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(ABC News)   Henrietta Lacks' estate sues company over use of her cells, which are alive and used in medical experiments even though she's been dead for seventy years. No word if Herbert West plans to sue for copyright infringement   (abcnews.go.com) divider line
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2021-10-04 1:41:04 PM  
GOOD.

Make those racist farking vultures PAY.
 
2021-10-04 1:59:45 PM  
If they are clones are they really hers?
 
2021-10-04 2:01:23 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If they are clones are they really hers?


Yes
 
2021-10-04 2:01:39 PM  
Good.
None of her surviving relatives should have to worry about anything money-related ever again.
 
2021-10-04 2:01:46 PM  
FTA: "Johns Hopkins said it never sold or profited from the cell lines"

Yeah, except for the millions upon millions of dollars in government-supplied money for experiments and research that used the HeLa cells.  Other than that, they had nothing to do with it.
 
2021-10-04 2:02:34 PM  
Henrietta Lacks: The Immortal Woman
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2021-10-04 2:11:45 PM  
I am glad to hear this. After reading the book, I was horrified to learn that her family had not seen one cent of compensation, and nearly didn't find out about Henrietta's contributions to science at all.
 
2021-10-04 2:14:04 PM  
That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.
 
2021-10-04 2:15:51 PM  
When I read this story years ago, I said to myself "bet you Oprah makes this movie. Maybe even plays the lead." Wish I had actually bet real money on it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5686132/​

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2021-10-04 2:16:52 PM  
Sweet.

Put me on the jury. I can totally be fair.
 
2021-10-04 2:18:03 PM  

Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.


The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.
 
2021-10-04 2:22:05 PM  

Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.


Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?
 
2021-10-04 2:22:24 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If they are clones are they really hers?


Yeah!  Are the copies, of Star Trek TNG, on BitTorrent really Paramount's?
 
2021-10-04 2:23:14 PM  

Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.


Short answer: no.

Long answer: Well, since the reason the time has lapsed is because they did their best to try to hide the whole thing, and only failed because they didn't see it as immoral at the time (but certainly did when they tried to keep the family in the dark later)? Also, no.
 
2021-10-04 2:24:35 PM  
No ones cells were stolen. No ones ethnicity was exploited to steal cells. That's not how biology works.
 
2021-10-04 2:30:47 PM  

thehobbes: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?


When you check in at a clinic for a medical procedure, that long consent form that they have you sign probably includes a sentence or two in which you agree to assign to the clinic any intellectual property rights to anything they might invent using stuff from your body.
 
2021-10-04 2:32:56 PM  
I'm decidedly sympathetic to Lacks' family. But this lawsuit names ThermoFisher which had exactly nothing to do with the initial harvesting of Lacks' cervical cancer tissue. The lawsuit is a sham and nothing but a cash grab.
 
2021-10-04 2:33:07 PM  
What exactly was she, or her heirs deprived of?
 
2021-10-04 2:34:23 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.

The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.


Could very well be they didn't have the means or knowledge of how to do so. Thgat or maybe no one would take the case?
 
2021-10-04 2:43:25 PM  
I figured she be more pissed about being holed up in that basement all these years...

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2021-10-04 2:46:43 PM  
I think it was one of her daughters who said in an interview that they were all very proud of this ladies contribution to science.
I had to give stool sample once. I'm proud to think that my family can dine out on it for years.
 
2021-10-04 2:47:09 PM  
Destroy the cell line.  Give the family some money.

Problem solved.
 
2021-10-04 2:50:22 PM  

Rereading TekWar: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If they are clones are they really hers?

Yeah!  Are the copies, of Star Trek TNG, on BitTorrent really Paramount's?


Paramount still exists though. Does a copy of Streetgirl still belong to RKO Radio Pictures?
 
2021-10-04 3:00:23 PM  
Will the judge find Lacks has standing, or lacks standing?

- Sofa
 
2021-10-04 3:00:32 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.

The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.


Extremely poor family, who didn't know what rights they had, if any, for a LONG time........I doubt it'll be an issue in this case.
 
2021-10-04 3:06:55 PM  

UberDave: I figured she be more pissed about being holed up in that basement all these years...

[Fark user image image 400x200]


Someone with a fresh soul?
 
2021-10-04 3:07:33 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: What exactly was she, or her heirs deprived of?


Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Do you really think that the racial climate in the 70's would have even allowed them to retain counsel?
 
2021-10-04 3:07:45 PM  

thehobbes: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?


Honestly not sure if research on waste tissue requires consent. Certainly if there is any identification or looking at the medical record to document patient info.
 
2021-10-04 3:08:48 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If they are clones are they really hers?


That's literally the point of clones.
 
2021-10-04 3:14:14 PM  

fiddlehead: thehobbes: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?

Honestly not sure if research on waste tissue requires consent. Certainly if there is any identification or looking at the medical record to document patient info.


It does now, and this case was one of the reasons. Previously it was the wild west and they didn't even necessarily tell people when they collected samples. Now they can collect samples and perform research specific to resolving whatever issue the direct patient has, but if they want to step out of that lane they have to get informed consent that "Yo, we're gonna staple these cells to other cells and shock them with lightning for reasons. That cool with you?"
 
2021-10-04 3:34:25 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.

The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.


This right here.

I agree 110% that the family should be compensated for every single year the cell line has been used, and by anyone who has used it. And the original company doesn't have much of a leg to stand on in defense.

But any civil suit starts running from the date the injured party discovered the injury. I honestly thought this case had been litigated already--the family has written the book and sold the movie rights. They are going to have a very hard time showing they did not know and had no reasonable opportunity to sue in the nearly half century between discovery of the injury and now.
 
2021-10-04 3:37:06 PM  
Always thought it was weird that they would use her cells for research. Yes, I understand needing to have identical cell lines to act as experiments and controls, but her cells were (are) essentially mutants. No other cell line was "immortal" before hers, so why should a treatment based on mutant cells work for "normal" cells?

I recall reading that something like 50 metric tons of HeLa cells have been created, and some labs can no longer be used because they are so contaminated with HeLa cells.

IMHO, it seems like a cash grab by the family. As a compromise, any treatment based on HeLa cells should have "HeLa" as part of the treatment name, or listed prominently in the treatment literature.
 
2021-10-04 3:42:26 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Destroy the cell line.  Give the family some money.

Problem solved.


See that's what made it such a great cell line for everything.  It's immortal.
 
2021-10-04 3:43:07 PM  
Typical Fark.  Black folks wanting to get a bit of the pie and it's labelled 'cash grab'.
 
2021-10-04 3:44:12 PM  
"one of the family's attorneys, Ben Crump, said"

Whelp, that explains much.  Cash-grab shakedown shyster.
 
2021-10-04 3:48:27 PM  

indy_kid: Always thought it was weird that they would use her cells for research. Yes, I understand needing to have identical cell lines to act as experiments and controls, but her cells were (are) essentially mutants. No other cell line was "immortal" before hers, so why should a treatment based on mutant cells work for "normal" cells?

I recall reading that something like 50 metric tons of HeLa cells have been created, and some labs can no longer be used because they are so contaminated with HeLa cells.

IMHO, it seems like a cash grab by the family. As a compromise, any treatment based on HeLa cells should have "HeLa" as part of the treatment name, or listed prominently in the treatment literature.


(That's already being done)
 
2021-10-04 4:06:59 PM  
"The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" is a great book. (The movie, not so much ...) That is all.
 
2021-10-04 4:14:08 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: GOOD.

Make those racist farking vultures PAY.


Of course, those vultures are the only reason those cells are able to be worth anything.
 
2021-10-04 4:15:30 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.

The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.


Pretty sure that suit limitation is tolled until such time as Oprah makes a movie about your legal claim.
 
2021-10-04 4:33:22 PM  

Raoul Eaton: thehobbes: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?

When you check in at a clinic for a medical procedure, that long consent form that they have you sign probably includes a sentence or two in which you agree to assign to the clinic any intellectual property rights to anything they might invent using stuff from your body.


Informed consent laws didn't exist when the original cells were taken.
 
2021-10-04 4:39:28 PM  

indy_kid: Always thought it was weird that they would use her cells for research. Yes, I understand needing to have identical cell lines to act as experiments and controls, but her cells were (are) essentially mutants. No other cell line was "immortal" before hers, so why should a treatment based on mutant cells work for "normal" cells?

I recall reading that something like 50 metric tons of HeLa cells have been created, and some labs can no longer be used because they are so contaminated with HeLa cells.

IMHO, it seems like a cash grab by the family. As a compromise, any treatment based on HeLa cells should have "HeLa" as part of the treatment name, or listed prominently in the treatment literature.


HeLa isn't the only immortal cell line. Jurkat cells came from a kid with Luekemia, IIRC. The benefit of immortal cells is it allows experiments to be replicated on a human cell anywhere on earth with the cell effectively being a controlled environment.
 
2021-10-04 5:54:14 PM  
She is not the only person this has happened to. I was really surprised reading about another case where cells were taken and used without the person's knowledge or permission. That cell line ended up generating over a billion dollars. I always wondered, why not get permission? The person would probably agree. The company could even offer a percentage of the profits. 0.1% would still have given the guy a million dollars, and would be virtually nothing to the company.
 
2021-10-04 6:00:38 PM  

TrashcanMan: AmbassadorBooze: Destroy the cell line.  Give the family some money.

Problem solved.

See that's what made it such a great cell line for everything.  It's immortal.


So fire cant kill the cells?
 
2021-10-04 6:32:05 PM  

BlueVet: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If they are clones are they really hers?

Yes


So, she's alive? Doesn't that change her tax status a bit as well?
 
2021-10-04 6:55:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I agree 110% that the family should be compensated...


freetomato: her family had not seen one cent of compensation...


Compensation
noun
1.
something, typically money, awarded to someone in recognition of loss, suffering, or injury.

They have had no loss, they have not suffered, and they have no injury.  Some cells were removed from a tumor in their grandma (which she did not even want).

This is just a family who have figured if they play the race/consent card and get a dumb jury they can get some cash out of a a totally irrelevant connection to a huge body of valuable medical they did not conduct,
 
2021-10-04 7:01:53 PM  

Dr. Nick Riviera: Yeah, except for the millions upon millions of dollars in government-supplied money for experiments and research that used the HeLa cells.  Other than that, they had nothing to do with it.


So?  You seem to admit they never sold or profited from the cell lines.  Getting government money that one spend's on research and experiments doesn't actually result in one that money going into one's pocket, does it?  That research and experimentation has been used to develop useful medical techniques that have alleviated a lot of death and suffering .  Was that bad?  Should that not have happened?
 
2021-10-04 7:12:31 PM  

flaming bob: Raoul Eaton: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

On the other,
That cell line has led to research that has saved countless lives - from vaccine effects to HPV research.

That being said, Shouldn't the statute of limitations have expired years ago? Civil cases have even shorter durations than criminal - so it seems a bit strange to bring the suit now that basically all witnesses or involved parties will be retired or lost unfortunately.

The family learned of the HeLa cell line by 1975.  I don't think "wait 45 years before suing" will fare well in court.

Extremely poor family, who didn't know what rights they had, if any, for a LONG time........I doubt it'll be an issue in this case.


It will be the first issue, right out of the box.
 
2021-10-04 7:15:12 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Raoul Eaton: thehobbes: Somaticasual: That's a tough one. On one hand, informed consent means that collection should never have happened in the first place - and 100% should not have been further used without her family's permission.

Question: when it comes to medications tested from fetal cell lines or at least parts of them, is their an explicit consent form for the sake of research from the donors?

When you check in at a clinic for a medical procedure, that long consent form that they have you sign probably includes a sentence or two in which you agree to assign to the clinic any intellectual property rights to anything they might invent using stuff from your body.

Informed consent laws didn't exist when the original cells were taken.


That is correct.  I was responding to a question about current procedures.
 
2021-10-04 7:16:57 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise:gar1013: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: GOOD.

Make those racist farking vultures PAY.

Of course, those vultures are the only reason those cells are able to be worth anything.


And were they racist actually?  They wanted some human cell lines they could use to advance medical science.  Is saying "we like your human cells and want to use them to help your fellow humans" racist now?  These cells could have come from anyone, of any race.  The Jerkat line of immortal cells was from a white boy. Were the researchers who took those cells racist?

TrashcanMan: Typical Fark.  Black folks wanting to get a bit of the pie and it's labelled 'cash grab'.


Yeah like that Nirvana naked baby guy.  He's a white guy so Fark totally didn't label his litigation a cash grab.  Oh, wait...
 
2021-10-04 7:25:52 PM  

mehhhhhh: Lamberts Ho Man: What exactly was she, or her heirs deprived of?

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Do you really think that the racial climate in the 70's would have even allowed them to retain counsel?


Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?? Please elaborate.
 
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