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2021-10-04 10:47:57 AM  
Meanwhile, in a nearly perfectly parallel universe:  "Why do scientists mostly experiment on women?  This is an enormous amount of emotional labor and costs would be much lower switching to male subjects."
 
2021-10-04 1:23:43 PM  
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2021-10-04 1:29:21 PM  
BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE KITCHEN THE WHOLE TIME HUEHEUHEUBHNE+OIUHGFWHNU
 
2021-10-04 1:32:34 PM  
so, my old man was on the ethics board for covance in the 1990s... i'm trying to remember what the 'reasoning' was that the company always gave to the board.

/it was dopey is all i remember atm
//never forget atm
///wash yo ass
 
2021-10-04 1:57:33 PM  
Real world testing is only as good as the experiment setup

/many researchers are not as good at statistics as you would think. I have worked for PHDs who made their living doing research and just relied on mean and standard deviation for all kinds of complex experiments.
 
2021-10-04 2:13:02 PM  
Male and female have no meaning, they're just social constructs. Blue haired anime fan out front should have told ya.
 
2021-10-04 2:17:16 PM  
Women are more than 50% of the population
 
2021-10-04 2:38:09 PM  
The real reason is a lot of researchers are lazy and sample sizes are to small to properly account for sex/gender. Most major funders now specifically request a sex/gender analysis plan or justification to not include. I think single gender studies generally are going to go down. But some will persist because integrating new.complexiry is harder than doing the same thing bargain, and science is already crazy hard. People don't want to make their lives more difficult than needed.

We always recruit both, often get gender biases based on disorder prevalence, and look at sex as a covariance and interaction.  But that's a privilege of having access to funds and larger samples.
 
2021-10-04 2:39:56 PM  
Guys are more likely to answer those medical experiment ads because we're farkin crazy
 
2021-10-04 2:47:00 PM  

redsquid: Male and female have no meaning, they're just social constructs. Blue haired anime fan out front should have told ya.


Poor transphobe. It must be so difficult, always worrying that the person you want to masturbate to is making you gay.
 
2021-10-04 2:58:50 PM  

JessieL: redsquid: Male and female have no meaning, they're just social constructs. Blue haired anime fan out front should have told ya.

Poor transphobe. It must be so difficult, always worrying that the person you want to masturbate to is making you gay.


Thats seems an unwarranted response to the comment above, unless there's a history here im not aware of? I read it as more a commentary on gender ambiguity of anime than anything else.
 
2021-10-04 3:03:06 PM  

chawco: JessieL: redsquid: Male and female have no meaning, they're just social constructs. Blue haired anime fan out front should have told ya.

Poor transphobe. It must be so difficult, always worrying that the person you want to masturbate to is making you gay.

Thats seems an unwarranted response to the comment above, unless there's a history here im not aware of? I read it as more a commentary on gender ambiguity of anime than anything else.


There's a history you're not aware of.
 
2021-10-04 3:16:12 PM  
I always thought it had to do with potential impacts to future children. Sperm are continually created/replaced, whereas eggs are created in-utero and never replaced. A drug that damages sex cells would be much more impactful to women who might consider having children later.
 
2021-10-04 3:22:27 PM  
Expendability. Don't ever doubt that fact. Men are still taught, depressingly enough, that they are expendable and nobody (except hopefully their family) gives a shiat if they live or die. This does not change until you prove your worth in some manner.

Also, it's like Missing White Girl (MWG) syndrome. A ridiculous number of adult men go missing / commit suicide / are murdered every year, and nobody gives a shiat except for (maybe) their families. Don't get me started if it's a minority male, they get even less attention.

Although at least white men get attention for medication and the like, even if they're expendable.
 
2021-10-04 3:26:23 PM  
As a gender we men are quite willing to sell our blood for money. We will also jerk off into a jar for money.

I think this more a measure of who is most willing to do weird stuff for small amounts of money.
 
2021-10-04 3:50:13 PM  

inglixthemad: Expendability. Don't ever doubt that fact. Men are still taught, depressingly enough, that they are expendable and nobody (except hopefully their family) gives a shiat if they live or die. This does not change until you prove your worth in some manner.

Also, it's like Missing White Girl (MWG) syndrome. A ridiculous number of adult men go missing / commit suicide / are murdered every year, and nobody gives a shiat except for (maybe) their families. Don't get me started if it's a minority male, they get even less attention.

Although at least white men get attention for medication and the like, even if they're expendable.


Men are expected to die for their countries to save the precious, weak, helpless womenfolk. Because babies.

It's an archaic, paternalistic, and sexist framework and it needs to go away. Too bad even here on Fark you'll find plenty of people arguing women should be in combat, because babies.
 
2021-10-04 3:50:45 PM  
Shouldn't be. Thanks, phone.
 
2021-10-04 3:53:32 PM  
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2021-10-04 3:54:38 PM  

JessieL: chawco: JessieL: redsquid: Male and female have no meaning, they're just social constructs. Blue haired anime fan out front should have told ya.

Poor transphobe. It must be so difficult, always worrying that the person you want to masturbate to is making you gay.

Thats seems an unwarranted response to the comment above, unless there's a history here im not aware of? I read it as more a commentary on gender ambiguity of anime than anything else.

There's a history you're not aware of.


Well then, i apologise for sticking my nose in it. fark those peeps (the transphobes I mean), its so stupid that people get so upset over who other people are.
 
2021-10-04 3:58:38 PM  
I mean... the fact that any woman sane and rational enough to consider the merits of signing up for a clinical trial in social benefit terms is almost certainly on chemical birth control of one kind or another, would be the major practical issue.  Subjects that are already on at least one form of long-term medication (even worse, one of several dramatically different forms of long-term medication) are a couple solid bricks thrown through the window of your data set in the case of drug trials.

Like... sure, there are some social pressures involved and such, and some of it's that women in the US (where a disproportionate amount of medical research happens, something that is in itself a problem with the broader data set) are just more reliably taken care of than men and offered a substantially higher floor of financial security automatically.  But mostly it's just that when you're signing up for a drug trial, one of the questions that'll get you put at the bottom of the list is "are you already on other medications", and for like 80% of first-world women that's a "yes" and for the vast majority of men it's a "no".

I'm not saying that people shouldn't make an effort to work around this, and most researchers do... but you have to recognize that when you can get a "clean" sample group from one population without any effort from one group and have to work your ass off and spend loads of extra time and money to find a clean group from another population, and there's probably not gonna be any difference because of what your drug actually does... the selection pressure there is overwhelming because people have time constraints and budgets they have to work within.

// The gap's much smaller in non-drug medical studies, like very noticeably there's not as large a difference between male and female trial groups for, y'know, hip replacements and stints and such.

// Don't take the above as minimizing the issue; this (the gender gap in the data set) is a very real issue.  I'm just trying to address TFA's absolutely moronic implication that this is some sort of bias that researchers are implementing because they want to, or are sexist or some shiat.  This isn't a farking SJW "shake a finger at the bad man with his eeeeeevil Y chromosome" problem, this is an actual problem problem, that's a problem for actual practical reasons that can't be made to vanish by making everyone read The Feminine Mystique in Chemistry class.  "Oblivious", go fark yourself, you useless journalism major leech on society, go get a farking job that ever contributes anything positive to society with the rest of your farking trust fund before being a biatch at the people actually working to make the world better.
 
2021-10-04 4:08:33 PM  

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How many of those were stubborn and kept telling the wife she was wrong?
 
2021-10-04 4:10:49 PM  
I suspect part of it might just be hormonal factors, are the results going to be skewed when a woman has her period, if she is pre/post menopausal, had a hysterotomy, etc, etc.  Also, don't know a lot of women who would sign up for stuff like that.

That being said, it does piss me off.  It also makes me mad that the doctor will prescribe the same dose of meds for a 250 lb, 6 foot man as they do for a 5 foot woman who weighs 100 lbs.  WTF

And I am beyond aggravated by car seats that don't work well for short people, tools for big manly hands, etc.
 
2021-10-04 7:50:03 PM  

chawco: The real reason is a lot of researchers are lazy and sample sizes are to small to properly account for sex/gender. Most major funders now specifically request a sex/gender analysis plan or justification to not include. I think single gender studies generally are going to go down. But some will persist because integrating new.complexiry is harder than doing the same thing bargain, and science is already crazy hard. People don't want to make their lives more difficult than needed.

We always recruit both, often get gender biases based on disorder prevalence, and look at sex as a covariance and interaction.  But that's a privilege of having access to funds and larger samples.


The really bad monetary study bias is race based. Systemically, there are more rich white people than rich black people. When rich people give money to medical studies or programs it is usually focused on something that impacted or killed a family member. The conclusion is obvious.
 
2021-10-04 10:01:22 PM  

Jim_Callahan: But mostly it's just that when you're signing up for a drug trial, one of the questions that'll get you put at the bottom of the list is "are you already on other medications", and for like 80% of first-world women that's a "yes" and for the vast majority of men it's a "no".


Yeah, I got rejected for a COVID-19 vaccine trial, because I'm on two blood pressure meds, a reflux med and an antidepressant.  Being almost 70 didn't help, but they were very nice about it.
 
2021-10-05 1:21:13 AM  

inglixthemad: Also, it's like Missing White Girl (MWG) syndrome. A ridiculous number of adult men go missing / commit suicide / are murdered every year, and nobody gives a shiat except for (maybe) their families.


Middle aged men have the highest suicide rate of all demographics and nobody gives a shiat.  A lot of people probably think it's a laugh riot.
 
2021-10-05 1:22:37 AM  

baron von doodle: The conclusion is obvious.


The obvious conclusion is people will donate for something that has personally impacted their lives.
 
2021-10-05 1:06:18 PM  

OgreMagi: inglixthemad: Also, it's like Missing White Girl (MWG) syndrome. A ridiculous number of adult men go missing / commit suicide / are murdered every year, and nobody gives a shiat except for (maybe) their families.

Middle aged men have the highest suicide rate of all demographics and nobody gives a shiat.  A lot of people probably think it's a laugh riot.



suicidepreventionlifeline.org
www.veteranscrisisline.net
www.imalive.org
crisistextline.org
www.samaritansusa.org

Plenty of people give a shiat.

The biggest obstacle to preventing suicide in middle aged men is toxic masculinity telling middle aged men that asking for help is failure and all their problems have to be handled stoically and alone.

But if you bring up toxic masculinity, you'll get a chorus of idiots demanding to know why you hate men.
 
2021-10-05 2:47:36 PM  

JessieL: Plenty of people give a shiat.


Not really, nobody really cares. Toxic masculinity doesn't cause society to sit on their thumbs while it's happening, glossing over it with a pittance of money. Feminists start screaming MISOGINEEZ, and it's all hands on deck crisis with the news media losing their shiat especially if it affects white girls. Keep in mind women commit suicide between 1/3 to 1/4 the rate of men.

Take your toxic femininity, and your female privilege, fold'em until they're all corners, and stuff them into an oubliette.
 
2021-10-05 3:44:43 PM  

inglixthemad: JessieL: Plenty of people give a shiat.

Not really, nobody really cares. Toxic masculinity doesn't cause society to sit on their thumbs while it's happening, glossing over it with a pittance of money. Feminists start screaming MISOGINEEZ, and it's all hands on deck crisis with the news media losing their shiat especially if it affects white girls. Keep in mind women commit suicide between 1/3 to 1/4 the rate of men.

Take your toxic femininity, and your female privilege, fold'em until they're all corners, and stuff them into an oubliette.


You covered what needed to be said. I'll add, those services only handle middle aged men as an afterthought.  All the public service messages and all the help group advertising is targeted at everyone except the people who need it the most, middle aged men.

I read some outrage by a women's group.  "OMG, a third of all suicides is a woman.  That's misogyny!".
 
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