidance is a great thing and that people should take advantage of it if it's legal, no matter how wealthy they are. In context it was about some tax break for disabled veterans that multi-millionaires were using to avoid state property taxes.

My response was "fark that, these things should be means tested. The rich need to pay their fair share."

Same argument goes here. This guy should be paying his fair share. I don't care what loophole he took advantage of, when you're earning hundreds of thousands gross, you should be paying up. Loopholes should be closed.


The US Tax Code is 6,000 pages of loopholes.
 
2021-10-04 4:20:45 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.

Labor is entitled to all it creates


Fine. You build cars in your basement and I'll build cars in my factory.

Ha
 
2021-10-04 4:26:22 PM  
farking waaaaay more. And I'm just a thousandare... But I'm still an asshole.
 
2021-10-04 4:26:49 PM  

Hyjamon: I was curious about this with the prospect of remote work and looked it up.  It seems to be where you are based doing the work, not the location of the entity paying you.  Professional sports players have issues with this since they work in multiple states and countries.


Everyone has to establish a state of residency, and they pay taxes accordingly.

Some states instituted laws such that if you reside in the state for a certain period each year - whether you own a home there or not - then you're a resident of that state. Keeps every pro athlete from claiming Florida as their official state of residence, since it has no state income tax.

The only exception I know involves the military. You can come from any state and be assigned to a given duty station, but you're still considered a resident of that state for tax and voting purposes. When I was in, I knew a lot of guys who changed their residency to Florida to get out of paying state income tax. They didn't give a shiat about voting.
 
2021-10-04 4:30:29 PM  

Night Train to Wakanda: ElwoodCuse: Night Train to Wakanda: FTFA:
"But when you have the top 1% of taxpayers paying 40% of the income tax, I mean, at some point in time, you got to go, 'Well, that's got to be pretty close to their fair share, huh?'"

When the top 1% take 99% of the profits and only pay 40% of the taxes, that's not a fair share.

Labor is entitled to all it creates

Thanks for your input Chairman Marx.


I guess you are OK with the boss stealing from you?
 
2021-10-04 4:31:57 PM  

CitizenReserveCorps: Any politician who refuses to release their tax returns should not be considered for public office. Certainly at the US House and Senate level or above.


Had you asked me ten years ago, I'm not sure I'd have agreed -- but I do now. Since these people control how we (and by extension, they) are taxed, it's not just reasonable that the public have full knowledge of what their taxes and income look like, it's kind of essential if we're to keep them honest even a *little* bit.

It's like if everyone in the household contributes food to the pantry, and the person who manages the food, inventories it, cooks it and distributes it to the shared table where everyone eats gets to eat alone, where no one can see what's on his plate and how much he's eating for himself.

The household would rightfully be like, "WTF, dude? Why won't you tell us how much you're eating?"

That analogy is probably terrible, but I'm going with it. Hah.
 
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