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2021-10-04 3:15:04 AM  
Article from three years ago and shiat's even worse now. Seems like it's a done deal.
 
2021-10-04 3:21:50 AM  
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Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.
 
2021-10-04 3:27:46 AM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.


That's what you get after 40 years of slashing education budgets: people too stupid to even avoid getting a disease
 
2021-10-04 3:33:52 AM  
 
2021-10-04 3:40:57 AM  

whither_apophis: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

That's what you get after 40 years of slashing education budgets: people too stupid to even avoid getting a disease


Short copyright terms stimulate education and the economic prosperity of the poor.

They also build culture and peer review reality.

Long copyright terms are artificial titles of nobility. The Kremlin uses the money they bleed out of everyone else to bully lawmakers.
 
2021-10-04 3:43:32 AM  
Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
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2021-10-04 3:43:48 AM  
Russian propaganda in the lead up to the 2016 was more effective than ever precisely because decades of the GQP's propaganda had already done much of the groundwork.

That GQP propaganda  works so well precisely because US corporate media and the hapless Dems have normalized it or ignored it in that time and allowed it to grow unchecked.

Short of North Korea, America is the most brainwashed country on earth.
 
2021-10-04 3:51:37 AM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.


For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.


(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun
 
2021-10-04 4:04:49 AM  
The solution is right there in TFA:

"When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that."
 
2021-10-04 4:06:47 AM  

bughunter: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun


Uh huh. I like these thirty-years-out plans from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Not that I doubt the willingness of the Soviet to try it, or to come up with the kind of ideologically rigid mindset that could conceive it in the first place.

But pray tell, did Mr. Berenzov ever provide evidence that any of this has ever worked? Anywhere? Or is it simply more of the lysenkoism for which Russians are justly famous?
 
2021-10-04 4:09:07 AM  
what horse shiat.
 
2021-10-04 4:40:45 AM  
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2021-10-04 4:42:28 AM  
The Russians didn't have anything to do with that.

Rupert Murdoch did.
 
2021-10-04 4:53:53 AM  

FatherChaos: What about Deep Anal?


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2021-10-04 5:13:50 AM  
Tell me something I didn't know.

Actually, what the article skipped is that the whole demoralization thing is all too easy. All you have to do is to look for natural divisions and nudge them. Others will do most of the work for you. The racism already existed, just nudge it some. North South dived? Nudge it. Rural Urban? Nudge nudge nudge.

Of course the data mining of Facebook made it easier because people's pre-existing predilection (prejudices) were mined out of those cute little psych-profiling tests. Rate yourself on the liberal to conservative, libertarian to authoritarian. Yup, if you took part in those tests to create your personal profile you were feeding data to people who want to manipulate your built in biases and nudge you, nudge you, nudge you.

Of course not you. You are impervious to such things. But all those other people who aren't as well grounded and rational as you. THOSE PEOPLE get manipulated. Of course not you.
 
2021-10-04 5:26:58 AM  

wademh: Tell me something I didn't know.

Actually, what the article skipped is that the whole demoralization thing is all too easy. All you have to do is to look for natural divisions and nudge them. Others will do most of the work for you. The racism already existed, just nudge it some. North South dived? Nudge it. Rural Urban? Nudge nudge nudge.

Of course the data mining of Facebook made it easier because people's pre-existing predilection (prejudices) were mined out of those cute little psych-profiling tests. Rate yourself on the liberal to conservative, libertarian to authoritarian. Yup, if you took part in those tests to create your personal profile you were feeding data to people who want to manipulate your built in biases and nudge you, nudge you, nudge you.

Of course not you. You are impervious to such things. But all those other people who aren't as well grounded and rational as you. THOSE PEOPLE get manipulated. Of course not you.


I tried to explain the application of bias to a work colleague who is anti Islamic/nationalistic bias.
I said, read the same news articles on the same event from the following sources:
BBC, Reuters, Al-Jazeera and RT.
Anything they all agree on is probably based in fact, anything they diverge on is spin and bias.
He looked at me like I was mad.
 
2021-10-04 6:05:05 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
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You know Squid Games is only popular because it tells the story of our lives. "voluntary" submission to the games of the ultra wealthy, and if you "choose" not to play then you'll die of destitution anyway. And, if you prioritize yourself and screw over you closest friends and co workers, you too could "win" and be wealthy.

I mean. That's it. The popularity comes from what the show has to say about the late stage capitalist system we find ourselves in.

You shouldn't be mad people are watching. The ideas in this media resonate so deeply across the world because of issues like what you have identified.
 
2021-10-04 6:34:25 AM  
Oh look it's the farking Bezmenov stupid shiat someone posts every few months. In the future some assholes will be posting this dumb assholes screeds talking about N. Korean defectors warned us.

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2021-10-04 6:44:15 AM  
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Hang on, you mean that 8 GOP senators attending a meeting in Moscow on July 4 2018 wasn't just a hapless, tone-deaf stunt, but could actually be proof that, at best, the GOP is deeply compromised and Vlad has them by the shorthairs or, at worst, the GOP is knowingly working with and facilitating the subversion of American democracy by Russian mafia oligarchs?

Which leads me to then ask, why aren't the Dems repeating this every day, all day?

/Don't particularly like what Occam seems to be saying on both counts.
 
2021-10-04 6:46:32 AM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.


Disney will never let go of The Mouse.
 
2021-10-04 6:52:55 AM  

crackizzle: Purple_Urkle: Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
[Fark user image image 220x124]

You know Squid Games is only popular because it tells the story of our lives. "voluntary" submission to the games of the ultra wealthy, and if you "choose" not to play then you'll die of destitution anyway. And, if you prioritize yourself and screw over you closest friends and co workers, you too could "win" and be wealthy.

I mean. That's it. The popularity comes from what the show has to say about the late stage capitalist system we find ourselves in.

You shouldn't be mad people are watching. The ideas in this media resonate so deeply across the world because of issues like what you have identified.


It's just a remake of Battle Royale.
 
2021-10-04 6:57:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: crackizzle: Purple_Urkle: Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
[Fark user image image 220x124]

You know Squid Games is only popular because it tells the story of our lives. "voluntary" submission to the games of the ultra wealthy, and if you "choose" not to play then you'll die of destitution anyway. And, if you prioritize yourself and screw over you closest friends and co workers, you too could "win" and be wealthy.

I mean. That's it. The popularity comes from what the show has to say about the late stage capitalist system we find ourselves in.

You shouldn't be mad people are watching. The ideas in this media resonate so deeply across the world because of issues like what you have identified.

It's just a remake of Battle Royale.


I haven't watched Squid Games yet, but Battle Royale was the first thing I thought of when it was announced.  Still very curious to see it though.
 
2021-10-04 7:00:45 AM  
2008: "Gosh, the Kremlin's propaganda about Southern Ossetia and Abkhazia is right out of Stalin's playbook."
     "LOL! STFU! You're stupid! What do you know?!"

2014: "Gosh, the Kremlin's propaganda about Ukraine is right out of Stalin's playbook."
        "LOL! STFU! You're stupid! What do you know?!"

2016: "Gosh, the Kremlin's propaganda about Trump is right out of Stalin's playbook."
        "LOL! STFU! You're stupid! What do you know?!"

2020: "Gosh, the Kremlin's propaganda about Trump is still right out of Stalin's playbook."
        "LOL! STFU! You're stupid! What do you know?!"

Me, bitter?  LOL! STFU! You're stupid! What do you know?!
 
2021-10-04 7:08:38 AM  
Let's see.

Call the demarcation year 2020. So 15-20 years ago would have been...2000. What was happening in 2000 that could have been the start of the "demoralization" of America? Disregard the political atmosphere; what was happening socially that might have been the "demoralization" the KGB officer was talking about?

Beginning in 2015, the "destabilization" would have begun. According to Bezmenov, the structural elements of the nation would have been attacked and not resisted by the "demoralized" population: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. What was happening politically and economically in America beginning in 2015 that might have qualified for "destabilization"?

"Crisis" would take, according to Bezmenov, six weeks. A violent change of "power, structure, and economy." For instance, the six weeks (closer to eight) between the 2020 election and Jan 6 that sent America into a state of ongoing internal civil war. And finally "normalization" as everyone accepts this is just how its going to be from here on out.

I dunno...it sounds like what we're living in now to me.
 
2021-10-04 7:36:08 AM  

54n71460: The solution is right there in TFA:

"When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that."


It's interesting -- because in yesterday's thread on Steve Bannon's ongoing sedition, there was a comparison to the Nazis (obviously) who claimed after WW2 that, roughly paraphrased, "if any of our opponents knew how weak we were, and what we were up to, they would have smashed us when the could"

Like a boot crushing their nuts.
 
2021-10-04 7:42:15 AM  

Space Banana Physicist: bughunter: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun

Uh huh. I like these thirty-years-out plans from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Not that I doubt the willingness of the Soviet to try it, or to come up with the kind of ideologically rigid mindset that could conceive it in the first place.

But pray tell, did Mr. Berenzov ever provide evidence that any of this has ever worked? Anywhere? Or is it simply more of the lysenkoism for which Russians are justly famous?


You get the feeling that he was bragging  -- but these same hippies that he says were infected with Marxist/Leinster ideology, as evidenced by their liberalism, became famous for moving onto Wall St, professional schools, etc, and eventually some moved on to rigid right wing ideology from Fox, while others remain bastions of liberalism.

Point is, it's a grand, overreaching monolithic characterization of 50 million Americans.

I would have an easier time believing that Robert Murdoch has been a Russian asset all these years -- he was quite the Baby Boomer with an authentic Marxist/Leninst Fan-Boy pedigree at Oxford.
 
2021-10-04 7:48:02 AM  

RasIanI: Space Banana Physicist: bughunter: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun

Uh huh. I like these thirty-years-out plans from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Not that I doubt the willingness of the Soviet to try it, or to come up with the kind of ideologically rigid mindset that could conceive it in the first place.

But pray tell, did Mr. Berenzov ever provide evidence that any of this has ever worked? Anywhere? Or is it simply more of the lysenkoism for which Russians are justly famous?

You get the feeling that he was bragging  -- but these same hippies that he says were infected with Marxist/Leinster ideology, as evidenced by their liberalism, became famous for moving onto Wall St, professional schools, etc, and eventually some moved on to rigid right wing ideology from Fox, while others remain bastions of liberalism.

Point is, it's a grand, overreaching monolithic characterization of 50 million Americans.

I would have an easier time believing that Robert Murdoch has been a Russian asset all these years -- he was quite the Baby Boomer with an authentic Marxist/Leninst Fan-Boy pedigree at Oxford.


Rupert Murdoch is just an Aussie shiate with his own agenda to keep government out of his business.
Robert Maxwell stole the pension fund from his own workforce and then disappeared in a "tragic" yachting accident.
 
2021-10-04 7:54:53 AM  

Ishkur: The Russians didn't have anything to do with that.

Rupert Murdoch did.


It's funny -- because Robert Murdoch fits his description of a "boomer with Marxist/Leninist ideology" who assumed institutional power in the West. Creepy coincidence.
 
2021-10-04 7:58:13 AM  

Gpzjock: RasIanI: Space Banana Physicist: bughunter: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun

Uh huh. I like these thirty-years-out plans from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Not that I doubt the willingness of the Soviet to try it, or to come up with the kind of ideologically rigid mindset that could conceive it in the first place.

But pray tell, did Mr. Berenzov ever provide evidence that any of this has ever worked? Anywhere? Or is it simply more of the lysenkoism for which Russians are justly famous?

You get the feeling that he was bragging  -- but these same hippies that he says were infected with Marxist/Leinster ideology, as evidenced by their liberalism, became famous for moving onto Wall St, professional schools, etc, and eventually some moved on to rigid right wing ideology from Fox, while others remain bastions of liberalism.

Point is, it's a grand, overreaching monolithic characterization of 50 million Americans.

I would have an easier time believing that Robert Murdoch has been a Russian asset all these years -- he was quite the Baby Boomer with an authentic Marxist/Leninst Fan-Boy pedigree at Oxford.

Rupert Murdoch is just an Aussie shiate with his own agenda to keep government out of his business.
Robert Maxwell stole the pension fund from his own workforce and then disappeared in a "tragic" yachting accident.


I'm sure -- I'm just saying that Murdoch actually fits the profile of what this guy was describing in 1984.
 
2021-10-04 8:18:36 AM  
Every accusation is a confession.

I first heard of Bezmenov when his testimony was cited by a Redcap conspiracy theory, in which the Jew-Bolsheviks were allegedly following the strategy he outlines to undermine American institutions.
 
2021-10-04 8:38:30 AM  
Bullshirt.

Anyone paying attention could see where this was headed in the 80s, with conservative union busting and successful assailing of education. Follow that with conservative cable news, bacause the reality being broadcast by the mainstream sources hurt their feefees ...

Russia had nothing to do with this. We did and allowed this ourselves.

Prosperity gospel, anyone?
 
2021-10-04 8:40:31 AM  

vrax: Tyrone Slothrop: crackizzle: Purple_Urkle: Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
[Fark user image image 220x124]

You know Squid Games is only popular because it tells the story of our lives. "voluntary" submission to the games of the ultra wealthy, and if you "choose" not to play then you'll die of destitution anyway. And, if you prioritize yourself and screw over you closest friends and co workers, you too could "win" and be wealthy.

I mean. That's it. The popularity comes from what the show has to say about the late stage capitalist system we find ourselves in.

You shouldn't be mad people are watching. The ideas in this media resonate so deeply across the world because of issues like what you have identified.

It's just a remake of Battle Royale.

I haven't watched Squid Games yet, but Battle Royale was the first thing I thought of when it was announced.  Still very curious to see it though.


there's also an SK-cinema-level air of The Prisoner to it, which was fun.
 
2021-10-04 9:20:20 AM  

Samfucious: Bullshirt.

Anyone paying attention could see where this was headed in the 80s, with conservative union busting and successful assailing of education. Follow that with conservative cable news, bacause the reality being broadcast by the mainstream sources hurt their feefees ...

Russia had nothing to do with this. We did and allowed this ourselves.

Prosperity gospel, anyone?


Seriously.
Why. Not. Both.

It all comes down to $$. Who has it. Who and how they manipulate to keep it. How they keep the rest of us working for them, indirectly, to further their hoard. Sure, every generation or so, some new person comes along with a different, and successful, idea how to make enough to join the rest if the oligarchs.

We are workers. We are ants. They convince us we are free. We live, we die, all while we produce more for them, than for ourselves and each other. We believe our freedom is 'the best freedom' because that is our normal. And we are all too selfish, and stuck in our individual means, to admit our normal is all bullshiat.

Ok. I need more coffee. Im starting to go all Quellist already this morning.

Leaving with: Just maybe that period you're taling about was misrepresented. Maybe premillennial constitutional democracy wasn't the failure the people who write the history books would like us to believe. Maybe they just murdered it, took it away from us, and lied to our children about it.
 
2021-10-04 9:22:10 AM  
whats funny is i see this frequently posted by the supposed 'intellectuals' of the conservative movement as an explanation of why theyre against everything liberal/progressive.  they watch this exact same interview and claim that leftist colleges are still brainwashing kids with propaganda and only by shifting the country into a fascist regime can we prevent the commies from winning...or something.
 
2021-10-04 9:28:51 AM  
When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand.

Some people pay extra for that.
 
2021-10-04 9:31:26 AM  

Gpzjock: I tried to explain the application of bias to a work colleague who is anti Islamic/nationalistic bias.
I said, read the same news articles on the same event from the following sources:
BBC, Reuters, Al-Jazeera and RT.
Anything they all agree on is probably based in fact, anything they diverge on is spin and bias.


That essentially puts your sources on equal footing, which absolutely is not true if one of your sources is RT. "I won't accept it as fact unless Russia Today agrees" would be a terrible approach to identifying what's really happening.
 
2021-10-04 9:37:36 AM  
Interestingly, the interviewee seemed to think America would be seduced by Marxist-Lennism rather than fascism painted as freedom.
 
2021-10-04 9:41:15 AM  

patrick767: Gpzjock: I tried to explain the application of bias to a work colleague who is anti Islamic/nationalistic bias.
I said, read the same news articles on the same event from the following sources:
BBC, Reuters, Al-Jazeera and RT.
Anything they all agree on is probably based in fact, anything they diverge on is spin and bias.

That essentially puts your sources on equal footing, which absolutely is not true if one of your sources is RT. "I won't accept it as fact unless Russia Today agrees" would be a terrible approach to identifying what's really happening.


I disagree, it just gives a broader sptrum of shiate.
That particular knobhead wouldn't believe a word from any of them unless the Daily Mail or Express agreed. So I added all 4 for shock value. The point being that he will see all of them as biased.
 
2021-10-04 9:41:37 AM  

Gpzjock: patrick767: Gpzjock: I tried to explain the application of bias to a work colleague who is anti Islamic/nationalistic bias.
I said, read the same news articles on the same event from the following sources:
BBC, Reuters, Al-Jazeera and RT.
Anything they all agree on is probably based in fact, anything they diverge on is spin and bias.

That essentially puts your sources on equal footing, which absolutely is not true if one of your sources is RT. "I won't accept it as fact unless Russia Today agrees" would be a terrible approach to identifying what's really happening.

I disagree, it just gives a broader sptrum of shiate.
That particular knobhead wouldn't believe a word from any of them unless the Daily Mail or Express agreed. So I added all 4 for shock value. The point being that he will see all of them as biased.


*spectrum
 
2021-10-04 10:18:01 AM  
You mean David Nobel, the whack job Christian preacher was right about pop music, homosexuality, AIDS, and secular humanism which were all plots by International Communism to brainwash our youths and destroy the country?

1965
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A​.​_Noebel
 
2021-10-04 10:37:39 AM  
Or maybe, just maybe, authoritarians everywhere are working out of the same old playbook. Because it still works.
 
2021-10-04 12:23:48 PM  
It's almost like marketing is a method and not at all new.

DNRTFA
 
2021-10-04 2:04:35 PM  

tintar: vrax: Tyrone Slothrop: crackizzle: Purple_Urkle: Additionally titillating media blinds the nation with distraction.

The pandora papers should've been a legendary thread.

Everyone is off watching Squid Games.
[Fark user image image 220x124]

You know Squid Games is only popular because it tells the story of our lives. "voluntary" submission to the games of the ultra wealthy, and if you "choose" not to play then you'll die of destitution anyway. And, if you prioritize yourself and screw over you closest friends and co workers, you too could "win" and be wealthy.

I mean. That's it. The popularity comes from what the show has to say about the late stage capitalist system we find ourselves in.

You shouldn't be mad people are watching. The ideas in this media resonate so deeply across the world because of issues like what you have identified.

It's just a remake of Battle Royale.

I haven't watched Squid Games yet, but Battle Royale was the first thing I thought of when it was announced.  Still very curious to see it though.

there's also an SK-cinema-level air of The Prisoner to it, which was fun.


Well, I adore The Prisoner, so I guess I really am gonna have to give it a go.
 
2021-10-04 4:48:14 PM  
It's hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.

Oh please.  How the f*ck have the Democrats and the progressives who caucus with them fallen victim to this?

It's ONE side doing it. ONE SIDE being stupid.
 
2021-10-04 9:46:52 PM  

Space Banana Physicist: bughunter: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x191]
Long copyright terms are a threat to national continuity.

For those who won't RTFA, it gets betterworse:

Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

(bolding mine)

The "two-to-five year" period being TFG's administration.

I'd say we dodged a bullet.

/but we're up against a machine gun

Uh huh. I like these thirty-years-out plans from the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Not that I doubt the willingness of the Soviet to try it, or to come up with the kind of ideologically rigid mindset that could conceive it in the first place.

But pray tell, did Mr. Berenzov ever provide evidence that any of this has ever worked? Anywhere? Or is it simply more of the lysenkoism for which Russians are justly famous?


I have a gut reaction to agree; "fark this sneaky farking Russian" - Snatch

But if you think in historical terms this was damn near 40 years ago.  This was the rough draft perhaps, but it didn't pan out that way.  Democrats like Walter Mondale, who he names specifically, never pushed full scale communism/socialism on the nation, nor did they likely want to (maybe just socialist reforms, which to many reactionary twats that love a good Fox chyron believe in, but that's some dumbass thinkin'.  Most just want to, say, hold bankers accountable for crashing an economy and for polluters the same for poisoning rivers and water sources, I digress) so they had to pivot.

When the shiat he says about homosexuals ruling and everyone dying at the hands of Soviet's; well that fear based horseshiat works much better on the right wing of American politics.  Then you throw in the absolutely corruptibility of so many politicians and say hacking their RNC database for kompromat, but never releasing it to the public wholesale like you do after hacking the DNC?  Well next thing you know you have 8 Republican congress traitors in Russia over the 4th of July and two and a half years later you have absolute morons storming the Capitol building using "force" as this KGB fark alluded to.  Funny, that.
 
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